Obama keeps stepping in it

slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
His latest ad criticizes McCain for not being able to use a computer or answer his own email. Obviously, they are trying to paint him as a doddering old man.

I think this one might backfire, though.

You know why McCain can't use a computer? Because he was beaten mercilessly by the Viet Cong and can't lift his arms.

It mentions it in this 2000 Boston Globe article: http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml

Jesus, you'd think if Obama's people were so computer-savvy, they would learn how to work Google. This is going to make them look pretty bad, I think, basically making fun of a crippled war vet.

Next, Joe Biden will go around telling guys in wheelchairs they need to stand up. Oh wait, that already happened, too ...

Anyway, as I've mentioned elsewhere, this election is still Obama's to lose. He just seems to be going out of his way to lose it.
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  • catch22catch22 Posts: 1,081
    His latest ad criticizes McCain for not being able to use a computer or answer his own email. Obviously, they are trying to paint him as a doddering old man.

    I think this one might backfire, though.

    You know why McCain can't use a computer? Because he was beaten mercilessly by the Viet Cong and can't lift his arms.

    It mentions it in this 2000 Boston Globe article: http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml

    Jesus, you'd think if Obama's people were so computer-savvy, they would learn how to work Google. This is going to make them look pretty bad, I think, basically making fun of a crippled war vet.

    Next, Joe Biden will go around telling guys in wheelchairs they need to stand up. Oh wait, that already happened, too ...

    Anyway, as I've mentioned elsewhere, this election is still Obama's to lose. He just seems to be going out of his way to lose it.

    eh, people aren't going to be aware of mccain's arm difficulties. in this sense, it's as effective as mccain's ads about the lipstick or sex ed. complete disinformation, but nobody in this country cares to find out if the claims are true or not.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • His latest ad criticizes McCain for not being able to use a computer or answer his own email. Obviously, they are trying to paint him as a doddering old man.

    I think this one might backfire, though.

    You know why McCain can't use a computer? Because he was beaten mercilessly by the Viet Cong and can't lift his arms.

    It mentions it in this 2000 Boston Globe article: http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml

    Jesus, you'd think if Obama's people were so computer-savvy, they would learn how to work Google. This is going to make them look pretty bad, I think, basically making fun of a crippled war vet.

    Next, Joe Biden will go around telling guys in wheelchairs they need to stand up. Oh wait, that already happened, too ...

    Anyway, as I've mentioned elsewhere, this election is still Obama's to lose. He just seems to be going out of his way to lose it.

    Come on now, Stephen Hawkings uses a computer, and he can't even speak! I'm just saying that they make computers for people with physical disabilities, and he has obviously chosen not to adapt with technology.

    Does this disqualify him from being president? No, not at all. I do think it demonstrates his age quite effectively though. He's definitely part of the pre-computer generation.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    I found this intersting ...

    "The McCains were deeply and personally offended by Bush's visit to Bob Jones University, which bans interracial dating, and by rumors about their ''black child.'' On a relief mission to Bangladesh in 1991, Cindy McCain claimed an orphan who was so severely disfigured by a cleft lip and palate that she was unable to eat. She brought 2-month-old Bridget home to Phoenix, where the McCains adopted the baby and nursed her through a dozen operations."


    Kind of intersting that the same people that festered that rumor are now running the McCain campaign.

    Was the ad silly ... yes ... but you know, it just highlighted this ...


    "It's easy for me to go to Washington," said the Senator, "and frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have."

    ---John McCain 9/11/08
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  • McCain is forcing Obama to play this game. His attacks the last few weeks have been baseless and out and out lies.

    So I don't blame Obama one bit for fighting back.

    He can't institute any change in Washington if he doesn't win the friggin election.
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  • Come on now, Stephen Hawkings uses a computer, and he can't even speak! I'm just saying that they make computers for people with physical disabilities, and he has obviously chosen not to adapt with technology.

    Does this disqualify him from being president? No, not at all. I do think it demonstrates his age quite effectively though. He's definitely part of the pre-computer generation.

    Maybe the ad should say "John McCain has obviously never heard of a laptop!" ;) That's the first thing I thought of.

