Giuliani has his fingers crossed!

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well these people we are talking about will be voted in. that means millions of americans actually want one of these people to be president. sadly its true. hilary has huge support right now. rudy too.

    That is what is scary... 60+ million people will actually choose one of these candidates.... But I wonder how many people actually vote for one of them and not just against the other one...

    I'll definitely vote for a different candidate in the primary, but sad to say that if it comes down to those two in the general, I might just vote for Hilary *cringe*, so Guiliani doesn't get elected. I'd probably have to go home and take a shower after pulling that lever, and at that point feel like an armed revolution might not be all that bad of an idea...
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well these people we are talking about will be voted in. that means millions of americans actually want one of these people to be president. sadly its true. hilary has huge support right now. rudy too.

    I think the DOI quote you mentioned is designed for when someone enters the presidency through force or in some rogue way.
    The Founders were exquisitely careful with the words they chose, fully aware of the magnitude of what they were doing. If they had meant to limit the right of the people to alter or abolish a government to rogues such as you describe, they most certainly would have said so quite clearly. After all, King George came by his position legally too. There is nothing in the Declaration, the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers that supports your interpretation. They meant what they said, literally.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    If Giuliani gets elected I'm thinking movies like the condemned could become reality.

    edit: excellent movie btw.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't advocate that either but we have lost control of our government. They no longer function in our best interest. They spend our money without any sense of responsibility, they have depreciated our currency, engaged in illegal and uneccessary actions over seas which have put the citizens in harms way, they pass laws and under take actions which that do not serve the best interest of the public at large, and they basically wipe their ass with the document that outlines the principles they swore to protect and uphold. Our voice has been muzzled and our liberties are slowely being eroded. Our government, not the form of government, is an absolute failure. It is time for a change and as much as I hate violence I don't see how we can effectively abolish our existing government and erect a new one without force.

    I can't really argue with you here. but I do believe things will get better when Bush (and cheney, rice, etc..) leaves regardless of who comes in. I just dont ever see force being an option unless that person in office used for to get there.

    but mamma, you would be outraged if you saw what is going on in chicago. more specifically Cook County. (Chicago's county).

    we recently elected a new cook county board president who is the most corrupt fucking asshole on the planet. he is doing the complete opposite of everything he said in his campaign. he is the son of the former board president too. has already been caught giving jobs to other family members. wants to raise taxs after running on a "lower taxes campaign"

    CTA (chicago transit authority, buses and trains) is on the brink of shutting down because of lack of funding from the state and a poorly planned budget. talk about not acting in the best interest of the people. almost brings me to tears sometimes. its bad.

    I still have not considered leaving chicago or this country or use force to get what I think is right. its tough times politically right now, but I try to remain an optimist.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    The Founders were exquisitely careful with the words they chose, fully aware of the magnitude of what they were doing. If they had meant to limit the right of the people to alter or abolish a government to rogues such as you describe, they most certainly would have said so quite clearly. After all, King George came by his position legally too. There is nothing in the Declaration, the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers that supports your interpretation. They meant what they said, literally.

    great. I still don't see the need to use violence against the american government to get what we want.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I can't really argue with you here. but I do believe things will get better when Bush (and cheney, rice, etc..) leaves regardless of who comes in. I just dont ever see force being an option unless that person in office used for to get there.

    but mamma, you would be outraged if you saw what is going on in chicago. more specifically Cook County. (Chicago's county).

    we recently elected a new cook county board president who is the most corrupt fucking asshole on the planet. he is doing the complete opposite of everything he said in his campaign. he is the son of the former board president too. has already been caught giving jobs to other family members. wants to raise taxs after running on a "lower taxes campaign"

    CTA (chicago transit authority, buses and trains) is on the brink of shutting down because of lack of funding from the state and a poorly planned budget. talk about not acting in the best interest of the people. almost brings me to tears sometimes. its bad.

    I still have not considered leaving chicago or this country or use force to get what I think is right. its tough times politically right now, but I try to remain an optimist.

