Reverend Wright on Bill Moyers

my2hands
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edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
i watched the Reverend Wright interview on the Bill Moyers show the other night...


and i AGREE with Reverend Wright on about 90% of what he says...
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  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    my2hands wrote:
    i watched the Reverend Wright interview on the Bill Moyers show the other night...


    and i AGREE with Reverend Wright on about 90% of what he says...

    well, m2h, it's clear you've been brushing up on your dale carnegie! :D

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    well your hero Obama disagrees with him mightily.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    my2hands wrote:
    i watched the Reverend Wright interview on the Bill Moyers show the other night...


    and i AGREE with Reverend Wright on about 90% of what he says...

    I am sure you have your reasons ...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I am sure you have your reasons ...

    if Irish immigrants/descendents were purposely given syphilis by the US Government just to study its effects... then 40 years later Ireland was ravaged by a "new" deadly and incurable Virus... i would question it as well


    i also support his belief that the back community and family needs to focus on itself and try to save itself. they need to take pride in their culture and their communities. they need to organize and help themselves, because no one else is going to do it.


    white america hates a fiery black man telling the truth... just ask MLK Jr.

    he openly questions and denounces the US government and its heinous acts of the past and present, and so do i

    and i also agree with his sermon on 9/11, completely. our chickens have come home to roost. we perpetuate violence across the globe. burning villages, destroying cities full of innocent civilians... all while cheering and waving the flag for "victory"... and them we act surprised and innocent when someone brings the same senseless and tragic violence to our home and our civilians

    i also agree that the USA is not God, it is not the world police and that is can do wrong. that Governments do wrong and always will that was the point of his his god damn america sermon. and i agree with that 100%
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    my2hands wrote:

    and i also agree with his sermon on 9/11, completely. our chickens have come home to roost. we perpetuate violence across the globe. burning villages, destroying cities full of innocent civilians... all while cheering and waving the flag for "victory"... and them we act surprised and innocent when someone brings the same senseless and tragic violence to our home and our civilians

    what villages did we burn prior to 9/11? what cities full of innocent civilians did we destroy prior to 9/11? did those people in the wtc deserve to die? did they get what was coming to them?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    my2hands wrote:
    if Irish immigrants/descendents were purposely given syphilis by the US Government just to study its effects... then 40 years later Ireland was ravaged by a "new" deadly and incurable Virus... i would question it as well


    i also support his belief that the back community and family needs to focus on itself and try to save itself. they need to take pride in their culture and their communities. they need to organize and help themselves, because no one else is going to do it.


    white america hates a fiery black man telling the truth... just ask MLK Jr.

    he openly questions and denounces the US government and its heinous acts of the past and present, and so do i

    and i also agree with his sermon on 9/11, completely. our chickens have come home to roost. we perpetuate violence across the globe. burning villages, destroying cities full of innocent civilians... all while cheering and waving the flag for "victory"... and them we act surprised and innocent when someone brings the same senseless and tragic violence to our home and our civilians

    i also agree that the USA is not God, it is not the world police and that is can do wrong. that Governments do wrong and always will that was the point of his his god damn america sermon. and i agree with that 100%

    do people like Reverand Wright and yourself ever mention that the United States of America is the most charitable country in the world by far. That counts both our government and individual citizens. We've given more money and relief to other countries than any other. Do you ever mention that our government has protected and intervened on the behalf of nations in need of protection? I'm not saying our government hasn't fucked things up and done shitty things but how come we never get any praise for what we do? People like Reverand Wright are just spewing hate more than creating dialogue on the issues.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    pjhawks wrote:
    do people like Reverand Wright and yourself ever mention that the United States of America is the most charitable country in the world by far. That counts both our government and individual citizens. We've given more money and relief to other countries than any other. Do you ever mention that our government has protected and intervened on the behalf of nations in need of protection? I'm not saying our government hasn't fucked things up and done shitty things but how come we never get any praise for what we do? People like Reverand Wright are just spewing hate more than creating dialogue on the issues.

    america can do no right.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what villages did we burn prior to 9/11? what cities full of innocent civilians did we destroy prior to 9/11?


    go to central America and ask someone...
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    go to central America and ask someone...

    ok so el queda attacked us to get back at us for what we've done in south america? makes perfect sense.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what villages did we burn prior to 9/11?
    ever heard of vietnem?
    what cities full of innocent civilians did we destroy prior to 9/11?
    ever heard of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?
    did those people in the wtc deserve to die?
    no, of course not. and that is not what reverned wright was saying at all
    did they get what was coming to them?
    no, of course not. did the people of nagasaki that mroning get what was coming to them? no, of course not


    maybe people should actually listen to what he was saying insted of going off of 10 second sound bytes

    it is good, and healthy for the country, to question its faults and bad decisions and have an open discourse about them and how to avoid them in the future
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    pjhawks wrote:
    do people like Reverand Wright and yourself ever mention that the United States of America is the most charitable country in the world by far. That counts both our government and individual citizens. We've given more money and relief to other countries than any other. Do you ever mention that our government has protected and intervened on the behalf of nations in need of protection? I'm not saying our government hasn't fucked things up and done shitty things but how come we never get any praise for what we do? People like Reverand Wright are just spewing hate more than creating dialogue on the issues.


    1. our charitable contributuons are platry when considering the amount given as a % of our GDP. most western eurpoean countires are FAR ahead of us in what % of their GDP they contribute.