    If the McCain people choose to play this up, I think they could make Obama look pretty foolish.

    Of course, you have to pick your spots with playing the victim, and they might have already blown their wad with the "lipstick on a pig thing."

    They'd be better off, perhaps, having surrogates beat the drum of "Obama is making fun of McCain's war injuries."

    Coupled with the perceived "lipstick" slight, I think it could have a devastating effect on Obama, if played correctly.
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  • Come on now, Stephen Hawkings uses a computer, and he can't even speak! I'm just saying that they make computers for people with physical disabilities, and he has obviously chosen not to adapt with technology.

    Does this disqualify him from being president? No, not at all. I do think it demonstrates his age quite effectively though. He's definitely part of the pre-computer generation.


    I totally agree..

    Even he himself today on the View discussed his lack of computer savvy and did not mention his inablility due to his war injuries. He understands how essential it is.

    The ad is effective.
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  • McCain is forcing Obama to play this game. His attacks the last few weeks have been baseless and out and out lies.

    So I don't blame Obama one bit for fighting back.

    He can't institute any change in Washington if he doesn't win the friggin election.

    McCain doesn't corner the market on "out and out lies."

    Almost everything the Obama campaign has floated about Sarah Palin has been dishonest.

    It's almost like two kids fighting on the playground ... "He started it. No, he started it."

    Politics as usual, I guess.
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  • I totally agree..

    Even he himself today on the View discussed his lack of computer savvy and did not mention his inablility due to his war injuries. He understands how essential it is.

    The ad is effective.

    Until McCain puts out an ad saying, "I don't use a computer because the Viet Cong beat me to within an inch of my life while Obama was hanging out in Kenya or where ever."

    Just sayin' ...
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  • McCain doesn't corner the market on "out and out lies."

    Almost everything the Obama campaign has floated about Sarah Palin has been dishonest.

    It's almost like two kids fighting on the playground ... "He started it. No, he started it."

    Politics as usual, I guess.


    Ok why dont you try listing some examples of the lies the Obama campaign is floating around about Sarah Palin...
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  • I totally agree..

    Even he himself today on the View discussed his lack of computer savvy and did not mention his inablility due to his war injuries. He understands how essential it is.

    The ad is effective.

    Why? I do not see how the ability to use a computer makes you a better candidate. Do you think Kerry is computer savvy or Clinton?
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  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    jimed14 wrote:
    "It's easy for me to go to Washington," said the Senator, "and frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have."

    ---John McCain 9/11/08


    I think the Obama camp has to jump on this quote. It would be a mistake for Obama not to bring this one back up.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Ok why dont you try listing some examples of the lies the Obama campaign is floating around about Sarah Palin...

    and again, the Obama campaign ... not some DailyKos like lefty left blog.

    That's yet another thing that's been annoying me ... pundits, analysts, bloggers say something and MANY of the right end up saying Obama is saying it.

    "They are making fun of Palin's kids" .... NO ... Obama came out and FLAT OUT stated the kids were off limits ...

    The pronoun game ... "THEY" ... insinuating Obama ... but, it's NOT Obama.
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  • Until McCain puts out an ad saying, "I don't use a computer because the Viet Cong beat me to within an inch of my life while Obama was hanging out in Kenya or where ever."

    Just sayin' ...


    You know there is a little thing called google.. type in McCain and computer and look what you get..

    http://redtory.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/mccain-the-video-professor/

    but I saved the best for last ~

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/07/29/MNQS120PDK.DTL

    Sorry.. try again.. he uses a computer everyday.. no war injuries stopping him there.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    for the record, here's the whole ad ... the comuter thing is ONLY a part of the ad ...

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/09/obama-slams-mcc.html
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  • Why? I do not see how the ability to use a computer makes you a better candidate. Do you think Kerry is computer savvy or Clinton?

    If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

    If McCain can tie his shoes and sign his name etc. he can use a mouse.
  • Ok why dont you try listing some examples of the lies the Obama campaign is floating around about Sarah Palin...

