This election bores me... Tweedle Dum vs TweedleDee

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  • panthergirl
    panthergirl Posts: 469
    MrSmith wrote:
    i know nothing about the OP and dont care to follow anything he does or says. but i know he is a terrorist who hates our freedom.


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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Great Post.

    Unfortunately, the people that make statements such as the OP would rather sit back and bitch how the system is broken and how both candidates are the same rather than actually do the obvious research to inform themselves otherwise.

    It's such a lazy lame excuse and why we get dealt 8 years of Bush.


    we had coffee the other day and talked, right? Didnt we have classes together? I know you somehow, otherwise why would you presume to know me and my past and my activism or lack thereof, right?

    I have done my research. I dont have to justify what actions I have taken. From 2001-2006 or so, I lived breathed and slept activism. I contributed money and attended protests. I joined clubs and organizations, I spread the word. I read tons of books. Any protest locally i went to. I volunteered at local organizations. And I spent time, albeit brief time, trying out a new way of live, an alternative lifestyle, living in a commune-took a bus by myself first time outside of oregon, wash or cali, all the way to virginia, didnt know anyone in the state or the commune. So to suggest I am ignorant, not active and am some armchair revolutionary, is so beyond rude and asinine it almost doesnt even merit comment.

    Thats whats so funny about the system. To be pissed off about the 2 parties and not want to vote is THE LARGEST voting bloc in the u.s. 120 million people dont vote every four years. Thats half the population. The reasons for this are varied, but you can bet, the mundane, boring, sameness of every candidate, party and election plays a huge role.

    I stated what i wanted in a candidate. Obama and Mccain dont provide me with those. So what am I supposed to do, pal? I will never vote for the lesser of two evils. I dont live like that and never will. I vote my conscience, I live my conscience.

    My view of activism has changed. If you listen to Avocado you realize PJ's view changed as well. Ultimately the album concludes, to fight the world, to change the world, one must FIRST find onesself and to work on yourself. Inside Job is all about that. So are you willing to come out Gonzo and call Mike uninformed as well. Cause thats what he is suggesting in that song. He isnt advocating voting. He is advocating taking time to work on onesself.

    I love how everyone on this board acts like they know everyone else. It would be wise Gonzo in the future, to ask a question rather than throwing ridiculous insults.

    Where am I wrong Gonzo. You have cotton in your ears or are on LSD, if you think obama will end the war. He isnt a pacifist. He has stated he will invade afghanistan. He has said he will continue the war with vigor. How is voting for him any better than not voting at all?

    Two sides of the same coin.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Speakers wrote:
    The OP sounds like Sarah Palin to me.


    Who do you soundlike? How does a radical commie like myself who believes in bringing down the system sound like sarah palin? She hates people like me.

    Apparently this board is also a Obama hate free zone. Anyone who questions thy lord Obama is bashed.

    Very cool guys!
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    So your willing to suggest that american capitalism and expansionism differs under each parties administration?

    There has never been a president, who has questioned america's expansionism, or capitalism or the free market or imperialism. Every president has believed that oil is our divine right and that it needs to be obtained.

    What have the Dems done since 2006 to end the war? They have been in power since then. Pelosi and Reid have publicly laughed and scoffed at those who have demanded they call for bush's impeachment and an end to the war.

    So you tell me, how are the parties different?

    My position has always been, a radical deserves radical. So a radical Bush administration can ONLY be balanced out by a radical left wing presidency.

    Obama is many things. One thing he will NEVER be is radical.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    :o
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    radiohead33 wrote:
    Obama is many things. One thing he will NEVER be is radical.

    Tell that to the right.
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    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Tell that to the right.


    I will continue the war on terror with vigor-obama newsweek this year.


    If anything thats radical right propoganda that obama speaks.

    I am not an obamamaniac and never will be.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    people only hear what they want to hear. I remember having many arguments with people, and merely quoting Kerry's statements that he would "enlarge the troop size in iraq" as opposed to ending the war.

    Not one of the kerry supporters I talk to would admit this fact. It was a live televised debate in which he uttered it, and people acted like I was suggesting the holocaust never happened or was some town crazy or something.

    The people who worship obama have the facts. They just ignore the pertinant ones.

    I saw Obama on CSpan in 2002 say he was going to be tough on North Korea. To me, this is significant, as it suggests just what I said above. Both parties are the same.

    How is a war in Afghanistan and North Korea and Syria under Obama any different than wars in the mideast under Bush or Mccain?

    The question is rhetorical as there is no difference. Wars are wars. Dead soldiers are dead no matter who controls the armed forces. Salmon are becoming extinct no matter who wins in Nov.

