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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    darthvedder81 wrote:
    I'd like him to be more Pro-Life but his idea of returning that jurisdiction to the states' is probably the most practical way to go at this point in time.

    If "practical" is part of the thought process here, then you've missed the whole message that IS ron paul.

    Dr. Paul, the ob\gyn, is actualy very much personaly pro-life ... he thinks its a great harm to a living being ... HOWEVER ... Ron Paul is an honest CONSTITUTIONAL man, and his decision to turn abortion rights over to the state is not rooted in his personal world view... it's rooted in the forgoten constitution of our great land!

    "Federal Law" is something foreign to the constitution outside of counterfeiting, treason, and crimes upon the high seas. Ron Paul seeks to get away from Federal rule at any turn he can shake it. Abortion is no exception.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    If "practical" is part of the thought process here, then you've missed the whole message that IS ron paul.

    Dr. Paul, the ob\gyn, is actualy very much personaly pro-life ... he thinks its a great harm to a living being ... HOWEVER ... Ron Paul is an honest CONSTITUTIONAL man, and his decision to turn abortion rights over to the state is not rooted in his personal world view... it's rooted in the forgoten constitution of our great land!

    "Federal Law" is something foreign to the constitution outside of counterfeiting, treason, and crimes upon the high seas. Ron Paul seeks to get away from Federal rule at any turn he can shake it. Abortion is no exception.

    I think both you and Ron Paul need to shake yourself of the antiquity that is the United States Constitution.
    He reveres it as a holy document. I have a problem with that. It was written in such a way that those who would interpret today are as varied and numerous in their interpretation of its words as there are lawyers in America.

    The law of the land has nothing to do anymore with those words written 200 some years ago.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    gue_barium wrote:
    He reveres it as a holy document. I have a problem with that. It was written in such a way that those who would interpret today are as varied and numerous in their interpretation of its words as there are lawyers in America.

    The law of the land has nothing to do anymore with those words written 200 some years ago.

    I think you need to get ahold of your senses, sir.
    The constitution IS the goddamn law of the land.
    Most of it is extremely clear. Your claims of it needing 1000s of lawyers interpretations!?!?! WHAT?

    That we seem to be under the spell of the lawyers themselves, who wish you to accept whatever interpretation best suits their clients is sad, indeed.
    But, that we strayed from it in so many respects is a travesty.

    The fact that you say "The law of the land has nothing to do anymore with those words written 200 some years ago." is one thing.

    That i get a feeling you revel in that statement is all togeather worse.

    I can't believe its come to pass that not only has the entire populace been brainwashed in to complacency and idiocy.

    I REALLY can't belive that EVEN the people whom i believe to be hip to REAL reality are actualy in some sort of state of resignation as well ...

    aww, fuck it, man.
    its only like the goddamn constitution.

    WTF !??!

    WTF !?!
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I think you need to get ahold of your senses, sir.
    The constitution IS the goddamn law of the land.

    That we strayed from it in so many respects is a travesty.

    The fact that you say "The law of the land has nothing to do anymore with those words written 200 some years ago." is one thing.

    That i get a feeling you revel in that statement is all togeather worse.

    I can't believe its come to pass that not only has the entire populace been brainwashed in to complacency and idiocy.

    I REALLY can't belive that EVEN the people whom i believe to be hip to REAL reality are actualy in some sort of state of resignation as well ...

    aww, fuck it, man.
    its only like the goddamn constitution.

    WTF !??!

    WTF !?!

