precisely, essentially see Cancun. I don't think it should be a big deal. My problem with the US is that they refuse to embrace the free market in situations such as this, why does everything have to be a US company?
We don't need a Holiday Inn sunpree or Hilton in Havana to be able to go there do we?
Why can't thier government own the sugar and tobacco companies and keep the money in Cuba if they so choose? It works that way in China.
Democracy in this sense is political jargon, basically Cuba is embarassing to the US government that is supposed to be a democratic republic that embraces the free market system (ahem price supports "see farm bill" and tarriffs would seem to go against that)
Cuba is a failure, they weren't able to keep it from being a communist nation and that embarasses the old guard. Castro is a brutal dictator...yes, but there are many all over the world we care nothing about that do not have embargos. The Cuban people would be much better off with US trade and they are far from being strong enough to oust castro in a revolution. The US simply needs to recognise that trading with Cuba will be to the economic advantage of both countries.
Yeah here in Puerto Rico American corporations own mostly everything and now this once bueatifull paradise is filled to the brim with strip malls and fast food joints. It has gotten so bad that the Puertorican consumer doesnt even trust any product that is not american or that its not sold in Wall Mart. If a puerto rican antrepenuer comes up with a great product it is very difficult to convince the consumer because they immidiately asume that it is cheap and that we are not capable of producing high quality products wich is false. It has gotten to the point were we dont trust each other. And thats just the way the federal goverment and corporations want it.
seeing how we're taking about "the people" out of those choices, which would they have been better off with?
They would be better off with neither. Batista, who was the dictator prior to Castro, was supported by the US government and corporations. He was equally oppressive as Castro, but he allowed our interests to supercede that of his people.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
They would be better off with neither. Batista, who was the dictator prior to Castro, was supported by the US government and corporations. He was equally oppressive as Castro, but he allowed our interests to supercede that of his people.
all I want to do is drink some mohito's (spelling?) and smoke a fatty cigar on the beach in Cuba. damnit.
Me too brother and it's mojitos. My parents have told me numerous time that Varadero in Matanzas was and is one of the most beautiful beaches they have ever seen/been to. My parents have traveled extensively to some pretty nice destinations so I take their word for it.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
What the hell what? I'm illustrating that US involvment in Cuban affairs fueled thge Cuban revolution. Our support of corrupt leaders like Batista gave rise to Castro.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
What the hell what? I'm illustrating that US involvment in Cuban affairs fueled thge Cuban revolution. Our support of corrupt leaders like Batista gave rise to Castro.
gee, so how could we have not been to blame in any way?
gee, so how could we have not been to blame in any way?
We are to blame. I wouldn't blame us for Castro being a ruthless bastard, he did that all on his own. We are to blame for creating the atmosphere that brought Castro to power.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
there is a alot of truth to your statement. Why does the US care if Cuba is communist? what do you care? I dont give a shit. you know why? cuz I dont live in Cuba. Its not my problem. Who are we to tell the people of Cuba how they should distribute the wealth of their nation. I dont go over to my neighbors house and tell them how to manage their money. and if I did I would probably get told to mind my own business.
If the US would just recognize the Cuban goverment and start doing business with them Im sure everything will get better and better and people who would like to go to the beach and drink mojitos could do so freely.
there is a alot of truth to your statement. Why does the US care if Cuba is communist? what do you care? I dont give a shit. you know why? cuz I dont live in Cuba. Its not my problem. Who are we to tell the people of Cuba how they should distribute the wealth of their nation. I dont go over to my neighbors house and tell them how to manage their money. and if I did I would probably get told to mind my own business.
i agree..i could care less thana shit...
"oh it's america's fault" for every little thing is a bunch of shit.
"oh it's america's fault" for every little thing is a bunch of shit.
they have a position, we have ours.
it's simple really...
Like I said if you actually knew anything about the history of US-Cuban relations you might be taking a different tone. You stance is a prime example of people who are absolutely in the dark about the events that brought us to the present day situation but they regurgitate what had been spoon fed to them as if they actually have a clue.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Also let's talk about Castro's muderous regime or better yet why not talk about how the US sponsored, and is now protecting, well known terrorists and the countless innocent people they killed.
This little nuggets of truth was one of many facts I never once came across until I read Hegemony or Survival.
Now...can someone please explain to me the US's justification for having their biggest Gulag in Cuba? I've never understood how that works...
