Interrogate the shite out of them!!!

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,051
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    didn't you just become a parent recently i thought that might of changed your perspective a bit don't get me wrong your entitled to your opinion i just don't see it your way ...
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,246
    acoustic guy wrote:
    hahahahaha!
    Really...........just to be aggravating.
    LOL. :)
    How did I spell it? Usually I just write fast and not think about it.

    Just like this whole thread you didn't think about it.

    Torture...why lower ourselves because we've been blasted with the concept that we are in a "War" and we must win at all cost. America should set the example for the world if we're to go down this road however as you may know America has gone the other way. In that we've done and are STILL doing RENDITIONS and sourcing them to other countries just get away torturing without being blamed specifically.

    AG, You believe in secret Renditions too?

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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.
    If its as extreme as you say it is, why even bother torturing them? Why not just nuke them all? They're a danger to our society, right?

    I used to be pretty conservative, but over time have become a damn dirty hippy. We are not torturing them, the way I see it. We are torturing ourselves. We're all on this planet together. We can bicker all we want, but in the end we're all the same.

    I'm seriously sick of nationalism. I'm all about individualism. Thats just me though. If you want to be a robot and follow the rest of your gang, good for you. Just don't fuck with me. Generally, I don't like about 2/3 of the people I meet, most of which are people who would kill for a belief anyways.

    I'm not saying they are right, but killing and torturing because of a conflict in views on life is pretty fucking primitive if you ask me. It's the easy way out. Thats what thugs in gang wars do. You can't solve the problem, so you paint the other side evil and live for their destruction. You need to feel part of something bigger, and in order to do that, you need to bring your enemies down.

    Don't look to me for the answers though. I'm just observing how silly people on all ends of the spectrum look to me from my point of view in this life.. We'll all be dead in 100 years anyways, so I guess if killing and torturing is your thing to help self preserve yourself and your ideas for a few more years, go ape shit!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    acoustic guy wrote:
    They do! They get their heads cut off!
    Why do people think you can fight ethiclly in a war with people who think its about religion?
    If you wanna win a war agaisnt nut balls like that you gotta get fucking nasty. No rules, and no press.


    Q: How do you win a war? A: you kill everything resisting on the other side.

    Why bother to interrogate when the objective is to kill everyone on that side anyways?

    It's an occupation. The enemy force (resistance) is growing in response to the occupation. It doesn't just magically stop. The resistance stops when the occupation stops. Cause...effect...

    Have you learned anything at all from watching the news in the past 4 years?
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  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    Anyone with half a brain knows that torture produces unreliable information and intelligence. If you've got your balls in a pair of pliers, you're pretty much going to say anything to have the pain stop, whether it's true or not.
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  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Anyone with half a brain knows that torture produces unreliable information and intelligence. If you've got your balls in a pair of pliers, you're pretty much going to say anything to have the pain stop, whether it's true or not.

    Ouch!!! hahaha. OK, that one I agree with.
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  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Anyone with half a brain knows that torture produces unreliable information and intelligence. If you've got your balls in a pair of pliers, you're pretty much going to say anything to have the pain stop, whether it's true or not.

    Ouch!
    Ok, that one I agree with.
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  • Mental Block
    Mental Block Posts: 21
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    ahahaha you even explicitly wrote down your mischaracterisation of the anti-torture contingent, hallmark of a genius right there

    acoustic guy wrote:
    How did I spell it? Usually I just write fast and not think about it.

    Why in god's name do you have to ask how something is spelled in the original post of this thread THAT YOU WROTE
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    WOW, i never knew McCain was a far left.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Judging by the amount of explosions going off in Iraq and occasionally around the globe and that capture of the Bin-man a year ago, I think that the torture routine is doing wonders for getting answers.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    War is war but even in war there are rules of engagement. It has nothing to do with reason or being mean, it has everything to do with being a human being. Should for the sake of safety lower ourselves to level in which terrorists operate. Should we toss out our principles and values to simply buy some temporary safety. This country was founded on certain principles and ideas, bar a few like slavery. It is what makes our country great. It is what sets us apart from places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, and Myanmar. It is the foundation of this country. By partaking in torture we stray away from what makes this country great and at that point what is there to defend.