    Listen, man, I'm rootin for the underdog here, but I have an opinion on the man, and he aint all that much, in my opinion. Say he does win this thing and surprises the nation, and the world... how far-reaching do you think this constitution (you like to think of as your own), how far will it go in regaining any sense of constitution at all?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Listen, man, I'm rootin for the underdog here, but I have an opinion on the man, and he aint all that much, in my opinion. Say he does win this thing and surprises the nation, and the world... how far-reaching do you think this constitution (you like to think of as your own), how far will it go in regaining any sense of constitution at all?
    Q: I believe that's a legitimate on-topic question, sir.
    A: It's a realistic question as well. This isn't Constitutional philosophy.
    Q: So, how far will it go?
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  • Boston MA
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I think both you and Ron Paul need to shake yourself of the antiquity that is the United States Constitution.
    He reveres it as a holy document. I have a problem with that. It was written in such a way that those who would interpret today are as varied and numerous in their interpretation of its words as there are lawyers in America.

    The law of the land has nothing to do anymore with those words written 200 some years ago.
    Who cares about government checks and balances! and like whatever about a document that created liberty, prosperity, and freedom, really worth or have to do with us? Government doesn't need any checks and balance! They do a great job, plutocrats, monopoly, rigged markets empire!
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  • Boston MA
    Boston MA Posts: 207
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Latest poll shows Ron at 5%. Certainly not overwhelming support, but a good jump. Plus, looks like Ron's got another $5mil headed into the bank (http://www.ronpaul2008.com). Good stuff.
    He's been polling between 3-8% in NH and that was before this real first week of tv and radio ads that have been airing in NH and Boston, MA (right over the border for NH commuters and bedroom communities). His ads have been noticeable on Boston television. The only other candidate ads I have seen on Boston tv are for Mitt Romney.
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  • gue_barium
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    Boston, MA wrote:
    Who cares about government checks and balances! and like whatever about a document that created liberty, prosperity, and freedom, really worth or have to do with us? Government doesn't need any checks and balance! They do a great job, plutocrats, monopoly, rigged markets empire!
    And somehow capitalism becomes a little less plutocratic, a little less monopolized, a little less rigged with Ron Paul in the White House? Give me a fucking break!

    And for your intellectual information, not one document ever created anything.
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  • darthvedder81
    darthvedder81 Posts: 688
    gue_barium wrote:
    There's no such thing as a war on terrorism. That's modern-day speak for extinguish the savages for profit.

    Well thanks for enlightening me! I will now change my opinion based on your incoherent, conspiritorial ramblings! Terrorism doesn't exist! You did it gue_barium, you did it!
    So this life is sacrifice...
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    gue_barium wrote:
    And for your intellectual information, not one document ever created anything.

    WTF?

    I agree with Boston MA.
    I typed a helluva response last night, but the computer ate it.

    Bottom line, the constitution is responsible for 3 branch government, the invention of the instutitutions called congress and the senate, and the creation of a supreme court.

    We still follow the constitution in a whole lot of proceedural ways. Most of the operations of government still do follow the constitution. It's the places where it is not being followed that are causing the problems -- letting private banks control money supply, income tax, regulation of food and drugs. Let the states do their own fucking jobs, destruction of search and seizure laws, etc.

    I mean come on gue.
    You really argue that it is not the constitution that created these things?

    The great fathers of our country sat down for months\years to come up with the best system possible, and the wrote it down in the constitution.

    Thats what we fucking follow.

    How can you argue that.

    You should see the constitution all around you.
    Sure parts of it have been ignored or abused, but the fundamntal constraints of our government are still very much constitutional!

    And yes, as i tried to say last night, if Ron Paul was allowed to reach the presidency, things WOULD change.

    The outpouring of public support for the new president would create a rally-round-the-flag effect. The message would carry over to congressional elections, and people would vote out career politicians in favor of those that would do something.

    Even more, when was the last time you heard an historic State Of The Union address? Yeah, what year was that, you said? Well I think Dr. Paul would use his pulpit to relay a message of true hope and change to the people. You could add his 2009 speech to the history books, for sure.

    If congress wouldn't play ball, President Paul would get on a goddamn TV prime time address and let the people know what they needed to do to put pressure on the unresponsive parts of the system -- he'd give them a plan for achieving the real & massive change that they elected him to create.

