was 9/11 an inside job?
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don't gimme no wrote:but everyone knows the other side of the argument. it's the one we were spoon fed from this bullshit administration from day one. it's the side of the argument that most people believed for a very long time until the truth became pretty obvious...thanks to the truthers.
and everyone has seen loose change,... there are holes in both stories,... pick an argument and let us dissect it until we can make a conclusion based on what we have seen,... there are countless threads on this board debating this issue and usually it just ends up in emotional arguments because it is such a touchy subject for all of us,...you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
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LikeAnOcean wrote:Did he ever have a chance to really test his theory? Probably not.
you are both wasting your time unless one of you finds an absolute answer to that question. there is no room for assumption.LikeAnOcean wrote:I think its good to question things, but who do you think set this up? Bush? Did they have secret underground meetings about how they were going to kill 3000 Americans?.. Who gets the idea to do this and how do they bring it up a meeting without being a little awkward?
If this were orchestrated by certain elements of this government and the people who influence them, then you can't use your moral compass to determine whether they would actually do it,... there is proof of plans of government sponsored terror (operation northwoods)
it is not that farfetched,...you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
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catefrances wrote:the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job sickens me. i don't even want to think it's a possibility.0
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don't gimme no wrote:I think you just nailed the #1 reason why people believe the administration's ridiculous version of what happened on that awful day.0
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jlew24asu wrote:what is so ridiculous about it?0
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don't gimme no wrote:aaaahahaaahaha. ahaaahahahahaha. you're killing me, jlew. you're killing me. like you already said, we've been over this a million times. you may not agree with me, but you certainly know why i and a million others see it as ridiculous.
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jlew24asu wrote:whenever your ready, i'll be here
http://www.911blogger.com/2005/05/new-articles-on-highjackers-and.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x26499
Moreover, the case of the man alleged to have been the ringleader of the hijackers, Mohamed Atta, presents several anomalies. As with each of my clients, he was alleged to be a devout Muslim. The Commission claimed he was so devout as to be fanatic. As such, the use of alcohol would be strictly forbidden. However, Mr. Atta was known to frequent bars, engage in sexual activities with dancers at strip clubs, and to make numerous visits to Las Vegas where he was partying. This information, which was reported in the Wall Street Journal, among other places, was ignored by the Commission. It even claimed that there was no explanation for the trips to Las Vegas. The obvious inconsistency between the alleged behavior and the behavior typical of devout Muslims is most significant. I implore you as jurors to ask why the Commission failed to report these facts.
Further, it was reported by the Commission that Mr. Atta packed his Will, his passport, his international driver�s license, a copy of the Koran, and other personal items to take with him on a plane that was going to be used as a weapon, and hence be completely destroyed. Oddly enough, those items were somehow not loaded on Flight 11, the plane he purportedly hijacked, but instead were left as evidence to be discovered. Not only is this a bizarre coincidence, but strange indeed as Mr. Atta's name was not on the plane's passenger manifest that was made public. The Commission does not mention these odd but important facts. Are you, the jury, interested in knowing why such evidence was not considered?
I've provided a little research here and I am sure you can find other stuff related to this. Jlew, what is your opinion on the reason the highjackers were not on the flight manifest? Why did the FBI not update their list after some of the highjackers were found to be alive?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
Why did the FBI admit there was no hard evidence connectin Bin Laden to 9/11? Who is Rex Tomb, because according to http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060610&articleId=2623 he said that there was no hard evidence? Wouldn't that suspicious video tape of Usama be pretty hard evidence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11,_2001_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Tape_released_by_the_U.S._government
They go both ways,... did he do it or not? Is the video a fake?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
It doesn't specifically state that he is responsible for any of the attacks, it just says he is suspect,...you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
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jlew24asu wrote:whenever your ready, i'll be here0
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
I too am looking forward to your answer to this one jlew.
It's upto you to prove it remember.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
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spiral out wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
I too am looking forward to your answer to this one jlew.
It's upto you to prove it remember.
Easy...
From Wikipedia...
Waleed and Wail were both mistakenly reported to have been found alive and well, by the BBC later in 2001. They were initially reported in error by a Saudi newspaper editor as the sons of Ahmed Alshehri, a senior Saudi diplomat stationed in Bombay, India. On September 16, 2001, the diplomat Ahmed Alshehri denied that he was the father of the two hijackers. Wail claims he did attend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida - but was the victim of mistaken identity, since he used that training to secure his current position with a Moroccan airline company. Saudi Arabia has confirmed his story, and suggested he was the victim of identity theft.