    IT has been stated time and time again, by experts, that information obtained through torture is unreliable. So should we sell our souls, our very principles for nothing. I could care less about some bastard whose sole intent is to inflict pains, death, and suffering on innocent citizens through terrorism, but I do care about the principles of this country and I am not willing to allow our government sacrifice everything this country was founded on for a false moment of security.
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    some good posts in here and some daft posts too.

    at first i was with Acoustic Guy, but then other people have reminded me about the fact that in torture prisoners will say anything to stop it happening to them. and i forgot about that

    so yes, torture is not a way to win. one idea came to my mind, how about putting them to sleep and getting answers like that. i can't remember proper word for this....but basically send them of to sleep and whilst they are sleeping ask them questions starting with non-suspicious ones, like their childhood and them progress onto important info.

    but another thing i thought about a quite a while ago, is that war will never end untill there'll be no people left who answer back to violence with violence.
    and also no people who are just mad, and like to bring pain to individuals.

    and those kind of people will always be with us. no matter how many time we kill them, there will always be new people. difficulty with this kind of war is that it's not the government we are fighting with, but individuals. you kill one group of individuals, and once they are gone and you think it's all over...there comes another group. that's why i think was in Iraq will be never ending one.

    i haven't got the solution, i know killing won't help and i know being nice to them won't work either.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.
    ...
    Well... first off... we are the United States of America.. not the Soviet Union. We are not supposed to act like the Soviets. We are supposed to be the good guys. And last time I checked... the good guys didn't torture... the bad guys did.
    Next... if I clamp a pair of jumper cable to your nuts and run 110 volts throught it until you give me the names of terrorists... you are going to come up with names... even though you don't know any terrorists.
    And the best way to win this type of 'War'... is to win over the people by providing them the opportunity to better their situation. If your father or brother was detained and tortured for infomation he did not possess... are you telling me you would accept the torturers as friends? Wouldn't their torture turn you against them? Not all of the people and their friends and families swept up by a giant net are terrorists... until they get out.
    How do you win a war, when your actions create more enemies bent on killing you?
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...

    Next... if I clamp a pair of jumper cable to your nuts and run 110 volts throught it until you give me the names of terrorists... you are going to come up with names... even though you don't know any terrorists.

    Exactly what I have always thought. Plus if someone does know the name of a terrorist, what is going to stop him from giving you a bunch of fake names first that you have no other way of confirming?
    genie wrote:

    so yes, torture is not a way to win. one idea came to my mind, how about putting them to sleep and getting answers like that. i can't remember proper word for this....but basically send them of to sleep and whilst they are sleeping ask them questions starting with non-suspicious ones, like their childhood and them progress onto important info.

    Are you talking about hypnosis? From what I understand about that it only works if the subject really wants to be hypnotized. Drugging people up only works some of the time, and the same with that you don't really have any way to confirm the intel you are getting.
  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Are you talking about hypnosis? From what I understand about that it only works if the subject really wants to be hypnotized. Drugging people up only works some of the time, and the same with that you don't really have any way to confirm the intel you are getting.

    yes i was, and yes i've also heard it works when people want to be hypnotized, but i think it's a subject scientists can find out about and explore a bit more.
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    If you do not respect the basic human rights of another person you are a criminal and a terrorist yourself. I'm not even going to bother with the 'it makes you no better than them arugument'. It makes you a criminal and a terrorist thats all. If first world countries do not afford people basic human rights how do you expect developing and third world nations to do likewise.
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  • drivingrl
    drivingrl Posts: 1,448
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    Torture. T-O-R-T-U-R-E.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,246
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Bottom line....if you are at war, and you have the enemy, you do what is necessary to get the answer you want.

    Here comes the far left...........
    Said in a girlie voice.."You should not torcher them like that. You are mean, you should try to reason with them"
    Come on......where are you?

    War is War. Its not fair or nice, if you wanna win you gotta get nasty. Bottom line.

    Again this is an occupation what's happening in Iraq NOT a any war, however since you refer to being nasty maybe that's why you use the word "torcher" instead of torture. Maybe your method of action is burn them all up, seems like a demented thought process from the outset.

    What do you think??

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    drivingrl wrote:
    Torture. T-O-R-T-U-R-E.

    Nucular.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I understand both sides of the arguement...
    One the one hand, you need to acquire information because of the covert actions of individuals, not a uniformed military, are in play here. Information that will lead you to leadership and command chain, their whereabouts and their plans.
    On the other hand, you need to be able to rely on that information. Acting on false information is useless at best, catastrophic at worst.
    ...
    The trick is relying on viable, correct information. Which isn't easy. Torturing can lead to both good and bad information. How do you know which is which? Does the tortured have information? Will he give it up? Will it be good, bad or both?
    We need information... but, only the good stuff. Torturing people does not insure this. It only insures you will get something out of it. Problem is, it could be a terrorist... or it could be someone he has a grudge with.
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