    Hope is infectious, and time is running out for America and the world. 2008 has to be our showdown in the sunset or we're fucked!
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    From Ronpaul2008.com
    Ron Paul on Face the Nation (11/10/07)
    Dr. Paul will be interviewed Sunday morning (Nov. 11) on CBS News' Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer.
    10:30 AM ET

    WOO HOO!
    :D
    Should be
    "GOOD"
    :D

    [fingers crossed!]
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    darthvedder81 wrote:
    Well thanks for enlightening me! I will now change my opinion based on your incoherent, conspiritorial ramblings! Terrorism doesn't exist! You did it gue_barium, you did it!

    Interesting how you edited the 'it was all your fault' to 'you did it' a day later.

    Hmmm.

    To tell you the educated truth darth, terrorism doesn't exist. The world's people have been at war since time immemorial. If you wanna take sides in that battle, you go right ahead. I'll tell you what, though, there are facets in this human existence that belie such a high-minded notion, and in fact the struggle of life goes far beyond simple human disagreements.
    I see an economy and a system that is trying its hardest to replace, god forbid, nature itself. Now think about that for awhile before you reply.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    WTF?

    I agree with Boston MA.
    I typed a helluva response last night, but the computer ate it.

    Bottom line, the constitution is responsible for 3 branch government, the invention of the instutitutions called congress and the senate, and the creation of a supreme court.

    We still follow the constitution in a whole lot of proceedural ways. Most of the operations of government still do follow the constitution. It's the places where it is not being followed that are causing the problems -- letting private banks control money supply, income tax, regulation of food and drugs. Let the states do their own fucking jobs, destruction of search and seizure laws, etc.

    I mean come on gue.
    You really argue that it is not the constitution that created these things?

    The great fathers of our country sat down for months\years to come up with the best system possible, and the wrote it down in the constitution.

    Thats what we fucking follow.

    How can you argue that.

    You should see the constitution all around you.
    Sure parts of it have been ignored or abused, but the fundamntal constraints of our government are still very much constitutional!

    And yes, as i tried to say last night, if Ron Paul was allowed to reach the presidency, things WOULD change.

    The outpouring of public support for the new president would create a rally-round-the-flag effect. The message would carry over to congressional elections, and people would vote out career politicians in favor of those that would do something.

    Even more, when was the last time you heard an historic State Of The Union address? Yeah, what year was that, you said? Well I think Dr. Paul would use his pulpit to relay a message of true hope and change to the people. You could add his 2009 speech to the history books, for sure.

    If congress wouldn't play ball, President Paul would get on a goddamn TV prime time address and let the people know what they needed to do to put pressure on the unresponsive parts of the system -- he'd give them a plan for achieving the real & massive change that they elected him to create.

    Hope is infectious, and time is running out for America and the world. 2008 has to be our showdown in the sunset or we're fucked!

    edit edit
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    huh?
    whyd you dig up my post with "edit edit" commented?

    Don't drag ME in to this!

    :D
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    huh?
    whyd you dig up my post with "edit edit" commented?

    Don't drag ME in to this!

    :D

    For some reason I was thinking you were somebody else... weird thing.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
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    gue_barium wrote:
    For some reason I was thinking you were somebody else... weird thing.
    i get that a lot.
    i am secretly ubiquitous.
    i just don't know it yet, myself.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    More good Ron Paul vids. Man did he ever school Bernake on inflation. Bernake's voice practically trembling with confusion and uncertainty.

    http://noworldsystem.com/2007/11/09/ron-paul-schools-ben-bernanke-again/
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    More good Ron Paul vids. Man did he ever school Bernake on inflation. Bernake's voice practically trembling with confusion and uncertainty.

    http://noworldsystem.com/2007/11/09/ron-paul-schools-ben-bernanke-again/

    Fookin-A.

    That's some good stuff.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    FACE THE NATION mother fuckers!

    :D
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
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