    I have been lied to, too many times to believe anything any politician says. They want our vote. But my vote has never been for sale. it has to be earned.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    radiohead33 wrote:
    we had coffee the other day and talked, right? Didnt we have classes together? I know you somehow, otherwise why would you presume to know me and my past and my activism or lack thereof, right?

    I have done my research. I dont have to justify what actions I have taken. From 2001-2006 or so, I lived breathed and slept activism. I contributed money and attended protests. I joined clubs and organizations, I spread the word. I read tons of books. Any protest locally i went to. I volunteered at local organizations. And I spent time, albeit brief time, trying out a new way of live, an alternative lifestyle, living in a commune-took a bus by myself first time outside of oregon, wash or cali, all the way to virginia, didnt know anyone in the state or the commune. So to suggest I am ignorant, not active and am some armchair revolutionary, is so beyond rude and asinine it almost doesnt even merit comment.

    Thats whats so funny about the system. To be pissed off about the 2 parties and not want to vote is THE LARGEST voting bloc in the u.s. 120 million people dont vote every four years. Thats half the population. The reasons for this are varied, but you can bet, the mundane, boring, sameness of every candidate, party and election plays a huge role.

    I stated what i wanted in a candidate. Obama and Mccain dont provide me with those. So what am I supposed to do, pal? I will never vote for the lesser of two evils. I dont live like that and never will. I vote my conscience, I live my conscience.

    My view of activism has changed. If you listen to Avocado you realize PJ's view changed as well. Ultimately the album concludes, to fight the world, to change the world, one must FIRST find onesself and to work on yourself. Inside Job is all about that. So are you willing to come out Gonzo and call Mike uninformed as well. Cause thats what he is suggesting in that song. He isnt advocating voting. He is advocating taking time to work on onesself.

    I love how everyone on this board acts like they know everyone else. It would be wise Gonzo in the future, to ask a question rather than throwing ridiculous insults.

    Where am I wrong Gonzo. You have cotton in your ears or are on LSD, if you think obama will end the war. He isnt a pacifist. He has stated he will invade afghanistan. He has said he will continue the war with vigor. How is voting for him any better than not voting at all?

    Two sides of the same coin.

    I don't get it...you rant and rave in this post yet you began with:
    you wrote:
    I havent viewed one major speech by obama, mccain, palin or biden. I havent seen any of the debates. I havent followed it. And frankly I could care less.

    you sound like your coin has two very conflicted sides....
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    radiohead33 wrote:
    we had coffee the other day and talked, right? Didnt we have classes together? I know you somehow, otherwise why would you presume to know me and my past and my activism or lack thereof, right?

    I have done my research. I dont have to justify what actions I have taken. From 2001-2006 or so, I lived breathed and slept activism. I contributed money and attended protests. I joined clubs and organizations, I spread the word. I read tons of books. Any protest locally i went to. I volunteered at local organizations. And I spent time, albeit brief time, trying out a new way of live, an alternative lifestyle, living in a commune-took a bus by myself first time outside of oregon, wash or cali, all the way to virginia, didnt know anyone in the state or the commune. So to suggest I am ignorant, not active and am some armchair revolutionary, is so beyond rude and asinine it almost doesnt even merit comment.

    Thats whats so funny about the system. To be pissed off about the 2 parties and not want to vote is THE LARGEST voting bloc in the u.s. 120 million people dont vote every four years. Thats half the population. The reasons for this are varied, but you can bet, the mundane, boring, sameness of every candidate, party and election plays a huge role.

    I stated what i wanted in a candidate. Obama and Mccain dont provide me with those. So what am I supposed to do, pal? I will never vote for the lesser of two evils. I dont live like that and never will. I vote my conscience, I live my conscience.

    My view of activism has changed. If you listen to Avocado you realize PJ's view changed as well. Ultimately the album concludes, to fight the world, to change the world, one must FIRST find onesself and to work on yourself. Inside Job is all about that. So are you willing to come out Gonzo and call Mike uninformed as well. Cause thats what he is suggesting in that song. He isnt advocating voting. He is advocating taking time to work on onesself.

    I love how everyone on this board acts like they know everyone else. It would be wise Gonzo in the future, to ask a question rather than throwing ridiculous insults.

    Where am I wrong Gonzo. You have cotton in your ears or are on LSD, if you think obama will end the war. He isnt a pacifist. He has stated he will invade afghanistan. He has said he will continue the war with vigor. How is voting for him any better than not voting at all?

    Two sides of the same coin.

    An activist that doesn't vote???? It's kind of like farting in the wind isn't it?