    Hey your talking to a New Jerseyian. I live in the politically corrupt capital of the US. If our politicians aren't corrupt we don't elect them here.

    Trust me the last thing I would like to see is Americans fighting Americans. I'm not advocating another Civil War but we, as a country, are heading in the wrong direction. Bush & Co. are a small part of the problem. The big problem is that policy, both domestic and foreign, is being dictated by think tanks, lobbiest, and special interest groups none of which are elected officials who are supposed to be held accoutable to the electorate. We need to seize control of the reigns from these people. We can't do it through electing honest politicians because there really are none and the one's that exist are muzzled by the media. The next administration may not aggressively attack another nation but they will continue to serve the same people that the last several administrations have, not the people.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I can't really argue with you here. but I do believe things will get better when Bush (and cheney, rice, etc..) leaves regardless of who comes in. I just dont ever see force being an option unless that person in office used for to get there.

    but mamma, you would be outraged if you saw what is going on in chicago. more specifically Cook County. (Chicago's county).

    we recently elected a new cook county board president who is the most corrupt fucking asshole on the planet. he is doing the complete opposite of everything he said in his campaign. he is the son of the former board president too. has already been caught giving jobs to other family members. wants to raise taxs after running on a "lower taxes campaign"

    CTA (chicago transit authority, buses and trains) is on the brink of shutting down because of lack of funding from the state and a poorly planned budget. talk about not acting in the best interest of the people. almost brings me to tears sometimes. its bad.

    I still have not considered leaving chicago or this country or use force to get what I think is right. its tough times politically right now, but I try to remain an optimist.
    At the local level, even in a city the size of Chicago, it's still possible to get involved in the system and change things. I've done it in the Cleveland area. No, I was never on a ballot, but I worked my ass off behind the scenes for a couple of candidates and for several issues, and we were able to make real changes.

    At the national level, most people don't think that an individual citizen can have any effect unless they're filthy rich. They're right. The whole system has been bought and paid for, and we're not getting in, no matter how good our ideas are or how hard we're willing to work. Once in a while an outsider can get in, either by getting elected (Kucinich, for example), or by working for a winner's campaign and getting an appointed post, but they soon find that they can't get anything accomplished without compromising every ideal they ever had.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Hey your talking to a New Jerseyian. I live in the politically corrupt capital of the US. If our politicians aren't corrupt we don't elect them here.

    Trust me the last thing I would like to see is Americans fighting Americans. I'm not advocating another Civil War but we, as a country, are heading in the wrong direction. Bush & Co. are a small part of the problem. The big problem is that policy, both domestic and foreign, is being dictated by think tanks, lobbiest, and special interest groups none of which are elected officials who are supposed to be held accoutable to the electorate. We need to seize control of the reigns from these people. We can't do it through electing honest politicians because there really are none and the one's that exist are muzzled by the media. The next administration may not aggressively attack another nation but they will continue to serve the same people that the last several administrations have, not the people.

    hey I thought Chicago had that title ;) but you're right. we are headed in the wrong direction. I 100% believe many americans are getting that feeling too. a guy like ron paul defintely is a breath of fresh air for change. I'm very very pleasantly surprised to see the amount of support he is getting even with almost ZERO support from the media. Americans seem to be figuring it out. keep up the good fight.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hey I thought Chicago had that title ;) but you're right. we are headed in the wrong direction. I 100% believe many americans are getting that feeling too. a guy like ron paul defintely is a breath of fresh air for change. I'm very very pleasantly surprised to see the amount of support he is getting even with almost ZERO support from the media. Americans seem to be figuring it out. keep up the good fight.

    Ron Paul is my man. If he gets elected then I will put my AK-47s back into storage :)
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    A little Rudy memorabilia: http://www.youtube.com/v/fqG8WOZvO-M&rel=1

    I wonder how accurate this comment is?