    She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

    She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

    She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

    She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

    She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

    She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

    To name a few ...

    Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

    Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Smellyman wrote:
    If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

    that made me laugh ... PC - II .... MAc - I .... Mrs. McCain - I
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  • Why? I do not see how the ability to use a computer makes you a better candidate. Do you think Kerry is computer savvy or Clinton?


    I never said it made him less of a candidate.. sorry, but even my 87 yr old grandfather knows how to use a computer. It shows that McCain is a bit "out of touch" especially with younger voters who get their news exclusively via the internet. How can you think that this technilogy is not something that a man running for president should not have some experience with?

    I firmly believe without a doubt Bill Clinton and John Kerry are computer savvy!
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  • I never said it made him less of a candidate.. sorry, but even my 87 yr old grandfather knows how to use a computer. It shows that McCain is a bit "out of touch" especially with younger voters who get their news exclusively via the internet. How can you think that this technilogy is not something that a man running for president should not have some experience with?

    I firmly believe without a doubt Bill Clinton and John Kerry are computer savvy!

    I'm sure McCain's grandson can come over and help him out with the Internet whenever he needs it. I do that with my granddad all the time.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    I'm sure McCain's grandson can come over and help him out with the Internet whenever he needs it.


    no, it's Cindi ... didn't you watch the video Smellyman put up ... it's a hoot! :D
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  • jimed14 wrote:
    no, it's Cindi ... didn't you watch the video Smellyman put up ... it's a hoot! :D

    I think Cindi just shows him how to work the webcam ... if you get my drift ;)

    OK, I think I just officially grossed myself out.
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  • She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

    She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

    She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

    She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

    She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

    She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

    To name a few ...

    Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

    Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.


    Ok.. first of all the things you are citing as spread by Obama have spread over the internet and media reports.. not Obama.. in what speech or ad has one of those been mentioned?

    Now on to your examples..

    *She did in fact fire the man who was over her ex-brother in law.. there is an open investigation on that one. He was fired because he reused to fire ex brother in law.

    *She most certainly INQUIRED about books that she wanted banned.. sorry even the McCain campaign can't deny it. She also threatened the librarian with her dismissal when she would not back down. After many people backed the librarian she was the one who backed down.

    *I have no idea what she charged the state of Alaska and really do not care...

    *Where exactly are you getting this info on her sex ed plan? Sources? From what I understand she is an adamantly abstinence only kind of thinker.

    The rest of your facts.. sources would be real great because I think you are just pulling them out of your ass, sorry to say. She is on video saying the Iraq war is god's plan.
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  • Smellyman wrote:
    If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

    If McCain can tie his shoes and sign his name etc. he can use a mouse.

    :D

    That's hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. The way he says he is an illiterate who needs to rely on his wife for assistance is priceless!
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    He said what has the Obama campaign put out because you said Obama (and his campaign) has said these things about her, quite simply I ask you to prove it. Where has the Obama campaign said she banned books? This is like saying the McCain campaign has directly accused Obama of being a Muslim. Although it's slimy, I cannot hold McCain accountable for the viral musings of some conservatives; how do you hold Obama accountable for freaky left-wingers?....I'll address the few of these things that are untrue, primarily the task that is from God.

    First of all, regarding Palin saying that the Iraq war was a mission from God. I believe this is the full quote; ""Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

    "A task that is from God." How is that not saying it is a mission from God? I don't understand how this could be spun.

    Also, sleightofjeff, read this article if you get a chance: http://www.slate.com/id/2199923/ There is a difference between the radicals of the spectrum get all riled up and when a presidential campaign lies spectacularly and outright. How do you explain the lies of the McCain campaign documented in that article, and show me the same blatant lies on the Obama campaign? You can't, because this time there aren't two sides to this coin. The problem is that, as always, McCain will get away with it, because there's so much traffic and information on the Internet, who's to say what's the truth and what's a lie? (even though there are many things that are true and are lies).




    She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

    She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

    She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

    She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

    She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

    She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

    To name a few ...

    Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

    Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.
  • Ok.. first of all the things you are citing as spread by Obama have spread over the internet and media reports.. not Obama.. in what speech or ad has one of those been mentioned?

