Reverend Wright on Bill Moyers
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my2hands wrote:i assume you would think different if you were japanese
2 cities obliterated. babies, women, children on their way to school, elderly, all defenseless minding their own business. wiped out. for what? so you can come on a message board 60 years later and dismiss it as old news?
Like I said.0 -
my2hands wrote:nagasaki and hiroshima were civilian cities with zero military value. hundreds of thousands of people were murdered to show the russians we had a bigger cock.
That's your opinion. A different opinion would be the fact that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, killed millions of Asians in the Asian Holocaust, refused to sign the Genova convention which said to widespread mistreatment of our POWs and a mortality rate of 1/4 American POWs and much higher among Chinese soldiers, the Bataan deathmarch, the Japanese use of chemical weapons, the use of cyanide gas on POW's, and the fact that Japan would have fought tooth and nail over every piece of land if a conventional invasion took place leads me to believe that the use of the atomic bombs saved lives. But hey, we can just take the easy way out and pretend like Japan was going to surrender its country to us without a fight.- Busted down the pretext
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my2hands wrote:it is not a surprise that most do not understand wrights comments and have not even seen his entire remarks, just the soundbyte they want you to see and remember. he was not excusing al queda or the attacks. he was simply saying that we have fucked with the world so much via military "intervetion", that why are we so surprised that the same thing has come back to happen to us? he did not applaud the attacks, he did not cheer them on. he was simply pointing out that obvious. the obviuos that miost americans cannot be hinest about becasue they feel that we do no wrong, ever, and that if we did then the world just needs to get over it
he is creating a conversation right here isnt he? imagine the other thousands of conversations taking place just like this one. dont be scared of our ugly past, discuss it, condemn it, and make sure it doesnt happen again
no, i am not "disowning" him at all. i dont own him. but i still agree with the majority of his message. he is saying what howard zinn and noam chomsky have been saying for nearly 4 decades now.
obama has to back off of him, because the majority of americans are idiots and are falling for this stupid shit. plain and simple
wright is a racist asshole. plain and simple. while you and he might think we got what was coming to us becuase of WWII and Vetinam so be it. I don't. and I'm sure you'll also sit here and defend is racists comments towards whites. even though the two faced prick lives in a multi-million dollar house in a gated white community.0 -
pjhawks wrote:well a lot of historians will argue that us dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in fact saved millions of lives as it effectively ended the war.
and if you read up on Bin Laden and Al-Qaida there are lots of opinions that Bin Laden hates us because he needs someone to hate. After defeating the Russians (with our help mind you) in Afghanistan he moved on to hating the US (after taking our help) because his agenda is furthered by hatred - and we were the next and only big target at the time. If you think Japan attacking Pearl Harbor is the same as us occupying and trying to keep the peace (loosely defined I know) in the mideast are the same thing than there really is no arguing with you.
they "hate" us becasue we have meddled in their affairs for decades... and then set up and stationed military in their holy land.0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Like I said.
yea you've been here awhile it seems. I'm tired and sickened by this already and it's my first encounter with such stupidity.0 -
lazymoon13 wrote:wright is a racist asshole. plain and simple. while you and he might think we got what was coming to us becuase of WWII and Vetinam so be it. I don't. and I'm sure you'll also sit here and defend is racists comments towards whites. even though the two faced prick lives in a multi-million dollar house in a gated white community.
i dont view him, or his remarks, as racist at all.
the are the truth
and no one has ever said we had it coming. so nice try, you can stop that spin machine0 -
my2hands wrote:i assume you would think different if you were japanese
2 cities obliterated. babies, women, children on their way to school, elderly, all defenseless minding their own business. wiped out. for what? so you can come on a message board 60 years later and dismiss it as old news?
And I think you'd think different if you were a Filipino American like me whose family survived the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WW2.- Busted down the pretext
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and peopel wonder why Bush got re-elected
because americans for the most part are fucking idiots that have no concept of world affairs and their countires role in those affairs0 -
Solat13 wrote:And I think you'd think different if you were a Filipino American like me whose family survived the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WW2.
