There is no fucking way...

my2hands
my2hands Posts: 17,117
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
A plane should have been able to fly into Washington DC airspace and slam into the Pentagon 51 minutes after the first hijacked plane flew into the WTC, and 35 minutes after the 2nd plane hit the WTC! That is all i am saying. This has been the problem for me since that day, and because of this i will always have questions about the events that day. Washington DC is, and has been one of the most sensitive air space's in the WORLD, and a 757 flown by an inexperienced pilot makes it all the way to the Pentagon 35 minutes after the entire world watched the horrific sight of that second plane? No fucking way.

American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767-200[7] wide-body aircraft, crashed into the northern side of the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) at 8:46:30 a.m. local time (Eastern Daylight Time, 12:46:30 UTC), hitting at the 94-98th floors.

United Airlines Flight 175, a Boeing 767-200,[9] crashed into the 78-84th floors of the South Tower at 9:02:59 a.m. local time (13:02:59 UTC), an event covered live by television broadcasters and amateur filmers from around the world who had their cameras trained on the buildings after the earlier crash.

American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757-200,[11] crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37:46 a.m. local time (13:37:46 UTC).



I dont wear tin foil hats... i am not obsessed with conspiracy theories... but this little detail just bothers the hell out of me?
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Not cartoons? Air space? And then no wing marks on the walls. ;)
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    The airforce doesn't wake up until 8:30,
    and it takes 30-45 min to suit up.

    ?
    :rolleyes:
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  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    51 minutes is not exactly an eternity.
    How long did it take to figure out that this was not an accident?
    The second plane didn't hit until over 15 minutes later.
    So 36 minutes later the plane hit the pentagon, or thereabouts.
    How large is the covered airspace around DC?
    How long did it take the plane once it was within that airspace?

    We are not talking about a lot of time here.

    Believe me...I would like answers, as well.
    But the time frame here is not my biggest concern.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    TrixieCat wrote:
    51 minutes is not exactly an eternity.
    How long did it take to figure out that this was not an accident?
    The second plane didn't hit until over 15 minutes later.
    So 36 minutes later the plane hit the pentagon, or thereabouts.
    How large is the covered airspace around DC?
    How long did it take the plane once it was within that airspace?

    We are not talking about a lot of time here.

    Believe me...I would like answers, as well.
    But the time frame here is not my biggest concern.

    fighters across the country are on constant alert for things like this, especially in the DC area... and they are constantly tested in drills... all tests up to that day were 100% succesful...


    now again, i am not saying this is concrete to me... just veryweird
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    TrixieCat wrote:
    51 minutes is not exactly an eternity.

    especially when 3/4ths of your airforce is up near canada running secret military training missions that involve pretending to protect national airspace from a pretend threat like an airlplane crashing in to the pentagon ...

    ... huh? ...

    ... oh, and the other 2 planes that were at AAB accidentaly got sent south and out over the atlantic instead of north and inland.

    ... huh?

    yeah.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    my2hands wrote:
    fighters across the country are on constant alert for things like this, especially in the DC area... and they are constantly tested in drills... all tests up to that day were 100% succesful...


    now again, i am not saying this is concrete to me... just veryweird


    Weren't they practicing that day; for that day?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    fighters across the country are on constant alert for things like this, especially in the DC area... and they are constantly tested in drills... all tests up to that day were 100% succesful...


    now again, i am not saying this is concrete to me... just veryweird

    Even on high alert it still take time for pilots to get in their fighters, taxi to the runway, and take off. Also the time it took for officials to realize that we where under attack, after the second plane hit the towers, and the time in which they ordered personal into action. Like Trixie said 36 minutes is not that long.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    even flow? wrote:
    Weren't they practicing that day; for that day?

    There where fighters in the air but they where miles from DC, I believe they where up by Boston somewhere but don't hold me to that, and secondly they had no munitions. They interviewed on of the pilots on the training run and he stated that if they would have had time to reach the plane the only option they had was to crash into it because their fighters where not armed.
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  • DPrival78
    DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    the planes had all deviated from their original flight plans, obviously, well before the crashes. the fact that these planes were allowed to fly around for an extended period of time - especially after the first crash - is troubling at best.

    everyone likes to point to the payne stewart example - where his private jet veered off course after everyone on board died from the decompression. in that case, f-15's were on the wings of that plane in about 15-20 minutes - which was the standard operating procedure for norad/faa.

    something to consider about this is that on 9/11, the gov't was running multiple drills involving plane hijackings. there are tapes out there where air traffic controllers can be heard asking "is this real or an exercise?". so there seems to have been some confusion there.

    but what are the odds that al qaeda decides to hijack planes on the same exact morning that we are running drills? that's one hell of a coincidence...
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    I think that people tend to forget how very close the Pentagon is to National Airport (Reagan National, though i don't call it that.) and to see a plane flying so low is a very common sight in that area. I'm not sure that the landing paths go right over the pentagon but they are sure close enough for anyone to have seen it, that no one would've batted an eye. to them it would have looked like one of the planes coming in had gone off course at the last minute(s) before landing
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    DPrival78 wrote:
    the planes had all deviated from their original flight plans, obviously, well before the crashes. the fact that these planes were allowed to fly around for an extended period of time - especially after the first crash - is troubling at best.

    everyone likes to point to the payne stewart example - where his private jet veered off course after everyone on board died from the decompression. in that case, f-15's were on the wings of that plane in about 15-20 minutes - which was the standard operating procedure for norad/faa.

    something to consider about this is that on 9/11, the gov't was running multiple drills involving plane hijackings. there are tapes out there where air traffic controllers can be heard asking "is this real or an exercise?". so there seems to have been some confusion there.

    but what are the odds that al qaeda decides to hijack planes on the same exact morning that we are running drills? that's one hell of a coincidence...