    Now on to your examples..

    *She did in fact fire the man who was over her ex-brother in law.. there is an open investigation on that one. He was fired because he reused to fire ex brother in law.

    *She most certainly INQUIRED about books that she wanted banned.. sorry even the McCain campaign can't deny it. She also threatened the librarian with her dismissal when she would not back down. After many people backed the librarian she was the one who backed down.

    *I have no idea what she charged the state of Alaska and really do not care...

    *Where exactly are you getting this info on her sex ed plan? Sources? From what I understand she is an adamantly abstinence only kind of thinker.

    The rest of your facts.. sources would be real great because I think you are just pulling them out of your ass, sorry to say. She is on video saying the Iraq war is god's plan.

    He rarely posts examples, because he is usually pulling the stuff out of his ass.
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  • This is a very desperate and contradictory move on Obama's part and could signal the end of his campaign. The guy who claimed he would "change the tone" in this election is now doing the same thing every other politician does. His house of cards is falling down. What do McCain's computer skills have to do with anything?

    This isn't some BS 527 ad either this is a "I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approve this message" ad.
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    Smellyman wrote:
    If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

    If McCain can tie his shoes and sign his name etc. he can use a mouse.


    I'll tell my father that the next time some huge deal goes down. See he doesn't touch computers either but my grandchildren are still set for life because he ran successful businesses. Maybe if Obama gets in he can punish our family with his estate tax to make up for my father's shortcomings.
  • This is a very desperate and contradictory move on Obama's part and could signal the end of his campaign. The guy who claimed he would "change the tone" in this election is now doing the same thing every other politician does. His house of cards is falling down. What do McCain's computer skills have to do with anything?

    This isn't some BS 527 ad either this is a "I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approve this message" ad.

    No this is desperate

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk
  • catch22catch22 Posts: 1,081
    She pressed to have a state trooper fired just because he was divorcing Palin's sister. (Actually, the trooper had been caught drinking and driving in his squad car on more than one occasion, and once tased a 10-year-old boy).

    She banned books from the Wasilla library. (No, she didn't).

    She is for abstinence-only sex-ed. (She's for abstinence-BASED sex-ed, and has said she has no problem teaching other forms of contraception in addtion to abstinence.)

    She charged the state of Alaska to work from home. (No, she didn't. She charged a per diem that came out to about $7 a head in her household, but did not charge the state a "lodging fee" like so many are indicating. In fact, Palin charged the state 80 percent less in expenses than did her predecessor).

    She only wants to teach creationism in public schools (No, she doesn't).

    She said the Iraq was was a mission from God (No, she didn't).

    To name a few ...

    Look, I don't neccesarily blame Obama for this stuff. It's politics, and unfortunately, you do what you have to do -- even if it means distorting the facts.

    Both sides do it. I just think it's disingenuous to suggest it's only coming from one side.

    this is so much bullshit and you know it. it IS only coming from one side. because of all those things you listed, how many have been mentioned in ads put out by obama? compare that to how long it took mccain to create and run an ad about the whole lipstick nonsense?

    mccain is getting nasty. obama finally popped one back, and a mild one in comparison. the fact is that so far, obama's campaign has been pretty clean and mccain has been hitting below the belt regularly. and i'd be willing to admit if this wasn't the case. hell, i've been calling for obama to get nasty for a little while now because he's going to lose if he doesn't.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    Smellyman wrote:
    If you can't use a computer, you are out of touch of today's reality and not fit to lead. The modern world revolves around computers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9wnMVZE_Q

    If McCain can tie his shoes and sign his name etc. he can use a mouse.


    In all honesty it depends what you do for a living. I have friends that don't have computers, don't touch them and couldn't tell you anything about them. Hell some of them don't have cell phones. They are my age ranging from 30-39 ( I am 34). Some of them have kids and they only use school computers. So baically what I am saying not everyone needs to use or have computers.

    However, McCain should be able to do something on a computer and I am sure he does basic things. But then again, that is what his staff is for. Good to know that he won't be surfing the net for porn when he is in the White House.
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