so 2 civialin cities had to be wiped off the map? the japanese were defeated and within days of surrender. which is documented
documentation, and witnesses, have come out to say that the bomb was used to show the russians who was boss. plain and simple. even robet fucking mcnamara has said that0 -
my2hands wrote:and peopel wonder why Bush got re-elected
because americans for the most part are fucking idiots that have no concept of world affairs and their countires role in those affairs
right. we used big bombs in WWII so we should be prepared to get attacked because of those actions.0 -
my2hands wrote:and peopel wonder why Bush got re-elected
because americans for the most part are fucking idiots that have no concept of world affairs and their countires role in those affairs
Actually, your chest-thumping and apparent refusal to think rationally about history are exactly the sorts of things that prompt equally inane comments from the other side, like "Love it or leave it." What does your one-sided understanding of WW-II actually do, in any real constructive sense? You think you're making people smarter, which is maybe a noble goal ... But honestly, you are going about it the wrong way. There is a fine line between sparking intelligent debate and promoting reactance. Learn where the line is, pal.0 -
what goes around comes around. that does not justify it. just dont be surprised when it happens in your back yard.
thats america's problem. we have never experienced war in our back yard. we have always watched it on TV. that is why Europe is light years ahead of us on this issue. becasue they lived it. their continent was destroyed. they have experienced the horrors of war. we watched it on "M.A.S.H."0 -
my2hands wrote:
thats america's problem. we have never experienced war in our back yard.
pearl harbor and 9/11. both in our backyard.0 -
my2hands wrote:so 2 civialin cities ahd to be wiped off the map?
documentation, and witnesses, have come out to say that the bomb was used to show the russians who was boss. plain and simple. even robet fucking mcnamara has said that
Like I said earlier, you have your opinion on this and I have mine and I have no problem with the dropping of the atomic bomb.
You and I know that there is no history in the world other than what you believe. For every source you can come up with to say the bomb was unnecessary, one can come up with saying that it was. That's why Orwell said it best. Those who control the present control the past and those who control the past control the future. And lucky for me those in power now still believe the atomic bomb was necessary. I think it was a horrible thing to happen, but war is hell and in the end it did save lives.- Busted down the pretext
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my2hands wrote:they "hate" us becasue we have meddled in their affairs for decades... and then set up and stationed military in their holy land.
were we meddling when we helped them against the Russians? were we meddling when we funded and sold weapons to Bin Laden and Al-Qaida. Were we meddling in WW2 to stop Hitler, than the Japs after they bombed us? No one ever wants us around until somebody tries to kick their ass, then they come running for our help.
Do you think Reverand Wright would allow white americans to speak freely about their thoughts on black america and what they have done to the cities in this country (re: see thread on Camden NJ in Porch) or would those comments just be racist by whitey? I'm guessing they would be racist a la Don Imus.0 -
my2hands wrote:what goes around comes around. that does not justify it. just dont be surprised when it happens in your back yard.
thats america's problem. we have never experienced war in our back yard. thay have always watched it ion TV. that is why Europe is light years ahead iof us on this issue. becasue they lived it. their continet was destroyed. they have experienced the horros of war. we watched it on "M.A.S.H."
I wouldn't say never (um, the Civil War?), but not in modern times, granted. There's some validity in what your saying here, to be sure. I think that's why 9-11 WAS such a big deal ... The key step is to go beyond saying "we had it coming" and figuring out what to do next. No one needs/wants to hear this thousands of times ... What can be done to prevent it from happening again? There's no easy answer. Better US foreign policy would be key ... Change is needed in the Middle East as well, though. I am not sure how a secular world can peacefully manage a bunch of people still clinging to religious zealotism that went out of favour shortly after the Renaissance ...0 -
my2hands wrote:what goes around comes around. that does not justify it. just dont be surprised when it happens in your back yard.
thats america's problem. we have never experienced war in our back yard. thay have always watched it ion TV. that is why Europe is light years ahead iof us on this issue. becasue they lived it. their continet was destroyed. they have experienced the horros of war. we watched it on "M.A.S.H."
true but without us (and our 2 big atomic bombs) they'd all be speaking German0 -
reborncareerist wrote:The key step is to go beyond saying "we had it coming" and figuring out what to do next. No one needs/wants to hear this thousands of times ...
his sermon and comments in question are from 2001... the sunday after the attacks
he isnt still giving that sermon... the people that want to crush Obama have it in circulation like it was yesterday. thats not wrights fault.
i give the man credit for having the balls to speak out0 -
pjhawks wrote:true but without us (and our 2 big atomic bombs) they'd all be speaking German
:rolleyes:
the japanese were defeated and about to surrender. we knew it.
the germans were defeated by the nasty Russian winter. the germans defeat had ZERO to do with the atomic weapon deployment
get your facts straight and then come back to the big boy's table0 -
my2hands wrote::rolleyes:
the japanese were defeated and about to surrender. we knew it.
the germans were defeated by the nasty Russian winter. the germans defeat had ZERO to do with the atomic weapon deployment
get your facts straight and then come back to the big boy's table
chest pump!!!! yea! take it easy little man. you arent that tough0
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