Dolphin and whale killing in Japan

catefrances · February 2007

okay i have now watched that video 6 times. what is it that i am missing?
i get to the part about the fishermen injuring some of the dolphins with a spear thrust or knife slash, 'because dolphins won't abandon injured family members'. and then i see a dolphin in the back of a truck. is that it? is that the whole video? am i missing something?

PaperPlates · February 2007

sourdough wrote:

Which customs are you referring to? I don't condone anything that is cruel.

Good to know. Some do.

Hats off to you, for recognizing cruelty for what it is. As I stated, I'd prefer to see those dolphins killed in a more humane manner. I highly doubt they are killing them for sport. In fact, knowing Japanese culinary habits, I'll be EVERY piece of that dolphin is used. They don't waste anything.

sourdough · February 2007

PaperPlates wrote:

Good to know. Some do.

Hats off to you, for recognizing cruelty for what it is. As I stated, I'd prefer to see those dolphins killed in a more humane manner. I highly doubt they are killing them for sport. In fact, knowing Japanese culinary habits, I'll be EVERY piece of that dolphin is used. They don't waste anything.

They are not killing them for sport per se, but part of their motivation for killing dolphins is that they threaten fish stocks which they depend on. Similarly to some fishers in North America who shoot sea lions and seals. Dolphin meat is sold as "whale meat" which is a delicacy. They are only allowed to hunt 299 whales per year (one less than the maximum allowed for "scientific research") so they supplement it with dolphin meat.

Unfortunately the Japanese DO waste quite a bit. Most fishers do. They use huge trawlers which catch everything in its path. Therefore there is tons of bycatch and inedible fish/mammals etc that get caught and get dumped. A shrimp boat will often catch and kill 10x more bycatch than shrimp. They left that out of Forrest Gump

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There are humane ways of killing and hunting and that was neither humane or efficient. I don't understnad why they wouldn't at least just shoot them.

PaperPlates · February 2007

sourdough wrote:

They are not killing them for sport per se, but part of their motivation for killing dolphins is that they threaten fish stocks which they depend on. Similarly to some fishers in North America who shoot sea lions and seals. Dolphin meat is sold as "whale meat" which is a delicacy. They are only allowed to hunt 299 whales per year (one less than the maximum allowed for "scientific research") so they supplement it with dolphin meat.

Unfortunately the Japanese DO waste quite a bit. Most fishers do. They use huge trawlers which catch everything in its path. Therefore there is tons of bycatch and inedible fish/mammals etc that get caught and get dumped. A shrimp boat will often catch and kill 10x more bycatch than shrimp. They left that out of Forrest Gump .

There are humane ways of killing and hunting and that was neither humane or efficient. I don't understnad why they wouldn't at least just shoot them.

PaperPlates wrote:

Its an animal. Humans eat animals. ALways have, always will. Whats a bullet cost? The japanese can make anything on the cheap, I gotta think a bullet costs a few cents. Even our cows die quickly and painlessly compared to that.

I agree.

sourdough · February 2007

catefrances wrote:

okay i have now watched that video 6 times. what is it that i am missing?
i get to the part about the fishermen injuring some of the dolphins with a spear thrust or knife slash, 'because dolphins won't abandon injured family members'. and then i see a dolphin in the back of a truck. is that it? is that the whole video? am i missing something?

Slaughter houses typically kill their animals by shocking them before slaughtering them. Almost instantaneously, the animal is unconscious and killed much more quickly. There is also not the distress of being rounded up in the same manner as the dolphins, or harnessed and pulled out by their tails. Dolphins are very intelligent as well so they can understand and sense when they are under attack or when their members of their social group is being killed or removed. Cows, sheep etc do not have that experience. They are coralled and put down without the same distress.

I'm not saying that slaughter houses are perfect or anywhere near it, but they are definitely comparable in the sense of barbary.

catefrances · February 2007

sourdough wrote:

Slaughter houses typically kill their animals by shocking them before slaughtering them. Almost instantaneously, the animal is unconscious and killed much more quickly. There is also not the distress of being rounded up in the same manner as the dolphins, or harnessed and pulled out by their tails. Dolphins are very intelligent as well so they can understand and sense when they are under attack or when their members of their social group is being killed or removed. Cows, sheep etc do not have that experience. They are coralled and put down without the same distress.

I'm not saying that slaughter houses are perfect or anywhere near it, but they are definitely comparable in the sense of barbary.

i just didn't see any actual slaughter is all. i thought that perhaps there was a segment missing from the video i was watching.

and yeah i'd rather be shocked then slaughtered like a cow. that sounds much more preferable.

run_into_the_rain · February 2007

catefrances wrote:

okay i have now watched that video 6 times. what is it that i am missing?
i get to the part about the fishermen injuring some of the dolphins with a spear thrust or knife slash, 'because dolphins won't abandon injured family members'. and then i see a dolphin in the back of a truck. is that it? is that the whole video? am i missing something?

You are deffinetley missing something. There almost decapitated and left to bleed to death while they thrash around on the blood red cement floor.

I have a hard time explaing how I feel, that is increnibly in-humane. They are so inteligent. Nothing should die like that ever. I would expect that people better understand the value of life.