    I'm sorry I don't hear anything in "Inside Job" about not voting. Perhaps you can point me to a lyric in the song that I'm missing.

    I comend you for your activisim and your alternative lifestyle It takes alot of guts and self determination to live off the grid.

    That being said. I believe that you are completly mis-informed in your statement that Obama and McCain are the same person and that this election is irrelevant. These men have very very obvious differences.

    Iraq is a large difference.

    Obama wants out...McCain wants to stay there for 100 YEARS !!!

    You may not agree with Obama on alot of issues; Afghanistan being one of them and I'm right there with you. And believe me if and when he get's elected I'm going to do my very best to make sure my voice is heard on my disent towards that approach.

    You see the battle doesn't stop after election day and when our guy gets elected. It's then up to everyone who voted for him to take him to task. .

    In a perfect world all of our candidates for Presidency would stand for all the issues that we care about and not just some of them some of the time.

    But we don't live in a perfect world. We have to fight for that. We've got to win small battles before we can win that war.

    Revolutions take a LONG TIME. It's a very long and HARD road. They happen over winning small victories.

    This Election is one of those small battles that we've got to win if we are going to step in the right direction.

    How are we ever going to get to that Utopian world that you and your friends on the commune can so clearly see if we don't take the small steps to move in that direction??

    Obama and McCain represent two very distinct directions that this country could take in the next 4 years.

    If you don't participate in voting locally and at the Federal level

    YOU ARE NOT HELPING

    and You'll be waiting a lifetime for these changes or worst yet....You'll be dealt 8 YEARS OF BUSH (whom I'm sure you despise as much as me)

    Do you think Womens rights, African American rights, happend overnight? Do you think these battles were easy?

    They didn't happen by all the buildings we set fire to, riots we caused, and angry agressive revolutionary acts that radicals seem to think will make these changes come quickly and make evil go away.

    I got news for you...That only pisses the enemey off and scares the rest of the people away...It's only masturbation for the people that are already on your side. It doesn't win and sure as fuck don't change peoples minds.

    You can protest all you want, but if you don't vote and take part in the process that actually brings free-thinking leaders into power than you are not doing enough. Plain and simple

    You'll always be bitching about the world and wondering why it never changes.

    Do you think MLK didn't vote??

    You can bet your ass he voted.

    I'm sorry but I pitty the 120 million idiots out there that choose not to vote. Because of a misguided, ignorant distrust of politicians.

    There is no excuse for this.

    Ever.
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    Mike McCready isn't advocating voting? Better tell that to the organizers of this event: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305671

    Also I'm pretty sure Obama isn't saying we should invade Afghanistan.....seeing as how we've been fighting a war there for years.

    The people who don't vote are completely irrelevant. They have no institutional power because they choose not to. Ultimately I could care less.

    You insist that both parties are the same but you don't really mention anything besides foreign policy (and trade I guess. Going back to a pre-Nafta/bretton woods world would be like going to a pre-roe v wade world, not gonna happen). You refuse to acknowledge any of the differences the two parties have on a host issues, several of which I mentioned. If Healthcare, Education, Taxes - whatever - aren't important to you, thats fine. But to act like they don't exist, and that Republicans and Democrats don't come down on very different sides of those issues is just juvenile.
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  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Gonzo1977 wrote:

    Obama wants out...McCain wants to stay there for 100 YEARS !!!

    Small point ... can the Obama supporters (which I am one of) please stop using this? It's silly.

    McCain does not want to be at war for 100 years. He made a point about the US having troops in countries for a long time, but not in a fighting sense ...

    Again, McCain doesn't want to be at war for 100 years, and when you use this line, it discredits much of you have to say because people focus in on it.

    ... continue ...
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  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    Yeah, I agree with that.

    That being said I think McCain's temperament could land us in a war that would last 100 years. Just sayin'

    jimed14 wrote:
    Small point ... can the Obama supporters (which I am one of) please stop using this? It's silly.

    McCain does not want to be at war for 100 years. He made a point about the US having troops in countries for a long time, but not in a fighting sense ...

    Again, McCain doesn't want to be at war for 100 years, and when you use this line, it discredits much of you have to say because people focus in on it.

    ... continue ...
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    jimed14 wrote:
    Small point ... can the Obama supporters (which I am one of) please stop using this? It's silly.

    McCain does not want to be at war for 100 years. He made a point about the US having troops in countries for a long time, but not in a fighting sense ...

    Again, McCain doesn't want to be at war for 100 years, and when you use this line, it discredits much of you have to say because people focus in on it.

    ... continue ...


