Giuliani has his fingers crossed!

Yoyoyo
Yoyoyo Posts: 310
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
Hyper sensational to get people to read the diatribe, or prediction of the events that will get Giuliani elected?


NEW YORK — A majority of Americans say they would feel more comfortable with Rudy Giuliani in the White House than Hillary Clinton if another terrorist attack were to happen in the United States, according to a new FOX News poll.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296714,00.html
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I doubt this is the case. Rudy doesn't know much of anything.

    Then I saw it was a Fox news poll.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I'd be terrified if Giuliani were president, terrorist attack or not! The man is an idiot, and I'm not quite sure he's entirely sane either.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'd be terrified if Giuliani were president, terrorist attack or not! The man is an idiot, and I'm not quite sure he's entirely sane either.


    why is he an idiot? just curious. As a New Yorker I have a lot of respect for what he did while he was here.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    edvedder913 wrote:
    why is he an idiot? just curious. As a New Yorker I have a lot of respect for what he did while he was here.

    As another New Yorker I respect the fact that Rudy cleaned up the streets but I do not want him in the White House. The man is basically Bush without the bible thumping. Besides Bloomberg is twice the mayor Rudy was or ever could be.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    mammasan wrote:
    As another New Yorker I respect the fact that Rudy cleaned up the streets but I do not want him in the White House. The man is basically Bush without the bible thumping. Besides Bloomberg is twice the mayor Rudy was or ever could be.


    we all have opinions, and rights to them. I couldn't disagree more about Bloomberg.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    edvedder913 wrote:
    we all have opinions, and rights to them. I couldn't disagree more about Bloomberg.

    That's cool.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    As another New Yorker I respect the fact that Rudy cleaned up the streets but I do not want him in the White House. The man is basically Bush without the bible thumping. Besides Bloomberg is twice the mayor Rudy was or ever could be.

    i'm not a new yorker but rudy seemed to do ALOT of good for new york. he defintely made it a safer place. was excellent at fighting crime and just making it a better city in general. (in the 80s and 90s) and also did a great job on 9/11. I don't know much about bloomberg though. he kinda seems like a wall street stiff.

    as for rudy in the white house? nah, I'll pass. I don't think he has the american people first. too much big business in his pocket.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    i'm not a new yorker but rudy seemed to do ALOT of good for new york. he defintely made it a safer place. was excellent at fighting crime and just making it a better city in general. (in the 80s and 90s) and also did a great job on 9/11. I don't know much about bloomberg though. he kinda seems like a wall street stiff.

    as for rudy in the white house? nah, I'll pass. I don't think he has the american people first. too much big business in his pocket.

    Don't get me wrong Rudy did do a lot for NYC. I'm not trying to down play his achievements. As far as 9/11 he did his job as any other decent mayor in his place would have done. What do people think that if another mayor was in office that the keys to NYC would have been mailed to Al Qaida? And I agree with you that Rudy belongs to big business.

    Bloomberg is a wall street stiff and he has taken his business experience and applied it to NYC. That is why spending is down in NYC. The schools are preforming way better under Bloomberg than under Rudy. Crime has decreased even more under Bloomberg without the racial tensions that existed during Guiliani's run. Bloomberg is leading the city into a new more environmentally friendly phase. He is try, and succeeding in cutting the city's carbon footprint.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I think Rudy looked better on TV than in real life for the 9/11 thing. He had sympathy, agreement, and support from everyone across the board at the time.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    cool. bloomberg sounds like good stuff. I did always respect him when he took a salary of $1. not that mayors make all that much anyway and he is a billionaire, not I thought it was a cool thing to do.

    as for this poll, what a stupid thing to even poll about. its a very misleading question. of course people are going to vote (in this poll) for someone who actually was in charge when a terrorists attack happened.

    its like asking who would you rather consult about child birth, Hilary or Rudy.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    edvedder913 wrote:
    why is he an idiot? just curious. As a New Yorker I have a lot of respect for what he did while he was here.
    I'm not a New Yorker, so I'm not counting his performance as mayor since I don't know much about it (obviously, if he became someone I was seriously considering voting for, I'd research his time as mayor). I'm just going by his performance in this campaign so far.

