so the more intelligent an animal the more humane we should treat it?
by that rationale, peace should spontaneously break out across the globe, because nothing on earth is apparently more intelligent than mankind. and yet we treat each other abysmally. we torture but then do not offer the solace of death.
lol Great post.
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i won't watch the video, i am sorry, but i am already depressed.... i feel bad for any inhumane action.
aren't the japanese skinning cats and dogs for their furs? and aren't we here in the states (like cate said) and other places slaughtering cows and pigs in an AWFUL AWFUL WAY if you saw you may never eat meat again?
its a worldwide problem. makes me want to not eat,. seriously i will take lettuce. i can't feel too guilty hacking into a head of lettuce..
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i won't watch the video, i am sorry, but i am already depressed.... i feel bad for any inhumane action.
aren't the japanese skinning cats and dogs for their furs? and aren't we here in the states (like cate said) and other places slaughtering cows and pigs in an AWFUL AWFUL WAY if you saw you may never eat meat again?
its a worldwide problem. makes me want to not eat,. seriously i will take lettuce. i can't feel too guilty hacking into a head of lettuce..
The skinning of dogs and cats is a chinese thing. Livestock in NA is slaughtered much more humanely (relative to the dolphins).
I think what people forget is that death is intrinsic to food production. Even agriculture results in death of many animals who are displaced due to deforestation and habitat loss on top of damages due to pesticides and aquifer depletion etc... Its a matter of minimizing loss of life and cruelty.
The skinning of dogs and cats is a chinese thing. Livestock in NA is slaughtered much more humanely (relative to the dolphins).
I think what people forget is that death is intrinsic to food production. Even agriculture results in death of many animals who are displaced due to deforestation and habitat loss on top of damages due to pesticides and aquifer depletion etc... Its a matter of minimizing loss of life and cruelty.
I'd like to suggest that taking an apple from an apple tree is much the same as ripping the balls from a cow.
Plants are living things too!
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
If it's on dogs and cats them I'm not watching it. I saw this 60 min documentary on deep frying cats and dogs in Vietnam. They knocked what were essentially house pets, puppies...cute cats and kittens over the head a few times, and chucked them in boiling oil for a few minutes so they could easily pull all their hair off (i.e. skin them). Then they toss them in huge buckets of water. A lot were boiled and skinned alive and still swimming around in the water trying to breathe not dead. Several minutes later they would pull them out and start chopping them u like chicken. German Sheppard puppies even...
Nasty.
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okay i have now watched that video 6 times. what is it that i am missing?
i get to the part about the fishermen injuring some of the dolphins with a spear thrust or knife slash, 'because dolphins won't abandon injured family members'. and then i see a dolphin in the back of a truck. is that it? is that the whole video? am i missing something?
Yep, I think you're missing something. The video showed dolphins being hoisted alive out of the water by their tails, being dragged alive along the ground behind a truck, and then having their throats slit and allowed to bleed to death.
It was pretty fucked up. At least sheep and cattle are stunned before they are bled, and they aren't dragged around kicking and screaming by their tails.
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Nor do I feel like it right now, I have seen this shit before and I have seen Nick Berg's head sawed off, and it is all beyond belief.
Anyone want to agree with me that humankind has the potential to be absolutely fucked?
Reminds me of the Chinese dog farms, where they put them in cages about 8 inches high so they can just lay there, then eventually they skin them alive. Fuckers.
I measure a person by their treatment of animals, if they treat animals without consideration or feeling, they are just a step away.
Don't get me wrong, I have hunted, fished, eat meat, etc. The Indians in North America believed that when they took a kill that the animal's spirit gave itself to them, and that it was part of the natural cycle of life. We don't have that concept in our minds today, seems like all we see are resources for the taking without consideration. And obviously without understanding.
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lol Great post.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
aren't the japanese skinning cats and dogs for their furs? and aren't we here in the states (like cate said) and other places slaughtering cows and pigs in an AWFUL AWFUL WAY if you saw you may never eat meat again?
its a worldwide problem. makes me want to not eat,. seriously i will take lettuce. i can't feel too guilty hacking into a head of lettuce..
~it is shining it is shining~
I think what people forget is that death is intrinsic to food production. Even agriculture results in death of many animals who are displaced due to deforestation and habitat loss on top of damages due to pesticides and aquifer depletion etc... Its a matter of minimizing loss of life and cruelty.
I'd like to suggest that taking an apple from an apple tree is much the same as ripping the balls from a cow.
Plants are living things too!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
plants produce fruit so animals will spread their seed.
If it's on dogs and cats them I'm not watching it. I saw this 60 min documentary on deep frying cats and dogs in Vietnam. They knocked what were essentially house pets, puppies...cute cats and kittens over the head a few times, and chucked them in boiling oil for a few minutes so they could easily pull all their hair off (i.e. skin them). Then they toss them in huge buckets of water. A lot were boiled and skinned alive and still swimming around in the water trying to breathe not dead. Several minutes later they would pull them out and start chopping them u like chicken. German Sheppard puppies even...
Nasty.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yep, I think you're missing something. The video showed dolphins being hoisted alive out of the water by their tails, being dragged alive along the ground behind a truck, and then having their throats slit and allowed to bleed to death.
It was pretty fucked up. At least sheep and cattle are stunned before they are bled, and they aren't dragged around kicking and screaming by their tails.
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Anyone want to agree with me that humankind has the potential to be absolutely fucked?
Reminds me of the Chinese dog farms, where they put them in cages about 8 inches high so they can just lay there, then eventually they skin them alive. Fuckers.
I measure a person by their treatment of animals, if they treat animals without consideration or feeling, they are just a step away.
Don't get me wrong, I have hunted, fished, eat meat, etc. The Indians in North America believed that when they took a kill that the animal's spirit gave itself to them, and that it was part of the natural cycle of life. We don't have that concept in our minds today, seems like all we see are resources for the taking without consideration. And obviously without understanding.
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