Feminism...

decides2dream · August 2008

Collin wrote:

How do you determine they do more? Well, first of all you look at what they do and what they're paid for: the game. Men play longer. It does mean they do more. A band that plays two hours does more than a band that plays one hour. They play an hour longer.

Say you love two bands equally. They both play Saturday night. Tickets are $60 for both bands. You have to make a choice. You know band A plays 3 hours and you know band B plays 1 hour. A reasonable person would pick band A because band A plays two hours more than band B. You don't say, well, I'm sure both bands spend as much time writing songs, rehearsing... so it doesn't matter.

VERY pooor analogy. i will not pick the band, nor the sporting event, based on duration...i choose based on INTEREST. if band A plays for 3 hours and i can't stnd their music, why would i want to see em? if band B only plays 1 hour but i love em....i WILL pay the same amount of $$$ for less playing time, simply b/c i prefer them. i think the concert scene nowadays proves the same. many, many people pay ridiculous $$$ to see certain artists, regardles of concert duration.

Collin wrote:

Sure, they get the same media attention. But men play longer. That means people stare at their TVs longer, that means they see advertisements longer... More money for the sponsors, more money for the athletes... seems fair and logical, doesn't it?

:rolleyes:

in regards to duration on TV, again, depends...do ratings go up, down or remain stagnant between the mens and the womens matches? it doen't matter how LONG they are on TV, but how many are TUNED IN, watching...in regards to advertising $$$. and even beyond that....advertisers look towards the demographics of those tuned in, and who amongst them spend the $$$, etc. it isn't a truly simple equation of who plays longer. things like sport, entertainment, fashion...none really based on 'merit' sadly...but on $$$. the highest paid actors/actresses not necessarily the 'best'....just those that fill the most seats in the theatres. same with musicians, artists, sports figures, etc. isn't there some really pretty blonde female tennis star, who really...ain't much of a star on the court, but gets some big endorsement $$$ b/c of all else, outside of her tennis scores? tis the same type of deal....

you seem VERY focused on your own perceived injustices of feminism...yet do you not see the 'greater good' feminism set in motion, overall.....and that even today still, fights for the greater good? not saying as an overall organization everything is right and fair.....but the intentions of most, the desires and work made by many...is for good benefit?

Collin · August 2008

decides2dream wrote:

VERY pooor analogy. i will not pick the band, nor the sporting event, based on duration...i choose based on INTEREST. if band A plays for 3 hours and i can't stnd their music, why would i want to see em? if band B only plays 1 hour but i love em....i WILL pay the same amount of $$$ for less playing time, simply b/c i prefer them. i think the concert scene nowadays proves the same. many, many people pay ridiculous $$$ to see certain artists, regardles of concert duration.

You mean great analogy: "Say you love two bands equally."

in regards to duration on TV, again, depends...do ratings go up, down or remain stagnant between the mens and the womens matches? it doen't matter how LONG they are on TV, but how many are TUNED IN, watching...in regards to advertising $$$. and even beyond that....advertisers look towards the demographics of those tuned in, and who amongst them spend the $$$, etc. it isn't a truly simple equation of who plays longer. things like sport, entertainment, fashion...none really based on 'merit' sadly...but on $$$. the highest paid actors/actresses not necessarily the 'best'....just those that fill the most seats in the theatres. same with musicians, artists, sports figures, etc. isn't there some really pretty blonde female tennis star, who really...ain't much of a star on the court, but gets some big endorsement $$$ b/c of all else, outside of her tennis scores? tis the same type of deal....

Men's tennis is more popular than women's tennis. It gets more viewers. Ratings are higher.

you seem VERY focused on your own perceived injustices of feminism...yet do you not see the 'greater good' feminism set in motion, overall.....and that even today still, fights for the greater good? not saying as an overall organization everything is right and fair.....but the intentions of most, the desires and work made by many...is for good benefit?

I already addressed this many times. I will give you the same answer I gave Dan:

:rolleyes:

It's all in this thread. If you don't want to read it, how is that my fault.

_ · August 2008

Collin wrote:

That's not my problem. I think I've made it clear, you don't see it. I'm not going to put any effort in trying to show you that I do know what I claim I know.

It's been all over the news, in the newspapers... everywhere. You could hardly ignore the raging feminists.