    "What did Giuliani really do as New York Mayor? He placed a pair of cops on every other corner & sent the city into a major deficit! He got rid of the squeegee bums! I know. I'm a New Yorker I watched; we have the highest taxes in the country! He turned out new Police recruits like crazy. NY is like a Police State, now every Town ship in every County there's local and State Police out stopping motorists, ticketing, raising revenues.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Mestophar wrote:
    Hyper sensational to get people to read the diatribe, or prediction of the events that will get Giuliani elected?


    NEW YORK — A majority of Americans say they would feel more comfortable with Rudy Giuliani in the White House than Hillary Clinton if another terrorist attack were to happen in the United States, according to a new FOX News poll.....

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296714,00.html
    Looks like another cheezy foxnews poll that Ron Paul wasn't included in. Seriously, fox should just put the word terror in their name.

    So...do you get a terrorist attack before the election and end up with a war-mongering president?
    Or do you get a dem president (or even, if the stars align, Ron Paul)......and an attack in about 2010/2011, while the nomination debates are starting up...so that everyone can call the dems (or RP) soft on terror....opening the door for a tough-on-terrorism candidate... that will go finish the job that his father and brother before him could not. When does that Mayan calendar end? ;)
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I'm confused.. do the Giuliani fans WANT us to be attacked again???
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Cosmo wrote:
    I'm confused.. do the Giuliani fans WANT us to be attacked again???
    ;)
    They're probably thinking....if only we could have a LITTLE attack against us now....just big enough for people to vote ol' Rudy in....then at least if a BIG attack happens, he'll keep us safe :D
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Drowned Out wrote:
    ;)
    They're probably thinking....if only we could have a LITTLE attack against us now....just big enough for people to vote ol' Rudy in....then at least if a BIG attack happens, he'll keep us safe :D

    I found the perfect song for Guiliani's campaign



    Don't fret precious I'm here, step away from the window
    Go back to sleep

    Lay your head down child
    I won't let the boogeyman come

    Counting bodies like sheep
    To the rhythm of the war drums

    Pay no mind to the rabble
    Pay no mind to the rabble

    Head down, go to sleep
    To the rhythm of the war drums

    Pay no mind what other voices say
    They don't care about you, like I do, like I do
    Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils,
    See, they don't give a fuck about you, like I do.

    Just stay with me, safe and ignorant,
    Go back to sleep
    Go back to sleep

    Lay your head down child
    I won't let the boogeyman come
    Count the bodies like sheep
    To the rhythm of the war drums

    Pay no mind to the rabble
    Pay no mind to the rabble

    Head down, go to sleep to the rhythm of the war drums

    I'll be the one to protect you from
    Your enemies and all your demons

    I'll be the one to protect you from
    A will to survive and a voice of reason

    I'll be the one to protect you from
    Your enemies and your choices son
    They're one in the same
    I must isolate you
    Isolate and save you from yourself

    Swayin to the rhythm of the new world order and
    Count the bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums

    The boogeymen are coming
    The boogeymen are coming

    Keep your head down, go to sleep, to the rhythm of a war drums

    Stay with me
    Safe and ignorant
    Just stay with me
    Hold you and protect you from the other ones
    The evil ones
    Don't love you son,
    Go back to sleep
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    More beautiful Rudy moments.

    worth clicking just for the pic
    http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/10/23/giuliani-employs-accused-pedophile-priest/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • hodge
    hodge Posts: 519
    $9.11

    Lol
    ..and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Overdosed on Prozac deer in the headlights Rudy:

    http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/news.aol.com/political-machine/media/2007/10/77351968.jpg
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • hodge
    hodge Posts: 519
    *takes phone call from wife*
    ..and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Giuliani is pulling for the Red Sox. He is a traitor and a pandering lil bitch.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    MrSmith wrote:
    Giuliani is pulling for the Red Sox. He is a traitor and a pandering lil bitch.
    ...
    Next thing you know... he'll be rooting for the damn Al Qaedas.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!

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