    Oh...I'm sorry...I apologize

    John McCain wants to be in Iraq until we have won the war on terror.

    Hmmm

    I guess we are going to be in Iraq for a long long time. 100 years is being optomistic.
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Oh...I'm sorry...I apologize

    John McCain wants to be in Iraq until we have won the war on terror.

    Hmmm

    I guess we are going to be in Iraq for a long long time. 100 years is being optomistic.


    ok, if you want to say he is a win at all costs kind of guy which scares you, that's a defensable point ... as I just posted elsewhere ...

    jimed14 wrote:
    well, McCain does mention "Victory" a lot ... so much so that the McCain campaign's stump speeches are VERY harsh on Barack Obama for not using the word "victory" ... then they couple Obama's failure to use the word victory with his nay vote on the funding bill with no timeline to question his patriotism.

    But McCain feels the need to claim "Victory", he's said it, over and over ... yet, the leader of our forces, General Petraeus has said flat out, he never would use the term "victory" in Iraq ...

    "This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan"

    video included ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    fragileblake wrote:
    Mike McCready isn't advocating voting? Better tell that to the organizers of this event: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=305671

    Also I'm pretty sure Obama isn't saying we should invade Afghanistan.....seeing as how we've been fighting a war there for years.

    The people who don't vote are completely irrelevant. They have no institutional power because they choose not to. Ultimately I could care less.

    You insist that both parties are the same but you don't really mention anything besides foreign policy (and trade I guess. Going back to a pre-Nafta/bretton woods world would be like going to a pre-roe v wade world, not gonna happen). You refuse to acknowledge any of the differences the two parties have on a host issues, several of which I mentioned. If Healthcare, Education, Taxes - whatever - aren't important to you, thats fine. But to act like they don't exist, and that Republicans and Democrats don't come down on very different sides of those issues is just juvenile.


    I just meant, the entire album is about ways to deal with war and the world. Defiance and living in the now-life wasted, being so stressed out you have trouble sleeping-unemployable, drugs-severed hand, and finally inside job describes knowing the only way to change things is through changing yourself, and knowing "its an inside job" today, as opposed to fighting the world's injustices.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    radiohead33 wrote:
    I just meant, the entire album is about ways to deal with war and the world. Defiance and living in the now-life wasted, being so stressed out you have trouble sleeping-unemployable, drugs-severed hand, and finally inside job describes knowing the only way to change things is through changing yourself, and knowing "its an inside job" today, as opposed to fighting the world's injustices.
    Oh jesus, I never thought I'd end up using such an inane band to quote in a situation like this but here goes:

    "Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock n' roll band and throw it all away"

    Anyone who bases political decisions on the opinions held and themes discussed by a rock band shouldn't be allowed a vote. It's somewhat more important than that.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • writersu
    writersu Posts: 1,867
    fragileblake wrote:
    Wow "forced to watch"? Does your TV not have a remote with an off button or something?


    well, I was just wanting the tv on at the time. it was evening and that is the only time I really have it on and I was upset that unless I wanted to go on the ondemand thing and pick a movie or show, I was forced to listen to this. I was more listening than watching. It was like background noise.

    yeah, I could have turned it off.
    Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......


    Together we will float like angels.........

    In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Anyone who bases political decisions on the opinions held and themes discussed by a rock band shouldn't be allowed a vote. It's somewhat more important than that.


    FUCKIN' A!!!!
  • Vince
    Vince Posts: 174
    radiohead33 wrote:
    I havent viewed one major speech by obama, mccain, palin or biden. I havent seen any of the debates. I havent followed it. And frankly I could care less.

    Two sides of the same coin. Both parties are the same. Our brothers and sisters will fight in an unjust war under a Obama Biden or Mccain palin administration. Its just the way it is. Either its in Iraq or Afghanistan. Stop losses will continue. You really think you can convince soldiers who have come home and gone back to combat 4 or 5 times, to go and fight in Afghanistan? I think not. Its the same phoney immoral war. Just a different country and battlefield.

    Its almost comical how easy it is to say right on things. Ed or Bruce or Neil do it all the time. Yet these politicians, these ones running, continue to weasle, lie, and go straight down the middle.

    In the end, one party loses, one potential administration will not get to rule. But overall we all lose. We all lose out on a chance to end this war. A chance to get rid of NAFTA and the WTo. A chance to save the environment. A chance. Whats funny is everyone got suckered into a change.

    Nothing changes, if Obama or Mccain wins. Wars will still rage. The environment will still be nearing depletion. Meanwhile some people take action...

    Vote for Nader and wallow in your misery.
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