And you tell me I don't know everything about feminism. Here's a group doing some serious damage to the feminist public image and you don't even know about it.

This was big. So what do you consider a 'big representative feminist cause' within the Western world?

I'm not in support of feminism in general. Some basics parts of feminism are part of the humanitarian view I subscribe to.

I'm sure there are guys here who think it will prove their masculinity if they can fix cars, kill spiders, be tough all the time and never cry... So what? I'm sure there are girls who like their men to be the stereotype of the strong man as well...

Who cares? If they want to do those things... I'm not going to stop them. It certainly doesn't bother women.

I rarely cry, I rarely kill spiders but I put them outside and I don't show my sensitive side very often (except when I remove spiders ). I don't understand what's wrong with that. I am a silent guy, I don't like to share personal things with people I hardly know... But that's the pressure many guys are feeling and my guess is more and more guys will try to fight this.

I'm not fighting it, though. I'm just not like that. When I was fifteen there was a lot of bad stuff in my life and a school counsellor came to me and asked me to tell me what was going on in my life. I said it's personal and I didn't want to talk about it. I spent the next three hours with the principal, the counsellor and a "buddy" teacher discussing my attitude problem. My attitude problem was that I didn't want to talk about what was going on in own my house, with my family members... I didn't want to explain the relationship between me and my family to strangers... I even told them I understood they were there to help me... But no, "it's okay to talk about your feelings", "it's nothing to be ashamed of"... The pressure was there to do something against my will... If a guy wants to cry and do ballet there should be no pressure on him to do the opposite... and likewise there should be no pressure on someone who wants to do the stereotypical masculine stuff.

It's those moments people can decide whether they are victims or not. I mentioned my friend earlier, he got a lot of shit for doing ballet. But generally most people respected him for doing his own thing. People noticed this didn't make him "gay" or whatever... He was just an average guy with above average talent in ballet. We still make jokes about it... it's all part of it... He doesn't care because he decided a long time ago he wouldn't let himself be defined by others.

Anyway... I think if women and men are treated equally it doesn't matter if a man wants to do the typical men stuff and a girl wants to do the typical girl stuff. It's their choice... If they are happy, let it be. I get the impression many feminists disagree with this. Talk to the women who want the traditional roles, who want to stay at home and cook and clean and take care of their husband. They feel pressure too...

I don't think we're talking about the same things... and I don't feel hopeful that we ever will be...

_ · August 2008

OutOfBreath wrote:

I think you make it a bigger issue for "feminists" than they view it themselves.

Exactly.

_ · August 2008

OutOfBreath wrote:

But if you wish to define feminism from obscure cases like this, well, you are missing all the fundamentals of what it is all about. Dont use the most pc-cases to discredit feminism, just as you shouldn't use Michael Moore to discredit the american left....

Peace
Dan

You're not by any chance single, are you?

decides2dream · August 2008

Collin wrote:

You mean great analogy: "Say you love two bands equally."

Men's tennis is more popular than women's tennis. It gets more viewers. Ratings are higher.

I already addressed this many times. I will give you the same answer I gave Dan:

:rolleyes:

It's all in this thread. If you don't want to read it, how is that my fault.

um...you didn't SAY that in the original post, so how was i to know? *EDIT - damn, i can't read! hahahaha. i totally MISSED the start of the sentence, 'suppose you love two bands equally'...opps. then that makes sense, yes. you'd go with band A....but you are talking from a FAN perspective, not an ADVERTISER, it is not the same in any case. and THAt makes all the difference for $$$ earned.

in regards to mens tennis being bigger, i honestly don't know about that....especially here in the states. all the little hot tennis chicks, and then the powerhouse of venus and serena williams, i think have started to change, if not already, the dominance of mens tennis over women. even if mens tennis is bigger - beyond that, the advertising $$$ alone are not based solely on popularity, but also the demographics of those watching and spending habits....so again, still not so simple. i don't think in all sports men and women are paid equally, but based on advertising dollars, interest, etc. i would hazard a guess and say men's basketbll players make WAY more $$$ thn female, and perhaps they play more..i don't know....but it's more to do with the $$$ generated than the amount of games. even sport for sport, some makes tons of $$$, others not so much. that's what happens in a profit-driven market. iimo - t's a silly argument really. you are arguing gender discrimination in an arena that it does not belong. this is about advertising $$$ driving the pay, not interest alone, workload, etc.

and collin, i HAVe read your posts and points, and i still come to the same conclusion. YOU seem to take issue with these things, so i don't see why you think others should do something about it. the issues you take issue with, i honestly couldn't care less about. thus why i don't fight against em. if some of em do now produce inequality in the oppostie direction that is wrong and unfortunate...but nonetheless, it still isn't important to me. i have other issues on my own agenda. i've said it often enough, we all have our own focus. and sorry, can't be bothered to read back thru a 6 page thread...just not that interested.