    We're not supposed to question that "coincidence". Just swallow the story and move on with our lives.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    How many commercial aircraft fly in and out of new york and washington a day?

    Do you really think the air force has their fingers on the trigger every time a jetliner flies into a airspace?

    Do you think that, pre-9/11, the militaries first instinct was to shoot down any large civilian craft that doesnt immediately respond?

    So pre 9/11, if you were in charge, you would have no problem blowing up planes full of civilians because their flight deviated? You would be comfortable with that? Are you some sort of mass murderer?

    Pre 9/11, planes hijacked by terrorists were either blown up or flown to the middle east so they could escape. Even if faced with some evidence of what they would do, no sane human would just assume this would happen and start blowing airplanes out of the sky. Thats absolutely ABSURD!

    please, you are delusional. seek therapy.

    maybe, MAYBE, flight 93 was shot down once the military realized what started happening. Thats all you wacky fucking NUTS could convince me of. Its really getting to the point where these 9/11 "truthers" make me fucking sick. THey seriously make me weep for mankind.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    What was there to figure out?

    They were running drills which include all of the above scenarios, for weeks prior to the attacks.

    So how much of a surprise could it have been?

    It's standard operating procedure that the Air Force immediately responds in a defensive posturing around the White House and Pentagon; when any attacks occur......anywhere in the United States Of America. That is the protocol.

    Why wasn't it on that day?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    NMyTree wrote:
    What was there to figure out?

    They were running drills which include all of the above scenarios, for weeks prior to the attacks.

    If the government knew about the attacks and knew exactly what was going on, why would they be running drills to stop it for weeks prior to the attack? That makes no fucking sense. If they knew about it, they wouldnt be publically running drills to thwart it.

    If the military started blowing planes full of civilians out of the sky before any of them had a chance to crash into a building, fucking HEADS WOULD ROLL. A General somewhere would be rotting in a supermax prison so Americans couldnt tear him limb from limb.
  • DPrival78
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    prism wrote:
    I think that people tend to forget how very close the Pentagon is to National Airport (Reagan National, though i don't call it that.) and to see a plane flying so low is a very common sight in that area. I'm not sure that the landing paths go right over the pentagon but they are sure close enough for anyone to have seen it, that no one would've batted an eye. to them it would have looked like one of the planes coming in had gone off course at the last minute(s) before landing


    b.s. the plane was known to be off course for a half hour or so, and AFTER two planes crashed into the WTC. not only should there have been eyes batting everywhere, but there should have been jets in the air.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    TrixieCat wrote:
    51 minutes is not exactly an eternity.
    How long did it take to figure out that this was not an accident?
    The second plane didn't hit until over 15 minutes later.
    So 36 minutes later the plane hit the pentagon, or thereabouts.
    How large is the covered airspace around DC?
    How long did it take the plane once it was within that airspace?

    We are not talking about a lot of time here.

    Believe me...I would like answers, as well.
    But the time frame here is not my biggest concern.


    cheney stated in interviews he KNEW it was an attack after the 2nd plane hit...so, that's over 1/2 an hour he had to scramble jests...which he didn't do until right before the pentagon was hit.

    as for how long it was in the airspace? i don't know. but i do know that it was being tracked on it's way to DC, it flew thru DC once, made a u-turn (at speeds and g rates that some say would've knocked the pilot out first) re-enmtered DC's no fly zone and hit the pentagon....

    the question should be how long should it take our leaders to react to an attack on our country? especially when they say they KNOW it's an attack and while they KNOW another hijacked plane is heading towards DC and is allowed to enter it's No-Fly Zone not once but twice before a reaction is made????

    Andrew's Air Force Base is maybe 10 miles from DC and they do have fighter jets there....so, again, how long should we expect our leaders, former sec of defense, to react to a KNOWN attack on our nation?

    I owuld hope that far less than 30+ minutes, myself

    in fact, in one magazine retelling cheney was asked a few times what to do and he did nothing...until the last moment...then he says he spoke to bush about this altho the only ppl who say this happened is condi rice and their aides, no one else in the room saw cheney ever talk to bush
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  • TrixieCat
    TrixieCat Posts: 5,756
    Again, 30 minutes is not a long time.
    If you are parked on your couch watching reality tv, then yes, it is an eternity.
    But 30 min to figure it out, get the word out, get the plan in action, get in the jets and take off, or re-route the course you are on and then shoot down a hi-jacked plane with civilians on board?
    I still don't think there would have been enough time.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ....and what of guided ground to air missiles?

    Is this to say there are none?

    There's arguments to this but, we all know the plan to act *after* the "next pearl harbor" was fully in place long before 9/11. Interesting despite increasing intelligence the WTC was coming suspicion again and nothing was in place before 9/11. Lots to do after though..... all kinds... and thought about 10 years prior.

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    people aren't robots. They wont just swing into action when something unprecedented like 9/11 has happened.

    A commander cant just say "initiate plan #47" and everyone swings into action, blowing up civilian airliners with no hesitation. This isnt fucking Star Wars and soldiers arent clones. stop watching so many movies.

    Its pretty obvious after Katrina, that the government bureaucracy is incapable of reacting to any real emergency.

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