    2. yes i understand america has done many great things and is a beautiful country. of course we have done great things. i think that praise is quite plentiful, just open an 11th grade textbook

    3. i dont view it as hate. i view it as reality. do the people of vietnam view it as hate? no, that is their reality. becasue their homes were the ones burned down. the peopel of nagasaki view it as reality, becasue theie entire city was wiped off the map.


    as americans, we have to be able to aknowledge and address our faults and past wrong doings to make sure they do not happen again. but as long as americans are just willign to wave their prety flag and sing god bless america situations like Iraq are going to happen again and again.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I have this new rule, that whenever someone brings up Hiroshima in a completely inappropriate context, I check out of the thread because intelligent debate has essentially been thrown out the window at that point.

    Its just better that way ...
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    my2hands wrote:
    1. our charitable contributuons are platry when considering the amount given as a % of our GDP. most western eurpoean countires are FAR ahead of us in what % of their GDP they contribute.

    2. yes i understand america has done many great things and is a beautiful country. of course we have done great things. i think that praise is quite plentiful, just open an 11th grade textbook

    3. i dont view it as hate. i view it as reality. do the people of vietnam view it as hate? no, that is their reality. becasue their homes were the ones burned down. the peopel of nagasaki view it as reality, becasue theie entire city was wiped off the map.


    as americans, we have to be able to aknowledge and address our faults and past wrong doings to make sure they do not happen again. but as long as americans are just willign to wave their prety flag and sing god bless america situations like Iraq are going to happen again and again.

    Nagasaki and Hiroshima were in response to them bombing us 1st - do you not agree we had the right to defend ourselves at that point? or does your argument conveniently forgot that part of history?
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    my2hands wrote:
    ever heard of vietnem? ever heard of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? no, of course not. and that is not what reverned wright was saying at all no, of course not. did the people of nagasaki that mroning get what was coming to them? no, of course not
    again, what does this have to do with el queda attacking us?
    my2hands wrote:
    it is good, and healthy for the country, to question its faults and bad decisions and have an open discourse about them and how to avoid them in the future

    thats true and wright does nothing of the sort.


    btw, are you disowning him now much like your boy obama? obama sure does hate him now. so should you.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I have this new rule, that whenever someone brings up Hiroshima in a completely inappropriate context, I check out of the thread because intelligent debate has essentially been thrown out the window at that point.

    Its just better that way ...

    thats too bad. you seem to be one of the few who gets it.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    pjhawks wrote:
    Nagasaki and Hiroshima were in response to them bombing us 1st - do you not agree we had the right to defend ourselves at that point? or does your argument conveniently forgot that part of history?


    nagasaki and hiroshima were civilian cities with zero military value. hundreds of thousands of people were murdered to show the russians we had a bigger cock.


    you are actually using al-queda's logic... there logic was that we attacked and occupied their muslim land and that they had to retaliate. same thing different flag
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    thats too bad. you seem to be one of the few who gets it.

    Its for my own mental health. I cannot deal with that shit. Throwing Hiroshima/Nagasaki out there as an example of U.S. tyranny akin to something like Tuskegee just reveals such a de-contextualized, distorted view of history ... I've had the discussion too many times, I think. Its a worthwhile topic, but its ran its course for me.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    again, what does this have to do with el queda attacking us?
    it is not a surprise that most do not understand wrights comments and have not even seen his entire remarks, just the soundbyte they want you to see and remember. he was not excusing al queda or the attacks. he was simply saying that we have fucked with the world so much via military "intervetion", that why are we so surprised that the same thing has come back to happen to us? he did not applaud the attacks, he did not cheer them on. he was simply pointing out that obvious. the obviuos that miost americans cannot be hinest about becasue they feel that we do no wrong, ever, and that if we did then the world just needs to get over it


    thats true and wright does nothing of the sort.
    he is creating a conversation right here isnt he? imagine the other thousands of conversations taking place just like this one. dont be scared of our ugly past, discuss it, condemn it, and make sure it doesnt happen again

    btw, are you disowning him now much like your boy obama? obama sure does hate him now. so should you.

    no, i am not "disowning" him at all. i dont own him. but i still agree with the majority of his message. he is saying what howard zinn and noam chomsky have been saying for nearly 4 decades now.

    obama has to back off of him, because the majority of americans are idiots and are falling for this stupid shit. plain and simple
  • pjhawks
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    my2hands wrote:
    nagasaki and hiroshima were civilian cities with zero military value. hundreds of thousands of people were murdered to show the russians we had a bigger cock.


    you are actually using al-queda's logic... there logic was that we attacked and occupied their muslim land and that they had to retaliate. same thing different flag

    well a lot of historians will argue that us dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in fact saved millions of lives as it effectively ended the war.

    and if you read up on Bin Laden and Al-Qaida there are lots of opinions that Bin Laden hates us because he needs someone to hate. After defeating the Russians (with our help mind you) in Afghanistan he moved on to hating the US (after taking our help) because his agenda is furthered by hatred - and we were the next and only big target at the time. If you think Japan attacking Pearl Harbor is the same as us occupying and trying to keep the peace (loosely defined I know) in the mideast are the same thing than there really is no arguing with you.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Its for my own mental health. I cannot deal with that shit. Throwing Hiroshima/Nagasaki out there as an example of U.S. tyranny akin to something like Tuskegee just reveals such a de-contextualized, distorted view of history ... I've had the discussion too many times, I think. Its a worthwhile topic, but its ran its course for me.


    i assume you would think different if you were japanese

    2 cities obliterated. babies, women, children on their way to school, elderly, all defenseless minding their own business. wiped out. for what? so you can come on a message board 60 years later and dismiss it as old news?

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