Collin · August 2008

decides2dream wrote:

um...you didn't SAY that in the original post, so how was i to know? *EDIT - damn, i can't read! hahahaha. i totally MISSED the start of the sentence, 'suppose you love twobands equally'...opps. then take makes sense, yes. you'd go with band A....but you are talking from a FAN perspective, not an ADVERTISER, it is not the same in any case.

I'd say it is if the band is advertising their goods one hour or two hours or three hours.

in regards to mens tennis being bigger, i honestly don't know about that....especially here in the states. all the little hot tennis chicks, and then the powerhouse of venus and serena williams, i think have started to change, if not already, the dominance of mens tennis over women. even if mens tennis is bigger - beyond that, the advertising $$$ alone are not based solely on popularity, but also the demographics of those watching and spending habits....so again, still not so simple. i don't think in all sports men and women are paid equally, but based on advertising dollars, interest, etc. i would hazard a guess and say men's basketbll players make WAY more $$$ thn female, and perhaps they play more..i don't know....but it's more to do with the $$$ generated than the amount of games. even sport for sport, some makes tons of $$$, others not so much. that's what happens in a profit-driven market. iimo - t's a silly argument really.

Men's tennis is bigger. Period. If it's about bringing in money for advertisers and more air time and whatever... I don't see the problem either. Like I said, sometimes life isn't fair. Sometimes men's sports are more popular, will bring in more and thus men will earn more...

I'm done with talking about tennis.

and collin, i HAVe read your posts and points, and i still come to the same conclusion. YOU seem to take issue with these things, so i don't see why you think others should do something about it. the issues you take issue with, i honestly couldn't care less about. thus why i don't fight against em. if some of em do now produce inequality in the oppostie direction that is wrong and unfortunate...but nonetheless, it still isn't important to me. i have other issues on my own agenda. i've said it often enough, we all have our own focus. and sorry, can't be bothered to read back thru a 6 page thread...just not that interested.

I addressed this point already. If you don't want to read back, fine. But don't put words in my mouth because you didn't read my posts.

Collin · August 2008

I feel bad for the feminists who do seem to have the right idea and spirit and I support their goals.

Like I said, there's a distinction to be made, perhaps the rather ridiculous term feminazism is suitable here.

Note that I said in the very beginning of this thread that what I said did not count for every feminist.

I am not talking about all feminists, I acknowledge that there are feminists who are not hypocritical or don't support injustice.

No, scb, I am not comparing feminism to al-Qaeda.

Even if this is a minor representation of feminism, it certainly is an extremely influential fraction of feminism. The consequences of their feminist actions are huge. I think it's these feminists who overshadow the "real" feminists, whom I mentioned in my first post.

I certainly didn't say that feminism isn't needed in the world.

I never said there was no need for feminism in the world, I said in the very first post that I agreed with many aspects of feminism. In another post I also said I wished to discuss the groups of feminism, which I thought were detrimental to the feminist movement. I also believe these, whether a minority or not, have a great influence.

I am well aware of the injustices towards women in the world.

I'm merely pointing out the injustices of certain feminists in the Western world. You choose to ignore them (?) because feminism is still needed in the world.

I believe I said this earlier; life is not fair. It's not fair for women and it's not fair for men. I think these cases are examples of an injustice that affects women, not against women. I think it's great women are fighting for this... (about the pill)

I'm not in support of feminism in general. Some basics parts of feminism are part of the humanitarian view I subscribe to.

decides2dream · August 2008

Collin wrote:

I'd say it is if the band is advertising their goods one hour or two hours or three hours.

Men's tennis is bigger. Period. If it's about bringing in money for advertisers and more air time and whatever... I don't see the problem either. Like I said, sometimes life isn't fair. Sometimes men's sports are more popular, will bring in more and thus men will earn more...

I'm done with talking about tennis.