This little nuggets of truth was one of many facts I never once came across until I read Hegemony or Survival.
Now...can someone please explain to me the US's justification for having their biggest Gulag in Cuba? I've never understood how that works...
Look up all the info you can on Operation Mongoose, Operation Condor, Orlando Bosch, and Luis Posada Carriles. We are just as quilty as Iran, Syria, etc when it comes to state sponsored terrorism. What this country did to Cuba was carry out a policy of terrorism and aggression against a nation that never once threatened our security.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I don't support Castro at all. He has caused so much misery and suffering in my parents' homeland, but the embargo is absolutely fucking useless. Also the US shares responsibility for the conditions in Cuba. Castro wanted friendly relations with the US when he came to power and Eisenhower even greated his assent to power with approval. It was the Cuban-American community and US corporations, like United Fruit, that presurred the US government to distance itself from Castro. We then took it a step further by starting a covert war against his government. Cuba could have been a mucg different place had we decided to take a different course of action. I also love how Bush states that we will not do business with a oppressive murderous regime, well what the fuck is Saudi Arabia and China.
he's actually and anti-american anti-Israeli pro-hamas Marxist-Leninist brit. but thats cool. we all are allowed to be whatever we want.
You're full of shit. Period.
In your one-eyed, skewered little view of the world, being critical of Bush et al makes someone 'anti-American'. And being critical of the Zionist Israeli government makes someone ant-Israeli, or even 'anti-semitic'.
And for your information, I've never read Marx, or Lenin.
So, as I said above. You're full of shit.
And I was actually beginning to like you a few months back. Shame.
In your one-eyed, skewered little view of the world, being critical of Bush et al makes someone 'anti-American'. And being critical of the Zionist Israeli government makes someone ant-Israeli. And for your information I've never read Marx, or Lenin.
So, as I said above. You're full of shit.
And I was actually beginning to like you a few months back. Shame.
ha being critical of bush?? thats all you think you do?? I can dig of posts of yours that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some.....maybe I will go look it up.
and you have specifically said you support hamas and any civilian living in an occupied territory is a justified target.
ha being critical of bush?? thats all you think you do?? I can dig of posts of yours that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some.....maybe I will go look it up.
Please do. I expect you'll find the one post where I ripped into Americans per se. This was in response to a lot of sabre-rattling against immigrants. I explained afterwards that the post was largely tonge-in-cheek. But go ahead, pounce on that one crumb and knock yourself out with it.
Please do. I expect you'll find the one post where I ripped into Americans per se. This was in response to a lot of sabre-rattling against immigrants. I explained afterwards that the post was largely tonge-in-cheek. But go ahead, pounce on that one crumb and knock yourself out with it.
That's right.
ok then, what are you getting so upset for? looks like I nailed it.
ha being critical of bush?? thats all you think you do?? I can dig of posts of yours that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some.....maybe I will go look it up.
You said you can dig up posts of mine '...that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some...'. Well I'm still waiting.
Or is this just more of the same groundless, vacuous crap that we all come to expect from you on a daily basis?
and you have specifically said you support hamas and any civilian living in an occupied territory is a justified target.
Please explain how my saying that 'any Jew living on illegally occupied Palestinian land is a legitimate target' makes me anti-Israeli.
Go on, give it a go. Try and stretch that earwigs brain of yours and surprise me. I'm in a fun kind of mood this evening.
You said you can dig up posts of mine '...that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some...'. Well I'm still waiting.
Or is this just more of the same groundless, vacuous crap that we all come to expect from you on a daily basis?
I dont need to. you already admitting in your above post. and then tried to run and hide saying it was all "tongue and cheek"
Please explain how my saying that 'any Jew living on illegally occupied Palestinian land is a legitimate target' makes me anti-Israeli.
Go on, give it a go. Try and stretch that earwigs brain of yours and surprise me. I'm in a fun kind of mood this evening.
maybe its just my opinion that...... you supporting innocent israeli civilians being targeted...... as anti-Israeli.
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Yeah here in Puerto Rico American corporations own mostly everything and now this once bueatifull paradise is filled to the brim with strip malls and fast food joints. It has gotten so bad that the Puertorican consumer doesnt even trust any product that is not american or that its not sold in Wall Mart. If a puerto rican antrepenuer comes up with a great product it is very difficult to convince the consumer because they immidiately asume that it is cheap and that we are not capable of producing high quality products wich is false. It has gotten to the point were we dont trust each other. And thats just the way the federal goverment and corporations want it.