Muhammad Ali Al-Shihri, the hijacker al-Shehri brothers' true father, was identified prior to September 17, 2001, and told Arab News that he hadn't heard from his sons in ten months prior to September 2001.[11] An ABC News story in March 2002 repeated this, and during a report entitled "A Saudi Apology" for Dateline NBC on Aug 25 2002, NBC's reporter John Hockenberry traveled to 'Asir, where he interviewed the third brother, Salah, who agreed that his two brothers were dead and claimed they had been "brainwashed".
Furthermore another article explains that the pilot who lives in Casablanca was named Walid al-Shri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) and that much of the BBC information regarding "alive" hijackers was incorrect according to the same sources used by BBC. [12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
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I have a very limited knowledge in this area, and I can honestly say that I don't have a preference. But it wouldn't suprise me if it was an inside job.no matter where you go,
there you are.
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jsaso wrote:america was suckered into vietnam with an attack on american
marriens that NEVER happened...
and again america is suckered into a war in iraq...
muslims just dont want american bases in the middle east...
why did america fight with hussein????
yep yep yep i know all about vitenam and those bastard communists trying to take over the world and doing it one country at a time.
you know something that's been bothering me for 6 years?
those planes were hijacked by men brandishing box cutters. this is the story ive always heard. is it true? i don't even know anymore. can someone tell me how the fuck this was even possible. who would just sit there and prepare to die rather than take them on, probably sustain a wound, serious or superficial, that would end the situation?
LET'S ROLL? come on those blokes should have rolled the minute those terrorists threatened the plane.hear my name
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The question to answer is "Who had the most to gain?"
Remember, GW was the Education President before 9/11. Where do you think they were going to funnel money from to pay for his education initiatives?
The military is a multi-billion dollar business much like the tobacco companies, just with better PR and advertising. If they are willing to sacrifice our soldiers by skimping out on armor and everything else, why not sacrifice a few hundred people to start the ball rolling??
I don't think the current regime is to blame so much as the people we don't vote for who have been there since the end of WWII. If you question who is to blame for 9/11, you then must question every major event that affected military involvement since WWII: The Anti-Communist agenda, Assasination of JFK and MLK, Vietnam.
Then your follow up question would be: "How do we root out these people."0 -
Sometimes I have to wonder why we tend to make things more complicated than they have to be. Since we can duped into WWII, Vietnam, then the question of 9/II being an inside job: it's more than possible too much to be gained by this regime.
This administration's imperlistic nature overwhelms them.
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LikeAnOcean wrote:True, but I would also think a 220 Ton jet traveling at 300 mph would have more to with with the collapse than the fire alone. :rolleyes:
The beams were already severely damaged to a point where eventually they would give to fire. It had more to do with physics than chemistry alone.
Yes, I hate our administration and think this war is bullshit.
No, I do not believe 9/11 is an inside job. I'm not saying they didn't know it was going to happen. I'm not saying they didn't purposely let the terrorists slip under their noses.. I don't believe they (our government) set it up. I've watched the videos that think so and I've watched videos that disprove those...
Yes, our government is using 9/11 is an excuse to do things it wouldn't normally be able to do.
well actually
if you watched the zeitgeist movie it shows bombs are exploded belowbefore the planes hit the buildings0 -
This is a silly notion to say the least. I disagree greatly w/ the current administration and virtually everything they stand for but, it would be IMPOSSIBLE, read that word carefully because I mean it...IMPOSSIBLE to pull off an inside job of such a magnitude. Somebody other than conspiracy theorists would share your opinion. The Bill Mahers of the world would expose such a thing the minute they found out about it. Suggesting 9/11 was an inside job is pretty much suggesting every single member of the media (cable news, bloggers etc) that have inside information like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews etc are playing along. That is again...IMPOSSIBLE.The Official Matt Cameron appreciation signature!0
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mattosborne wrote:This is a silly notion to say the least. I disagree greatly w/ the current administration and virtually everything they stand for but, it would be IMPOSSIBLE, read that word carefully because I mean it...IMPOSSIBLE to pull off an inside job of such a magnitude. Somebody other than conspiracy theorists would share your opinion. The Bill Mahers of the world would expose such a thing the minute they found out about it. Suggesting 9/11 was an inside job is pretty much suggesting every single member of the media (cable news, bloggers etc) that have inside information like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews etc are playing along. That is again...IMPOSSIBLE.