I addressed this point already. If you don't want to read back, fine. But don't put words in my mouth because you didn't read my posts.

again...TIME alone does NOT determine advertising dollars! it doesn't matter if band b is on the stage 1 hour or 3, it's sooo much more than that. besides, it's still a poor analogy, b/c while the band is on stage, no one is looking around the arena at the advertising, they are watching the show. a band's popularity is only ONE determining factor of advertisers, time played really is of no consequence.

if it didn't come down to $$$, they would NOT pay more to em, period. it's all driven by $$$. if you're discussing prize $$$ alone, again..i don't think 'time played' is a determining factor. aren't you the one who argued again and again that life isn't fair, male or female? absolutely true. and it fits here too. it's not about 'fairness'.....you're discussing competitive and profitable sports!

maybe i want to keep talking tennis.

hahaha. seriously...talk about an agenda! only what 'you' want to discuss...you brought up the topic!

and, i din't put words in your mouth. i asked a question. if you didn't want to answer it b/c you addressed it earlier, fair enough. but honestly, even going back to your initial post on this thread....it is evident you are simply looking to argue. i said it earlier and i am repeating myself i know...but you obviously are convinced in your stance. again, fair enough. i respect others' opinions, but i have my own too...and on the tennis argument, i simply think you're wrong there. obviously, we disagree.

*edit - thanks for the post above. i enjoyed the bold type.

btw - i never considered you a woman-hater...talk about putting words in one's mouth. :rolleyes:

and, i agree with this:

Collin wrote:

I'm merely pointing out the injustices of certain feminists in the Western world. You choose to ignore them (?) because feminism is still needed in the world.

i choose to do that for a LOT of things. i am about the 'greater good'...and/or what *I* deem most important. the rest, i can live with.

_ · August 2008

Collin wrote:

I feel bad for the feminists who do seem to have the right idea and spirit and I support their goals.

Like I said, there's a distinction to be made, perhaps the rather ridiculous term feminazism is suitable here.

Note that I said in the very beginning of this thread that what I said did not count for every feminist.

I am not talking about all feminists, I acknowledge that there are feminists who are not hypocritical or don't support injustice.

No, scb, I am not comparing feminism to al-Qaeda.

Even if this is a minor representation of feminism, it certainly is an extremely influential fraction of feminism. The consequences of their feminist actions are huge. I think it's these feminists who overshadow the "real" feminists, whom I mentioned in my first post.

I certainly didn't say that feminism isn't needed in the world.

I never said there was no need for feminism in the world, I said in the very first post that I agreed with many aspects of feminism. In another post I also said I wished to discuss the groups of feminism, which I thought were detrimental to the feminist movement. I also believe these, whether a minority or not, have a great influence.

I am well aware of the injustices towards women in the world.

I'm merely pointing out the injustices of certain feminists in the Western world. You choose to ignore them (?) because feminism is still needed in the world.

I believe I said this earlier; life is not fair. It's not fair for women and it's not fair for men. I think these cases are examples of an injustice that affects women, not against women. I think it's great women are fighting for this... (about the pill)

I'm not in support of feminism in general. Some basics parts of feminism are part of the humanitarian view I subscribe to.

I don't understand why you DON'T support feminism in general - just with a few exceptions for those minor examples you give. You make a distiction between some feminists (or feminist actions) and others, but it seems as if you choose to let the few speak for the many in your mind. Who/what exactly do you think represtents feminism in general?

Collin · August 2008

I wanted to know how people who call themselves feminists see the things I have problems with. I wanted to see if they agreed with those things or disagreed. I wanted to find out what their motives were for supporting certain programmes. I wanted to know this because I rarely see criticism of those actions, that's why I started wondering...

I found none of that. Each and every single issue I brought forth was dismissed as obscure or ridiculous. I think I made it clear that I do support many aspects feminists support... if it wasn't clear so be it.

I didn't get any answers... Only a few posters expressed their opinion on affirmative action, for example, d2d being one of them and I said her opinion was more than enough for me. The rest of my views were apparently taken as attacks on the entire feminist movement...

I was accused of not knowing anything about feminism.

Fuck it. I don't care anymore. I'm sure I've should have spelled out my opinion and stance more clearly... I'm sure I should have explained the intent of this thread more clearly... But like I said, I'm sick of it... I don't care anymore...