They would be better off with neither. Batista, who was the dictator prior to Castro, was supported by the US government and corporations. He was equally oppressive as Castro, but he allowed our interests to supercede that of his people.
well, then, what the hell?
Me too brother and it's mojitos. My parents have told me numerous time that Varadero in Matanzas was and is one of the most beautiful beaches they have ever seen/been to. My parents have traveled extensively to some pretty nice destinations so I take their word for it.
What the hell what? I'm illustrating that US involvment in Cuban affairs fueled thge Cuban revolution. Our support of corrupt leaders like Batista gave rise to Castro.
gee, so how could we have not been to blame in any way?
We are to blame. I wouldn't blame us for Castro being a ruthless bastard, he did that all on his own. We are to blame for creating the atmosphere that brought Castro to power.
let me get an AMEN!!!!!!!!!
there is a alot of truth to your statement. Why does the US care if Cuba is communist? what do you care? I dont give a shit. you know why? cuz I dont live in Cuba. Its not my problem. Who are we to tell the people of Cuba how they should distribute the wealth of their nation. I dont go over to my neighbors house and tell them how to manage their money. and if I did I would probably get told to mind my own business.
If the US would just recognize the Cuban goverment and start doing business with them Im sure everything will get better and better and people who would like to go to the beach and drink mojitos could do so freely.
i agree..i could care less thana shit...
"oh it's america's fault" for every little thing is a bunch of shit.
they have a position, we have ours.
it's simple really...
Like I said if you actually knew anything about the history of US-Cuban relations you might be taking a different tone. You stance is a prime example of people who are absolutely in the dark about the events that brought us to the present day situation but they regurgitate what had been spoon fed to them as if they actually have a clue.
This little nuggets of truth was one of many facts I never once came across until I read Hegemony or Survival.
Now...can someone please explain to me the US's justification for having their biggest Gulag in Cuba? I've never understood how that works...
Look up all the info you can on Operation Mongoose, Operation Condor, Orlando Bosch, and Luis Posada Carriles. We are just as quilty as Iran, Syria, etc when it comes to state sponsored terrorism. What this country did to Cuba was carry out a policy of terrorism and aggression against a nation that never once threatened our security.
Well said.
You sound like the typical spoilt child who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his own way.
spoilt?
anyway, coming from you that's a compliment
you sound like every anti american left wing dolt that wasted air
he's actually and anti-american anti-Israeli pro-hamas Marxist-Leninist brit. but thats cool. we all are allowed to be whatever we want.
You're full of shit. Period.
In your one-eyed, skewered little view of the world, being critical of Bush et al makes someone 'anti-American'. And being critical of the Zionist Israeli government makes someone ant-Israeli, or even 'anti-semitic'.
And for your information, I've never read Marx, or Lenin.
So, as I said above. You're full of shit.
And I was actually beginning to like you a few months back. Shame.
what are you getting so upset for? I was just telling the new guy who you are. something I left out? maybe pro baathist?
ha being critical of bush?? thats all you think you do?? I can dig of posts of yours that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some.....maybe I will go look it up.
and you have specifically said you support hamas and any civilian living in an occupied territory is a justified target.
Please do. I expect you'll find the one post where I ripped into Americans per se. This was in response to a lot of sabre-rattling against immigrants. I explained afterwards that the post was largely tonge-in-cheek. But go ahead, pounce on that one crumb and knock yourself out with it.
That's right.
ok then, what are you getting so upset for? looks like I nailed it.
You need to go back to school.
+1000000
You said you can dig up posts of mine '...that flat out stereotype ALL americans as brainwashed, arrogant, greedy people. and then some...'. Well I'm still waiting.
Or is this just more of the same groundless, vacuous crap that we all come to expect from you on a daily basis?
Please explain how my saying that 'any Jew living on illegally occupied Palestinian land is a legitimate target' makes me anti-Israeli.
Go on, give it a go. Try and stretch that earwigs brain of yours and surprise me. I'm in a fun kind of mood this evening.
maybe its just my opinion that...... you supporting innocent israeli civilians being targeted...... as anti-Israeli.
others can decide for themselves.