For those of you are debating on slaughter of cattle, I live in a rural area where many people survive off ranches. I have seen cattle slaughtered localy with point blank shot of low calliber or often they are struck in the head with a hammer. I don't like either but my oppinion on eating animals does nothing in my comunity but make me an outsider

RolandTD20Kdrummer · February 2007

whoa...flipper was definitely flipping out....especially when they started cutting into them all alive with huge machetes. A pretty shitty death. They should have run them through band saws or used guillotines. Or eaten tofu...

catefrances · February 2007

run_into_the_rain wrote:

I have a hard time explaing how I feel, that is increnibly in-humane. They are so inteligent. Nothing should die like that ever. I would expect that people better understand the value of life.

so the more intelligent an animal the more humane we should treat it?

by that rationale, peace should spontaneously break out across the globe, because nothing on earth is apparently more intelligent than mankind. and yet we treat each other abysmally. we torture but then do not offer the solace of death.

Smellyman2 · February 2007

This is a PETA vid (I Know) w/ Trent Reznor, but it is VERY shocking. People who can treat animals this way should be in prison.

Garfield and Rover aren't treated to well in China. All in the name of fur.

fuckers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCH2nNWu2Pw

ThumbingMyWay32 · February 2007

catefrances wrote:

so the more intelligent an animal the more humane we should treat it?

by that rationale, peace should spontaneously break out across the globe, because nothing on earth is apparently more intelligent than mankind. and yet we treat each other abysmally. we torture but then do not offer the solace of death.

lol Great post.

kdpjam · February 2007

i won't watch the video, i am sorry, but i am already depressed.... i feel bad for any inhumane action.

aren't the japanese skinning cats and dogs for their furs? and aren't we here in the states (like cate said) and other places slaughtering cows and pigs in an AWFUL AWFUL WAY if you saw you may never eat meat again?

its a worldwide problem. makes me want to not eat,. seriously i will take lettuce. i can't feel too guilty hacking into a head of lettuce..

sourdough · February 2007

kdpjam wrote:

i won't watch the video, i am sorry, but i am already depressed.... i feel bad for any inhumane action.

aren't the japanese skinning cats and dogs for their furs? and aren't we here in the states (like cate said) and other places slaughtering cows and pigs in an AWFUL AWFUL WAY if you saw you may never eat meat again?

its a worldwide problem. makes me want to not eat,. seriously i will take lettuce. i can't feel too guilty hacking into a head of lettuce..

The skinning of dogs and cats is a chinese thing. Livestock in NA is slaughtered much more humanely (relative to the dolphins).

I think what people forget is that death is intrinsic to food production. Even agriculture results in death of many animals who are displaced due to deforestation and habitat loss on top of damages due to pesticides and aquifer depletion etc... Its a matter of minimizing loss of life and cruelty.

ThumbingMyWay32 · February 2007

sourdough wrote:

The skinning of dogs and cats is a chinese thing. Livestock in NA is slaughtered much more humanely (relative to the dolphins).

I think what people forget is that death is intrinsic to food production. Even agriculture results in death of many animals who are displaced due to deforestation and habitat loss on top of damages due to pesticides and aquifer depletion etc... Its a matter of minimizing loss of life and cruelty.

I'd like to suggest that taking an apple from an apple tree is much the same as ripping the balls from a cow.

Plants are living things too!

Smellyman2 · February 2007

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

I'd like to suggest that taking an apple from an apple tree is much the same as ripping the balls from a cow.

Plants are living things too!

plants produce fruit so animals will spread their seed.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · February 2007

Smellyman wrote:

This is a PETA vid (I Know) w/ Trent Reznor, but it is VERY shocking. People who can treat animals this way should be in prison.

Garfield and Rover aren't treated to well in China. All in the name of fur.

fuckers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCH2nNWu2Pw

If it's on dogs and cats them I'm not watching it. I saw this 60 min documentary on deep frying cats and dogs in Vietnam. They knocked what were essentially house pets, puppies...cute cats and kittens over the head a few times, and chucked them in boiling oil for a few minutes so they could easily pull all their hair off (i.e. skin them). Then they toss them in huge buckets of water. A lot were boiled and skinned alive and still swimming around in the water trying to breathe not dead. Several minutes later they would pull them out and start chopping them u like chicken. German Sheppard puppies even...

Nasty.

Scubascott · February 2007

catefrances wrote:

okay i have now watched that video 6 times. what is it that i am missing?
i get to the part about the fishermen injuring some of the dolphins with a spear thrust or knife slash, 'because dolphins won't abandon injured family members'. and then i see a dolphin in the back of a truck. is that it? is that the whole video? am i missing something?

Yep, I think you're missing something. The video showed dolphins being hoisted alive out of the water by their tails, being dragged alive along the ground behind a truck, and then having their throats slit and allowed to bleed to death.

It was pretty fucked up. At least sheep and cattle are stunned before they are bled, and they aren't dragged around kicking and screaming by their tails.

catefrances · February 2007

thought so. i was wondering what all the fuss was about. i'll have to watch it at uni next week. and get back to you all.

WindNoSail · February 2007

Nor do I feel like it right now, I have seen this shit before and I have seen Nick Berg's head sawed off, and it is all beyond belief.

Anyone want to agree with me that humankind has the potential to be absolutely fucked?

Reminds me of the Chinese dog farms, where they put them in cages about 8 inches high so they can just lay there, then eventually they skin them alive. Fuckers.

I measure a person by their treatment of animals, if they treat animals without consideration or feeling, they are just a step away.

Don't get me wrong, I have hunted, fished, eat meat, etc. The Indians in North America believed that when they took a kill that the animal's spirit gave itself to them, and that it was part of the natural cycle of life. We don't have that concept in our minds today, seems like all we see are resources for the taking without consideration. And obviously without understanding.

sponger · February 2007

Swimming with dolphins is used to treat depression and cancer.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051125105024.htm

http://www.aquathought.com/briefing/dolphres.html

Dolphin and whale killing in Japan

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