I'll leave you alone with it. You can talk about the broader purpose of feminism, how it's still very much needed in many parts of the world...

Peace.

decides2dream · August 2008

Collin wrote:

I wanted to know how people who call themselves feminists see the things I have problems with. I wanted to see if they agreed with those things or disagreed. I wanted to find out what their motives were for supporting certain programmes. I wanted to know this because I rarely see criticism of those actions, that's why I started wondering...

I found none of that. Each and every single issue I brought forth was dismissed as obscure or ridiculous. I think I made it clear that I do support many aspects feminists support... if it wasn't clear so be it.

I didn't get any answers... Only a few posters expressed their opinion on affirmative action, for example, d2d being one of them and I said her opinion was more than enough for me. The rest of my views were apparently taken as attacks on the entire feminist movement...

I was accused of not knowing anything about feminism.

Fuck it. I don't care anymore. I'm sure I've should have spelled out my opinion and stance more clearly... I'm sure I should have explained the intent of this thread more clearly... But like I said, I'm sick of it... I don't care anymore...

I'll leave you alone with it. You can talk about the broader purpose of feminism, how it's still very much needed in many parts of the world...

Peace.

now, now...no need to get cranky.......;)
sorry collin, but i think at times the language used, might've seemed dismissive/accusatory? perhaps that's more inference than intent, but it can also be said that most feminists ARE used to be greeted with such when discussing feminism. i DO think if your first post was a bit more defined, might've better guided the discussion. and of course there ARE many who support the issues you brought up, even if you or i or others might see them in a different perspective. they'd not have occurred without pressure and support eh? anyhoo....i really wouldn't imagine you'd get many 'answers' there....b/c i don't think too many feminists in general are as about, nor the ones who ARE around here, don't support many of the same issues you take issue with. well, except maybe for the tennis thing.

peace...you woman-hater you......;)

btw - it is kinda sad , your last sentence. no interest in discussing where and how and why feminism might still be needed in the world? i still think it's very much needed right here at home! obviously, elsewhere....the 'bigger purposes' of feminism is needed a lot more, but i don't know if in these varying countries if women themselves want the changes or not.....it does need to be a choice.

hey, if we all followed along your first post....at least 50% of the posts would not have occurred, given your caveat of 'no women allowed.'

_ · August 2008

Collin wrote:

I wanted to know how people who call themselves feminists see the things I have problems with. I wanted to see if they agreed with those things or disagreed. I wanted to find out what their motives were for supporting certain programmes. I wanted to know this because I rarely see criticism of those actions, that's why I started wondering...

I found none of that. Each and every single issue I brought forth was dismissed as obscure or ridiculous. I think I made it clear that I do support many aspects feminists support... if it wasn't clear so be it.

I didn't get any answers... Only a few posters expressed their opinion on affirmative action, for example, d2d being one of them and I said her opinion was more than enough for me. The rest of my views were apparently taken as attacks on the entire feminist movement...

I was accused of not knowing anything about feminism.

Fuck it. I don't care anymore. I'm sure I've should have spelled out my opinion and stance more clearly... I'm sure I should have explained the intent of this thread more clearly... But like I said, I'm sick of it... I don't care anymore...

I'll leave you alone with it. You can talk about the broader purpose of feminism, how it's still very much needed in many parts of the world...

Peace.

No hard feelings, Collin. As an olive branch, I'll send you a gift. How about a nice "This is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt?

OutOfBreath · August 2008

scb wrote:

You're not by any chance single, are you?

Nope. I'm spoken for, by a "strong, independent woman"

And Collin, given your post of bold letters, I dont quite get what you're going on about here. You lash out against feminists in some posts, and then makes the complete turn-around in others. Perhaps just bad wording, I dunno.

If you are after what feminists think, I'll give you some answers based on my interpretation of it. (As a self-perceived feminist of sorts)

1. I dont think discrimination against men is any better than discrimination against women. However, I am aware that there are discriminations made against both, but it is quite clear in which direction the most and heaviest obstacles are leaning. Which is why I dont get much worked up about very minor female "advantages", when there still are several pretty major male "advantages". Harping on such points is usually what anti-feminists do, so I think much of the flak you get from me and others here are based in that you use the same arguments the "bad guys" do.

