Where has all the respect gone?

Vedder316 · October 2008

So much bitterness and negativity when discussing politics. Whats happening here, all this hate towards others views and beliefs. Its just a shame. The only people I can discuss politics and world views are family members and my wife. Though we dissagree on numerous subjects, their basicly the only people I can talk to with out getting blasted by hatred for what i believe. The government is bad enough with out every one being so harsh twords one another. Not sure what I'm even trying to get across.......just is kind of a downer when you think of the whole of it all.

Peace
M

sponger · October 2008

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in the MT forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and logical fallacies.

Do you not remember the temporary closing of the MT forum in the summer of '96? Hence the forum sticky.

Dirtie_Frank · October 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

So much bitterness and negativity when discussing politics. Whats happening here, all this hate towards others views and beliefs. Its just a shame. The only people I can discuss politics and world views are family members and my wife. Though we dissagree on numerous subjects, their basicly the only people I can talk to with out getting blasted by hatred for what i believe. The government is bad enough with out every one being so harsh twords one another. Not sure what I'm even trying to get across.......just is kind of a downer when you think of the whole of it all.

Peace
M

I understand what you are saying. I believe that some people hold there beliefs so close it is personal and when attacking those beliefs they take it as an attack on themselves. No pshycologist just saying. But you are right

flywallyfly · October 2008

sponger wrote:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in the MT forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and logical fallacies.

Do you not remember the temporary closing of the MT forum in the summer of '96? Hence the forum sticky.

No kidding. This Utopia never existed here.

Commy · October 2008

its about politics. people take that seroiusly.

Anon · October 2008

I think as a whole, most people that post here are fairly respectful to others. There's a few trolls that post here who aren't really interested in discussing things rationally, they are more interested in getting a reaction from people. In the ideal world, it would be great if we could all just put those people on ignore and let them go and fascinate someone else, but i guess it's just the nature of the beast that sometimes people react poorly.

It's interesting that those people never come back into the thread they started to debate anything once they are called out on their stupidity. They are just trolls. There's plenty of people that post here that i don't agree with everything they say, but i still respect their views.

I guess the other thing to keep in mind is that people can be really passionate about their beliefs and sometimes it's hard to keep emotions under wraps. No excuse, i know.

Commy · October 2008

I like when people disagree with me. the more a subject is discussed the more people have a chance to learn about it. by all means, try to prove me wrong.

Vedder316 · October 2008

Does passion have to be harsh? Maybe its just wishful thinking.

Vedder316 · October 2008

Commy wrote:

I like when people disagree with me. the more a subject is discussed the more people have a chance to learn about it. by all means, try to prove me wrong.

Agree with you whole heartedly. I love discussing and debating but its sad that so many turn to insults ect to get points across. It just has a dirty feeling when it turns to that.

QuestionAuthority · October 2008

I have been reading the Pearl Jam message board for nearly nine years now.. participating in the discussion off and on through all those years.. this current message board is the first where they was a specific "Moving Train".. a place specificallt to discuss/debate current events and political matters.. in all those nine years sorry to say there has never been this "respect" here that you discuss.

People are passionate about what they believe and the truth is that it is alot "easier" to hit a nerve with another when you do not have to look them in the eye when you do so.. this I have found is just the nature of the internet.

Consider though that this really is probably the most important election we will vote in for most of us in our lifetime. People are scared.. there are serious issues facing this country.. I would not expect anything else but passionate people who are holding onto their beliefs and viewpoints at this time.

QuestionAuthority · October 2008

sponger wrote:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in the MT forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and logical fallacies.

Do you not remember the temporary closing of the MT forum in the summer of '96? Hence the forum sticky.

I think you mean 2006.. 1996 there was not a specific forum for poltical and current event debate..

All topics/forums/threads were all posted all together.. this format is SO much better.

Commy · October 2008

QuestionAuthority wrote:

I have been reading the Pearl Jam message board for nearly nine years now.. participating in the discussion off and on through all those years.. this current message board is the first where they was a specific "Moving Train".. a place specificallt to discuss/debate current events and political matters.. in all those nine years sorry to say there has never been this "respect" here that you discuss.

People are passionate about what they believe and the truth is that it is alot "easier" to hit a nerve with another when you do not have to look them in the eye when you do so.. this I have found is just the nature of the internet.

Consider though that this really is probably the most important election we will vote in for most of us in our lifetime. People are scared.. there are serious issues facing this country.. I would not expect anything else but passionate people who are holding onto their beliefs and viewpoints at this time.

I disagree, repectfully. I have many 'adversaries' who are respectful and actually address the points I've made. And I return the favor. debate is not a competition, it is a chance to learn.

QuestionAuthority · October 2008

Commy wrote:

I disagree, repectfully. I have many 'adversaries' who are respectful and actually address the points I've made. And I return the favor. debate is not a competition, it is a chance to learn.