    "Idiot" I'm basing on various comments he's made. I'm not going to look them all up .... I doubt you'd agree it was idiotic, so we'd be right back where we started anyway.

    I am very glad he didn't have presidential powers on 9/11. He comes across as even more trigger-happy than Bush, and I would want someone who'd take a more thoughtful approach. Yeah, I would feel better with Clinton than Giuliani, and I am far from a Clinton supporter. But if those are my only two choices, then yeah.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm not a New Yorker, so I'm not counting his performance as mayor since I don't know much about it (obviously, if he became someone I was seriously considering voting for, I'd research his time as mayor). I'm just going by his performance in this campaign so far.

    "Idiot" I'm basing on various comments he's made. I'm not going to look them all up .... I doubt you'd agree it was idiotic, so we'd be right back where we started anyway.

    I am very glad he didn't have presidential powers on 9/11. He comes across as even more trigger-happy than Bush, and I would want someone who'd take a more thoughtful approach. Yeah, I would feel better with Clinton than Giuliani, and I am far from a Clinton supporter. But if those are my only two choices, then yeah.


    If Clinton and Guiliani are the best we have to offer I think it would be time to consider armed revolution or relocating to another country.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    If Clinton and Guiliani are the best we have to offer I think it would be time to consider armed revolution or relocating to another country.

    geez, come on mamma, thats kinda extreme. considering there is a good chance (based on todays polls) that it may very well come down to them.

    i'm far from happy with that too but I would never consider leaving. and I would hope your armed revolution comment is just a extreme exaggeration
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    mammasan wrote:
    If Clinton and Guiliani are the best we have to offer I think it would be time to consider armed revolution or relocating to another country.
    I've considered leaving, but everyone I love is here, I couldn't bring myself to do it.

    I'm nowhere near healthy enough to participate in an armed revolution, so I can't back that. Personally, I don't think we've quite hit the point where that's warranted, although we're certainly headed in that direction.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sigh, I cringe at the thought of americans actually considering an armed revolution. we are better then that.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    geez, come on mamma, thats kinda extreme. considering there is a good chance (based on todays polls) that it may very well come down to them.

    i'm far from happy with that too but I would never consider leaving. and I would hope your armed revolution comment is just a extreme exaggeration

    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

    That's from the Declaration of Independence and I firmly believe that once our government no longer represents the best interest of the people it is time to abolish it and start a new. I would prefer a peacefull transition but would not rule out using force.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

    That's from the Declaration of Independence and I firmly believe that once our government no longer represents the best interest of the people it is time to abolish it and start a new. I would prefer a peacefull transition but would not rule out using force.

    well these people we are talking about will be voted in. that means millions of americans actually want one of these people to be president. sadly its true. hilary has huge support right now. rudy too.

    I think the DOI quote you mentioned is designed for when someone enters the presidency through force or in some rogue way.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well these people we are talking about will be voted in. that means millions of americans actually want one of these people to be president. sadly its true. hilary has huge support right now. rudy too.

    I think the DOI quote you mentioned is designed for when someone enters the presidency through force or in some rogue way.

    Here is the whole section.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government."

    It states nothing of a rogue president seizing power.

    Yes there are plenty of people who support Hillary and Rudy but the majority of Americans have simply become disillusioned with our political process and simply don't vote. That is why we get the shitty elected officials we do, not because they garner over whelming support.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I know it actually doesn't say that but I think that what's its designed for. thats just my interpretation. just because I don't like the candidates doesnt mean I'm going to start shooting up the place.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I know it actually doesn't say that but I think that what's its designed for. thats just my interpretation. just because I don't like the candidates doesnt mean I'm going to start shooting up the place.

    I don't advocate that either but we have lost control of our government. They no longer function in our best interest. They spend our money without any sense of responsibility, they have depreciated our currency, engaged in illegal and uneccessary actions over seas which have put the citizens in harms way, they pass laws and under take actions which that do not serve the best interest of the public at large, and they basically wipe their ass with the document that outlines the principles they swore to protect and uphold. Our voice has been muzzled and our liberties are slowely being eroded. Our government, not the form of government, is an absolute failure. It is time for a change and as much as I hate violence I don't see how we can effectively abolish our existing government and erect a new one without force.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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