2. As for affirmative action I lean somewhat in it's favour for the time being. If things improve, I will be against it at a later time. I dont favour strong measures here though, more in the vein "other qualifications being equal" sort of thing. And it should be applied both ways. I know men are given advantages in getting into various health-related educations here in Norway, because they are so girl-dominated. And the girls get an edge in the sciences. This doesn't really bother me. As long as it goes both ways.

Peace
Dan

CorporateWhore · August 2008

OutOfBreath wrote:

Nope. I'm spoken for, by a "strong, independent woman"

Hahahahahahaha

I prefer the "weak, codependent woman." There's way more of them out there and they love to please you, above all. In fact, the less you please them the better.

...

As for the "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirts, I've seen girls in college wearing those that have boyfriends who treat them like crap. It's nothing new. Nearly all the feminists I met in college constantly complained about men just using them for sex. Incredibly unconfident women, but they were sure able to be "strong" and "express themselves defiantly."

And of course, it never comes as a surprise to me that the feminist chicks were doing more guys than carter's got pills. One major pro-choice feminist I knew made the rounds with all the right wing guys because she seemed to like strong men. All the liberal dudes were pussies I guess.

Paradoxically, feminists have tons of "independence" and yet they need to have sex with dozens of different men (using protection of course hehe!) in order to feel empowered.

Sorry if my perception of feminism has been marred by all of those girls.

OutOfBreath · August 2008

CorporateWhore wrote:

Hahahahahahaha

I prefer the "weak, codependent woman." There's way more of them out there and they love to please you, above all. In fact, the less you please them the better.

Sounds infinitely boring if you ask me. No, I'll take them strong-headed any time. A doormat would be such a turn-off. But that's me. I'm from the part of Norway where a survey about what trait men liked the most in a woman "strongheadedness" came in first. We like our women spirited and feisty

Peace
Dan

decides2dream · August 2008

OutOfBreath wrote:

Sounds infinitely boring if you ask me. No, I'll take them strong-headed any time. A doormat would be such a turn-off. But that's me. I'm from the part of Norway where a survey about what trait men liked the most in a woman "strongheadedness" came in first. We like our women spirited and feisty

Peace
Dan

how appropriate, and we come full-circle

:

"I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." - Rebecca West, 1913.

i agree, such people of either gender...i would find infinitely boring. i like to be challenged, intellectually stimulated, to laugh...and sure to please and be pleased. reciprocal relationships, on all levels, rock. :cool:

and tired stereotypes are dull, dull, dull.

have a good evening all....catch ya all here tomorrow...:D

angelica · August 2008

CorporateWhore wrote:

As for the "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirts, I've seen girls in college wearing those that have boyfriends who treat them like crap. It's nothing new. Nearly all the feminists I met in college constantly complained about men just using them for sex. Incredibly unconfident women, but they were sure able to be "strong" and "express themselves defiantly."

And of course, it never comes as a surprise to me that the feminist chicks were doing more guys than carter's got pills. One major pro-choice feminist I knew made the rounds with all the right wing guys because she seemed to like strong men. All the liberal dudes were pussies I guess.

Paradoxically, feminists have tons of "independence" and yet they need to have sex with dozens of different men (using protection of course hehe!) in order to feel empowered.

Sorry if my perception of feminism has been marred by all of those girls.

Unfortunately, I hear the validity in what you are saying.

Jeanie · August 2008

Things would be so much easier if I just had a penis.

Tis a great failing of mine not to have been born with one.

Women would swoon when I spoke, mechanics would never try to scam me, nobody would care what I wore and I could fuck as many people as I liked and wouldn't have to pretend to be pure. I could be virile and spreading my seed and applauded for my efforts and because I have a dick everything I say would be more valid than anything that anyone with a vagina might have to say.

Yeah, I need a penis. Life is so much easier when you have a penis.

Lizard · August 2008

Jeanie wrote:

Things would be so much easier if I just had a penis.

Tis a great failing of mine not to have been born with one.

Women would swoon when I spoke, mechanics would never try to scam me, nobody would care what I wore and I could fuck as many people as I liked and wouldn't have to pretend to be pure. I could be virile and spreading my seed and applauded for my efforts and because I have a dick everything I say would be more valid than anything that anyone with a vagina might have to say.

Yeah, I need a penis. Life is so much easier when you have a penis.

Do you really want to deal with "shrinkage"??

Feminism...

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