Giuliani has his fingers crossed!
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Hyper sensational to get people to read the diatribe, or prediction of the events that will get Giuliani elected?
NEW YORK — A majority of Americans say they would feel more comfortable with Rudy Giuliani in the White House than Hillary Clinton if another terrorist attack were to happen in the United States, according to a new FOX News poll.....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296714,00.html
NEW YORK — A majority of Americans say they would feel more comfortable with Rudy Giuliani in the White House than Hillary Clinton if another terrorist attack were to happen in the United States, according to a new FOX News poll.....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296714,00.html
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Then I saw it was a Fox news poll.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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why is he an idiot? just curious. As a New Yorker I have a lot of respect for what he did while he was here.
As another New Yorker I respect the fact that Rudy cleaned up the streets but I do not want him in the White House. The man is basically Bush without the bible thumping. Besides Bloomberg is twice the mayor Rudy was or ever could be.
we all have opinions, and rights to them. I couldn't disagree more about Bloomberg.
That's cool.
i'm not a new yorker but rudy seemed to do ALOT of good for new york. he defintely made it a safer place. was excellent at fighting crime and just making it a better city in general. (in the 80s and 90s) and also did a great job on 9/11. I don't know much about bloomberg though. he kinda seems like a wall street stiff.
as for rudy in the white house? nah, I'll pass. I don't think he has the american people first. too much big business in his pocket.
Don't get me wrong Rudy did do a lot for NYC. I'm not trying to down play his achievements. As far as 9/11 he did his job as any other decent mayor in his place would have done. What do people think that if another mayor was in office that the keys to NYC would have been mailed to Al Qaida? And I agree with you that Rudy belongs to big business.
Bloomberg is a wall street stiff and he has taken his business experience and applied it to NYC. That is why spending is down in NYC. The schools are preforming way better under Bloomberg than under Rudy. Crime has decreased even more under Bloomberg without the racial tensions that existed during Guiliani's run. Bloomberg is leading the city into a new more environmentally friendly phase. He is try, and succeeding in cutting the city's carbon footprint.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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as for this poll, what a stupid thing to even poll about. its a very misleading question. of course people are going to vote (in this poll) for someone who actually was in charge when a terrorists attack happened.
its like asking who would you rather consult about child birth, Hilary or Rudy.
"Idiot" I'm basing on various comments he's made. I'm not going to look them all up .... I doubt you'd agree it was idiotic, so we'd be right back where we started anyway.
I am very glad he didn't have presidential powers on 9/11. He comes across as even more trigger-happy than Bush, and I would want someone who'd take a more thoughtful approach. Yeah, I would feel better with Clinton than Giuliani, and I am far from a Clinton supporter. But if those are my only two choices, then yeah.
If Clinton and Guiliani are the best we have to offer I think it would be time to consider armed revolution or relocating to another country.
geez, come on mamma, thats kinda extreme. considering there is a good chance (based on todays polls) that it may very well come down to them.
i'm far from happy with that too but I would never consider leaving. and I would hope your armed revolution comment is just a extreme exaggeration
I'm nowhere near healthy enough to participate in an armed revolution, so I can't back that. Personally, I don't think we've quite hit the point where that's warranted, although we're certainly headed in that direction.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"
That's from the Declaration of Independence and I firmly believe that once our government no longer represents the best interest of the people it is time to abolish it and start a new. I would prefer a peacefull transition but would not rule out using force.
well these people we are talking about will be voted in. that means millions of americans actually want one of these people to be president. sadly its true. hilary has huge support right now. rudy too.
I think the DOI quote you mentioned is designed for when someone enters the presidency through force or in some rogue way.
Here is the whole section.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government."
It states nothing of a rogue president seizing power.
Yes there are plenty of people who support Hillary and Rudy but the majority of Americans have simply become disillusioned with our political process and simply don't vote. That is why we get the shitty elected officials we do, not because they garner over whelming support.
I don't advocate that either but we have lost control of our government. They no longer function in our best interest. They spend our money without any sense of responsibility, they have depreciated our currency, engaged in illegal and uneccessary actions over seas which have put the citizens in harms way, they pass laws and under take actions which that do not serve the best interest of the public at large, and they basically wipe their ass with the document that outlines the principles they swore to protect and uphold. Our voice has been muzzled and our liberties are slowely being eroded. Our government, not the form of government, is an absolute failure. It is time for a change and as much as I hate violence I don't see how we can effectively abolish our existing government and erect a new one without force.
That is what is scary... 60+ million people will actually choose one of these candidates.... But I wonder how many people actually vote for one of them and not just against the other one...
I'll definitely vote for a different candidate in the primary, but sad to say that if it comes down to those two in the general, I might just vote for Hilary *cringe*, so Guiliani doesn't get elected. I'd probably have to go home and take a shower after pulling that lever, and at that point feel like an armed revolution might not be all that bad of an idea...
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I can't really argue with you here. but I do believe things will get better when Bush (and cheney, rice, etc..) leaves regardless of who comes in. I just dont ever see force being an option unless that person in office used for to get there.
but mamma, you would be outraged if you saw what is going on in chicago. more specifically Cook County. (Chicago's county).
we recently elected a new cook county board president who is the most corrupt fucking asshole on the planet. he is doing the complete opposite of everything he said in his campaign. he is the son of the former board president too. has already been caught giving jobs to other family members. wants to raise taxs after running on a "lower taxes campaign"
CTA (chicago transit authority, buses and trains) is on the brink of shutting down because of lack of funding from the state and a poorly planned budget. talk about not acting in the best interest of the people. almost brings me to tears sometimes. its bad.
I still have not considered leaving chicago or this country or use force to get what I think is right. its tough times politically right now, but I try to remain an optimist.
great. I still don't see the need to use violence against the american government to get what we want.
Hey your talking to a New Jerseyian. I live in the politically corrupt capital of the US. If our politicians aren't corrupt we don't elect them here.
Trust me the last thing I would like to see is Americans fighting Americans. I'm not advocating another Civil War but we, as a country, are heading in the wrong direction. Bush & Co. are a small part of the problem. The big problem is that policy, both domestic and foreign, is being dictated by think tanks, lobbiest, and special interest groups none of which are elected officials who are supposed to be held accoutable to the electorate. We need to seize control of the reigns from these people. We can't do it through electing honest politicians because there really are none and the one's that exist are muzzled by the media. The next administration may not aggressively attack another nation but they will continue to serve the same people that the last several administrations have, not the people.
At the national level, most people don't think that an individual citizen can have any effect unless they're filthy rich. They're right. The whole system has been bought and paid for, and we're not getting in, no matter how good our ideas are or how hard we're willing to work. Once in a while an outsider can get in, either by getting elected (Kucinich, for example), or by working for a winner's campaign and getting an appointed post, but they soon find that they can't get anything accomplished without compromising every ideal they ever had.
hey I thought Chicago had that title
Ron Paul is my man. If he gets elected then I will put my AK-47s back into storage
I wonder how accurate this comment is?
"What did Giuliani really do as New York Mayor? He placed a pair of cops on every other corner & sent the city into a major deficit! He got rid of the squeegee bums! I know. I'm a New Yorker I watched; we have the highest taxes in the country! He turned out new Police recruits like crazy. NY is like a Police State, now every Town ship in every County there's local and State Police out stopping motorists, ticketing, raising revenues.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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