Bush reaffirms Cuba embargo

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  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    810wmb wrote:
    yes, we are the stupidest, worthless, most piece of shit nation to ever exist on the face of the earth.

    we are guilty of all things wrong in this world!!!!


    dont be so narrow minded man, the US is not responsible for everything that is wrong in the world but in the case of Cuba they were a major player. Thats it.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

    Basically, the 13 day cuban missle crisis was in response to US missles being in Turkey.

    The Cold War was a huge worthless pissing match between politicians that led to a lot of ridiculously bad things, there were no good guys and bad guys... mostly just bad guys.

    The Cuban Embargo is freaking useless, it's completely furthered by US Sugar and Tobacco lobbies and anti castro immigrants.

    No one likes Castro, hell Castro doesn't like Castro but this embargo is fucking pointless no two ways about it. It dosen't help anyone and should not be furthered. It serves no purpose but to further Cuban poverty. There is absolutely no good reason not to do business with Cuba...especially when CHINA is a favored nation.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

    Basically, the 13 day cuban missle crisis was in response to US missles being in Turkey.

    The Cold War was a huge worthless pissing match between politicians.

    The Cuban Embargo is freaking useless, it's completely furthered by US Sugar and Tobacco lobbies and anti castro immigrants.

    No one likes Castro, hell Castro doesn't like Castro but this embargo is fucking pointless no two ways about it. It dosen't help anyone and should not be furthered. It serves no purpose but to further Cuban poverty.

    what has the US said has to happen to lift the embargo?
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  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    810wmb wrote:
    overboard?

    maybe, sorry, just looks that way here a lot.


    The problem here is not the people but rather all the fucking bad things that are going on and many of them are a direct result of the US goverment. If anything the people that do all the critizicing are just worried about the country that they have grown to love and respect.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    what has the US said has to happen to lift the embargo?

    Cuba has to embrace democracy, but if you read between the lines it says Cuba has to let US corporate interest back onto the island to rape and pillage it as it did from the time of the Spanish-American War until the Cuban Revolution.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Cuba has to embrace democracy, but if you read between the lines it says Cuba has to let US corporate interest back onto the island to rape and pillage it as it did from the time of the Spanish-American War until the Cuban Revolution.

    oh jezee, rape and pillage?

    anyway, cuba has a choice, they made it...
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    mammasan wrote:
    Cuba has to embrace democracy, but if you read between the lines it says Cuba has to let US corporate interest back onto the island to rape and pillage it as it did from the time of the Spanish-American War until the Cuban Revolution.


    precisely, essentially see Cancun. I don't think it should be a big deal. My problem with the US is that they refuse to embrace the free market in situations such as this, why does everything have to be a US company?

    We don't need a Holiday Inn sunpree or Hilton in Havana to be able to go there do we?

    Why can't thier government own the sugar and tobacco companies and keep the money in Cuba if they so choose? It works that way in China.

    Democracy in this sense is political jargon, basically Cuba is embarassing to the US government that is supposed to be a democratic republic that embraces the free market system (ahem price supports "see farm bill" and tarriffs would seem to go against that)

    Cuba is a failure, they weren't able to keep it from being a communist nation and that embarasses the old guard. Castro is a brutal dictator...yes, but there are many all over the world we care nothing about that do not have embargos. The Cuban people would be much better off with US trade and they are far from being strong enough to oust castro in a revolution. The US simply needs to recognise that trading with Cuba will be to the economic advantage of both countries.

    Think the Airlines will have a problem with a new HOT tourist destination less than an hour flight from Homestead? Nope. Tourism companies, Cruise Ships....geez. There is a virtual fortune to be made once the embargo is lifted. US sugar and tobacco simply don't want the competition.

    The embargo is a waste of money.. frankly, we could use a new market.
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  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    810wmb wrote:
    oh jezee, rape and pillage?

    anyway, cuba has a choice, they made it...

    it was hardly a choice... cuba either had to continue to be a havan for american gangsters, allow companies like united fruit to continue to exploit the country, or cuba could go its own way with a relative amount of freedom, but be villified by the usa for years.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    darkcrow wrote:
    it was hardly a choice... cuba either had to continue to be a havan for american gangsters, allow companies like united fruit to continue to exploit the country, or cuba could go its own way with a relative amount of freedom, but be villified by the usa for years.

    it was still a choice, they made it
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    oh jezee, rape and pillage?

    anyway, cuba has a choice, they made it...

    Do you know anything about the history of US-Cuban relations? Have you studied it in depth?
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    seeing how we're taking about "the people" out of those choices, which would they have been better off with?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    precisely, essentially see Cancun. I don't think it should be a big deal. My problem with the US is that they refuse to embrace the free market in situations such as this, why does everything have to be a US company?

    We don't need a Holiday Inn sunpree or Hilton in Havana to be able to go there do we?

    Why can't thier government own the sugar and tobacco companies and keep the money in Cuba if they so choose? It works that way in China.

    Democracy in this sense is political jargon, basically Cuba is embarassing to the US government that is supposed to be a democratic republic that embraces the free market system (ahem price supports "see farm bill" and tarriffs would seem to go against that)

    Cuba is a failure, they weren't able to keep it from being a communist nation and that embarasses the old guard. Castro is a brutal dictator...yes, but there are many all over the world we care nothing about that do not have embargos. The Cuban people would be much better off with US trade and they are far from being strong enough to oust castro in a revolution. The US simply needs to recognise that trading with Cuba will be to the economic advantage of both countries.


    Yeah here in Puerto Rico American corporations own mostly everything and now this once bueatifull paradise is filled to the brim with strip malls and fast food joints. It has gotten so bad that the Puertorican consumer doesnt even trust any product that is not american or that its not sold in Wall Mart. If a puerto rican antrepenuer comes up with a great product it is very difficult to convince the consumer because they immidiately asume that it is cheap and that we are not capable of producing high quality products wich is false. It has gotten to the point were we dont trust each other. And thats just the way the federal goverment and corporations want it.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    seeing how we're taking about "the people" out of those choices, which would they have been better off with?

    They would be better off with neither. Batista, who was the dictator prior to Castro, was supported by the US government and corporations. He was equally oppressive as Castro, but he allowed our interests to supercede that of his people.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    all I want to do is drink some mohito's (spelling?) and smoke a fatty cigar on the beach in Cuba. damnit.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    They would be better off with neither. Batista, who was the dictator prior to Castro, was supported by the US government and corporations. He was equally oppressive as Castro, but he allowed our interests to supercede that of his people.

    well, then, what the hell?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    all I want to do is drink some mohito's (spelling?) and smoke a fatty cigar on the beach in Cuba. damnit.

    Me too brother and it's mojitos. My parents have told me numerous time that Varadero in Matanzas was and is one of the most beautiful beaches they have ever seen/been to. My parents have traveled extensively to some pretty nice destinations so I take their word for it.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    well, then, what the hell?

    What the hell what? I'm illustrating that US involvment in Cuban affairs fueled thge Cuban revolution. Our support of corrupt leaders like Batista gave rise to Castro.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    What the hell what? I'm illustrating that US involvment in Cuban affairs fueled thge Cuban revolution. Our support of corrupt leaders like Batista gave rise to Castro.

    gee, so how could we have not been to blame in any way?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    gee, so how could we have not been to blame in any way?

    We are to blame. I wouldn't blame us for Castro being a ruthless bastard, he did that all on his own. We are to blame for creating the atmosphere that brought Castro to power.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    the mighty US screws over another commie

    let me get an AMEN!!!!!!!!!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat

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