That's the exact sentiment that this administration has banked on and it has worked to a Tttt. It is still possible for them to do this because we, well some of us can be fooled by their fascist agenda.
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mattosborne wrote:This is a silly notion to say the least. I disagree greatly w/ the current administration and virtually everything they stand for but, it would be IMPOSSIBLE, read that word carefully because I mean it...IMPOSSIBLE to pull off an inside job of such a magnitude. Somebody other than conspiracy theorists would share your opinion. The Bill Mahers of the world would expose such a thing the minute they found out about it. Suggesting 9/11 was an inside job is pretty much suggesting every single member of the media (cable news, bloggers etc) that have inside information like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews etc are playing along. That is again...IMPOSSIBLE.
I completely disagree. How many people believed the Blair Witch to be real? Loch Ness Monster? Big Foot? Why are the top news stories on the big 3 every night are related to Lindsay Loham or Paris Hilton as if they were the most important Americans since Ben Franklin?
We live in a land in which being a patriot means following the status quo. That to many, if you don't support GW and the War Effort, you don't support our troops.
We are talking about a small section of government that have people still guessing about Roswell 50 years later. Hid the Stealth Bomber from everyone until they were ready to release it to the world. They are PAID to keep secrets of military magnitude in the guise of security and are fucking good at what they do. The media outlets don't get anything leaked that isn't preapproved to be leaked.
The same people that are railing against GW now, were kissing his ass 4 years ago and at the same time, Clinton couldn't do anything right. They are about as informed as you or I, it's just they have a camera in front of their face.0 -
Mukluk4 wrote:I completely disagree. How many people believed the Blair Witch to be real? Loch Ness Monster? Big Foot? Why are the top news stories on the big 3 every night are related to Lindsay Loham or Paris Hilton as if they were the most important Americans since Ben Franklin?
We live in a land in which being a patriot means following the status quo. That to many, if you don't support GW and the War Effort, you don't support our troops.
We are talking about a small section of government that have people still guessing about Roswell 50 years later. Hid the Stealth Bomber from everyone until they were ready to release it to the world. They are PAID to keep secrets of military magnitude in the guise of security and are fucking good at what they do. The media outlets don't get anything leaked that isn't preapproved to be leaked.
The same people that are railing against GW now, were kissing his ass 4 years ago and at the same time, Clinton couldn't do anything right. They are about as informed as you or I, it's just they have a camera in front of their face.
No no...everything is exactly as it seems. Of course it is....the magic wide screen glow box tells us so.
There is no such thing as classification. Nothing is a secret...secrets can not be kept...they will always slip out...no matter what. Right?
Use the destabilization of the middle east as your barometer. Watch to see if it gets worse or better. We already can follow the money trail. Maybe 2 out of three will get some heads scratching.
Either way...pick your sides.
As you with the US...or are you a terrorist?
That's the deal...take it or leave it.
mutiny....or undying gratitude
blue pill or red pill...Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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mattosborne wrote:Bill Mahers of the world would expose such a thing the minute they found out about it. Suggesting 9/11 was an inside job is pretty much suggesting every single member of the media [...]are playing along. That is again...IMPOSSIBLE.
Wow!
I think you fail to grasp just HOW serious the implications of government COMPLICITY in 911 are. You also fail to see the deep interconnected web that exists between government, the media, and big business. They ALL COMPRISE THE 'ESTABLISHMENT' ... NO ... read NO establishment insider (ANY ONE IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA) ... NONE OF THEM will go up against the establishment ...
Bill Maher, Chris Mattheis ... they would ALL HAVE THEIR SHOWS CANCELLED IMMEDIATELY ... they would be ridiculed by EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY FOX NEWS as "CRAZY AND TRAITORS" ... they'd probably be brought up on charges of insiting disorder or some bullshit, to boot. Needless to say, their lives would be over ...
911 is SO "LOONY" that you could not possibly suggest it as a member of the media yourself, without fear of immediate & severe reprisal by all.
If you still fail to understand why the mainstream media isn't ever going to report on it ... ask yourself this ... WHEN is the media going to start reporting peak oil ... should the media be doing something to get americans thinking about their NONEXISTENT OIL FUTURE?
No ... they are PRAYING TO GOD bush can "Get the Job Done" so that we can suck up the rest of the oil in the world in perfect ignorance of the fact that it's a deadend street ... go download "The End Of Suburbia" and "The Oil Factor: Behind The War On Terror" ... watch the later, and tell me you still do not think that the ENTIRE SCOPE OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY IS BASED ON OIL SECURITY!If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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