I agree.. it would be WONDERFUL if all of us learned from each other, but sorry I have seen way too many things get disgusting around here.. usually causing me to leave for quite some time.. and it is a shame.. because I have loved this band for over 15 years.. their music means alot to me.. it is a shame that we can't all "rise above" and try to learn from each other for simply having the one common denominator of this wonderful group and their kick ass music that brings us here in common..but sometimes it gets real nasty.. at least what I have seen, like I said, over the nine years.. I have met wonderful people over the nine years.. there are great people, but having gone through Bush election 1 and the Supreme Court decision.. September 11, the war, Bush election 2, Katrina.. and trying to discuss things rationally at times on this message board gets really unrational..

sponger · October 2008

QuestionAuthority wrote:

I think you mean 2006.. 1996 there was not a specific forum for poltical and current event debate..

All topics/forums/threads were all posted all together.. this format is SO much better.

Ha..yes...'06. Thank you for pointing that out.

Commy · October 2008

QuestionAuthority wrote:

I agree.. it would be WONDERFUL if all of us learned from each other, but sorry I have seen way too many things get disgusting around here.. usually causing me to leave for quite some time.. and it is a shame.. because I have loved this band for over 15 years.. their music means alot to me.. it is a shame that we can't all "rise above" and try to learn from each other for simply having the one common denominator of this wonderful group and their kick ass music that brings us here in common..but sometimes it gets real nasty.. at least what I have seen, like I said, over the nine years.. I have met wonderful people over the nine years.. there are great people, but having gone through Bush election 1 and the Supreme Court decision.. September 11, the war, Bush election 2, Katrina.. and trying to discuss things rationally at times on this message board gets really unrational..

I\I read ya. Its easy to let the world get the best of you. But through it all, as bad as it gets, one thing that always holds me together is ten. the world can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, I have ten. It's gotten me through more than I can admit. Let it all go to hell, ten is my bible, and that's the truth.

NMyTree · October 2008

sponger wrote:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in the MT forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and logical fallacies..

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in The Porch forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and illogical fallacies.

The Porch has never been any different.

Go in there and express a dislike for one specific Pearl Jam song.

Or suggest that Vedder doesn't look hot in a picture.

Or suggest that Mikey's mistake on All Or None, on Benny Hall; doesn't sound good at all and kind of ruins the song.

Watch the maniacal responses/attracks and check your PM Box for the hate mail. It's laughable.

sponger · October 2008

NMyTree wrote:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in The Porch forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and illogical fallacies.

The Porch has never been any different.

Go in there and express a dislike for one specific Pearl Jam song.

Or suggest that Vedder doesn't look hot in a picture.

Or suggest that Mikey's mistake on All Or None, on Benny Hall; doesn't sound good at all and kind of ruins the song.

Watch the maniacal responses/attracks and check your PM Box for the hate mail. It's laughable.

Never been there. But what do you expect when a forum is designed around the fanfare of a certain thing, and when that certain thing is not given its due fanfare?

writersu · October 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

So much bitterness and negativity when discussing politics. Whats happening here, all this hate towards others views and beliefs. Its just a shame. The only people I can discuss politics and world views are family members and my wife. Though we dissagree on numerous subjects, their basicly the only people I can talk to with out getting blasted by hatred for what i believe. The government is bad enough with out every one being so harsh twords one another. Not sure what I'm even trying to get across.......just is kind of a downer when you think of the whole of it all.

Peace
M

then you are doing better than most people. I can't even discuss it with my mother and sister (who had totally brain washed her). I have decided to keep it to myself. When I am asked and I politely tell my take on it all, and the other person comes at me with a "holier than thou", "you must be soooo stupid. here let me tell you what I know and you do not obviously."

freedom of choice, religion, politics, etc. are what we are suppose to be about. Yeah, lately, there are a lot of bullies out there who just want to jump on you if you disagree.

Vedder316 · October 2008

Too true with most all said. "debate is not a competition, it is a chance to learn" I couldnt agree with you more. Its strange. Do you folks think that Pearl Jam fans represent what the band means, says is, ect well? Ed all the time speaks about loving your fellow man. Peace around the world. Unity. to listen to other and arrive at your own opinion. I mean 99% of the shows are ended with him saying "peace". I know some who do but the majority?

Commy · October 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

Too true with most all said. "debate is not a competition, it is a chance to learn" I couldnt agree with you more. Its strange. Do you folks think that Pearl Jam fans represent what the band means, says is, ect well? Ed all the time speaks about loving your fellow man. Peace around the world. Unity. to listen to other and arrive at your own opinion. I mean 99% of the shows are ended with him saying "peace". I know some who do but the majority?

individuals have their own motives. and opinions. How they express those opinions are up to them.

paz y amor.

QuestionAuthority · October 2008

NMyTree wrote:

To be perfectly honest, I can't remember a time when respect was displayed in The Porch forum, which has historically been a forum rife with personal attacks and illogical fallacies.

The Porch has never been any different.

Go in there and express a dislike for one specific Pearl Jam song.

Or suggest that Vedder doesn't look hot in a picture.

Or suggest that Mikey's mistake on All Or None, on Benny Hall; doesn't sound good at all and kind of ruins the song.

Watch the maniacal responses/attracks and check your PM Box for the hate mail. It's laughable.

That is so funny and so true.. been there done that... that is why this format is so much better.. it was excrutiating to have to maneuver through all the threads regarding why Bugs is the best Pearl Jam song ever!!!

Where has all the respect gone?

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