Hey, Obama Bashers

Everyone but Obama sucks.....Obama is awesome..

whatever floats your boat of holes...

Most of the Obama supporters I've met on here don't really know what his policies really are, and then when they find out they say it's irrelevent anyway because "Presidents don't make policy."

There are plenty of other threads available for your perusal that go in detail in explaining most of our reasoning for not partaking of the Barry Kool-Aid.

I've yet to have ONE Obama supporter take me up on my challenge to provide at least ONE issue in which they support Obama's policy, where they ACTUALLY knew what his policy was besides soundbytes and buzzwords. One tried talking about their Iraq policies, which are essentially the same.

Neither Barr nor Nader are viable candidates. I think most people that are supporting them realize that. Voting for them is simply an expression of disillusionment with our political system, and while that certainly has an impact, it in most cases doesn't have the one the voters want (Perot voters put Clinton in the White House in 1992, and Nader voters re-elected Bush in 2004). I'd let Nader test all the products I buy before I buy them, and I'd let Bob Barr interpret our tax policy, but neither are really ready to run the country.

I will vote for McCain and he will be an average one-term President. His policies are NOT the same as Bush's, contrary to what the media machine tells you. He has a pretty researchable background and has been remarkably consistent on most issues. Congressional Record is available to anyone. I encourage everyone to do their own research. His economic policies, like Obama's, will largely be established by his advisors - because, like Obama, he is not an economic expert. Where I think McCain differentiates himself from Obama is in Foreign Affairs. He has military background, 20 years of legislative history to examine his positions on foreign policy and international issues, and is much more competent on those issues than Obama.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

oh no if it's Hillary it's ok... the Obama crowd absolutely loathes Hillary....

going on policy was it that dramatic of a difference?

policy? huh what's that?

Or perhaps it's a popularity contest despite policy?

hmm

we always attack people that we disagree with. Ah Pearl Jam "if you hate something don't you do it too"

raszputini wrote:

Some of us would still vote for the candidate with coolest sack, though.

McCain's would probably be quite droopy.







(Sorry, had to be done)

raszputini wrote:

Most of the Obama supporters I've met on here don't really know what his policies really are, and then when they find out they say it's irrelevent anyway because "Presidents don't make policy."

There are plenty of other threads available for your perusal that go in detail in explaining most of our reasoning for not partaking of the Barry Kool-Aid.

I've yet to have ONE Obama supporter take me up on my challenge to provide at least ONE issue in which they support Obama's policy, where they ACTUALLY knew what his policy was besides soundbytes and buzzwords. One tried talking about their Iraq policies, which are essentially the same.

Neither Barr nor Nader are viable candidates. I think most people that are supporting them realize that. Voting for them is simply an expression of disillusionment with our political system, and while that certainly has an impact, it in most cases doesn't have the one the voters want (Perot voters put Clinton in the White House in 1992, and Nader voters re-elected Bush in 2004). I'd let Nader test all the products I buy before I buy them, and I'd let Bob Barr interpret our tax policy, but neither are really ready to run the country.

I will vote for McCain and he will be an average one-term President. His policies are NOT the same as Bush's, contrary to what the media machine tells you. He has a pretty researchable background and has been remarkably consistent on most issues. Congressional Record is available to anyone. I encourage everyone to do their own research. His economic policies, like Obama's, will largely be established by his advisors - because, like Obama, he is not an economic expert. Where I think McCain differentiates himself from Obama is in Foreign Affairs. He has military background, 20 years of legislative history to examine his positions on foreign policy and international issues, and is much more competent on those issues than Obama.

according to mccain, and/or his advisor's we are a nation of whiners, who should be concerned about the Iraq-Pakistan border, and that Czechoslovakia would be a nice place to visit...

oh, yeah...McCain says Sunni? Shia? what's the difference...?

yeah, very competent...:rolleyes:

Strangest Tribe wrote:

why does everyone that's not for Obama immediately assume that everyone that's for Obama doesn't know what he's about?

I guess the several million books that he's sold are simply to go on the coffee table so we can impress our American Idol popularity soup du jour friends and neighbors.

"self-appointed judges judge..."

yeah he got popular because of Oprah...

you whiney bitches

because at every turn you will find an Obama apologist vehemently defending him....even when he's calling for (ongoing now) half baked (at best) pre-emptive military pressure on Iran...

what a dick...

Ask Roland who he is voting for ..

Wow. More soundbyte logic.

FOREIGN POLICY
Neither candidate has a "shoot-first" ask questions later foreign policy. In actuality, both candidates has a very similar stance on Iraq, which is we will stay until the country is stable. Obama's position on Iran is probably MORE aggressive than McCain's. Obama wants to increase the troop presence in Afganistan by 7000 immediately upon taking office. Obama supports a continuing erosion of US sovereignty by granting the UN the ability to "tax" US citizens, and redistribute US wealth to other countries without US involvement, but inconsistently, Obama has flip-flopped on Free Trade and NAFTA to garner democratic "labor" endorsements. Obama's policy towards Palestine is even more screwed up than Bush's. McCain has also maintained a very CONSISTENT record on readiness, deployment standards, and on bi-lateral relations with both allies and "rogue states".

Obama very simply has no foreign policy experience whatsoever, he ducked 15 out of the 25 votes on Foreign policy issues during the last congressional term (http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490&type=category&category=32&go.x=12&go.y=11), so I don't really know what most of positions are becuase he hasn't articulated them when it counts.

INDIA/PAKISTAN
We SHOULD be concerned about the India/Pakistani border. It is a region historical conflict that involved nuclear superpowers. An escalting conflict there would likely draw in both China and Russia.

TAXES
McCain's policy on taxes demonstrates sound judgement, and there are 20 years of votes to review to determine that. He rejected 4 Budget Adjustment Appropriations Bills in 2007 alone that were designed to cut Medicaire and Medicaid and Student Loans so that Bush could squeeze more money out in Iraq. He has conservative on economic policy in the "traditional" sense, and has often voted against Bush's policies. It's likely both candidates will change their minds again on taxes. Appropriations positions are much more situational than philosophical ones, which is why they are subject to change

Obama ducked 49 tax-related votes in 2007-2008 alone. (http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490&type=category&category=10&go.x=12&go.y=12). His tax policy, which was developed by Goolsbee from UChicago is only feasible in a world where virtually NONE of the programs Obama supports get funded. A great example of how Obama thinks is involving immigration. Obama votes FOR a bill to allow for greater inspections of trucks crossing the US-Mexico border, and then later, votes against funding it.

You Obama folks REALLY should research your candidate more than you have. I've spoken to a few Obama supporters who seem to be fairly informed, but the vast majority ARE NOT.

If you look at most of Obama's positions that he actually has articulated. Most of them begin with "Increase funding for....."

Look, I will be happy to discuss my position on the election and whether I agree or disagree with a candidate's policy on ANY issue. It is difficult for most Obama supporters to do that, because he has taken a position on so few. The positions he HAS taken are usually VERY DIFFERENT from the average supporter's perception of them. You guys are voting for the Obama he SAYS he will be, not the Obama he PROVEN he will be.

That's the big difference here. I think he's a liar, even moreso than most politicians, and the very frail record he has supports me, not you.

So, again, name ONE position of Obama's that makes you want to vote for him. Can anyone do that? There has to be at least ONE Obama person out there that knows what his positions are and agrees with them.