Russian scientist predicts global COOLING!

cutback wrote:

Whoa, calm down now. Let's not bring logic into this discussion. AlGore said this is happening so we must believe him. Remember, he invented this magical device we are communicating on so he knows what he is talking about.

This isn't about what Al Gore says. It's about what the overwhelming majority of the scientific community says.

And Gore never claimed to have invented the internet, so it's long past time to put that one to rest :rolleyes:

Jeez, can't I have a little fun?

sliverstain wrote:

So what you are saying is, this one report rubbishes the endless stream of data that proves climate change is real, is going to kill an awful lot of people?

You rubbish ALL evidence that shows this then?

IF so, you need help. IF not, why the fuck post an inane little article like this?

I would have thought you'd have learned your lesson by now.

Unfortunately, you have not.

Shame.

EvilToasterElf wrote:

Global Warming is a misnomer, global warming is in fact the result of increased atmospheric energy which leads to greater temperature extremes in both directions. More vicious blizzards, more vicious hurricanes etc...

However, once the temperature shifts high enough during summer extremes the ice caps begin to melt, this leads to a massive amount of freezing water being added to the oceans, salinity, sea level, and global temperature will be affected most likely on a downturn, a serious downturn.

The fresh water inclusion begins to change prevailing currents, which begins to change prevailing winds and eventually the global weather patterns. The ultimate result of which will ironically be that a global "warming" trend inevitably leads to something resembling an ice age.

This is only one of several hypothesis. Other hypothesis conclude that with greater amount of water cover due to rising ocean levels, more insolation will be stored in the oceans which is very efficient at storing heat and redistributing it. There are many different potential outcomes, but there is no question of climate change itself. Its like saying that we know cigerettes cause cancer but we don't know what kind you'll get.

Top scientist's fears for climate
By Roger Harrabin
BBC environment analyst



Sea levels could rise by four metres over the next century, he warns

One of America's top scientists has said that the world has already entered a state of dangerous climate change.

In his first broadcast interview as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, John Holdren told the BBC that the climate was changing much faster than predicted.

"We are not talking anymore about what climate models say might happen in the future.

"We are experiencing dangerous human disruption of the global climate and we're going to experience more," Professor Holdren said.

He emphasised the seriousness of the melting Greenland ice cap, saying that without drastic action the world would experience more heatwaves, wild fires and floods.

He added that if the current pace of change continued, a catastrophic sea level rise of 4m (13ft) this century was within the realm of possibility; much higher than previous forecasts.

To put this in perspective, Professor Holdren pointed out that the melting of the Greenland ice cap, alone, could increase world-wide sea levels by 7m (23ft), swamping many cities.

Safe limits

He blamed President Bush not only for refusing to cut emissions, but also for failing to live up to his rhetoric on harnessing technology to tackle climate change.

"We are not starting to address climate change with the technology we have in hand, and we are not accelerating our investment in energy technology research and development," Professor Holdren observed.

He said research undertaken by Harvard University revealed that US government spending on energy research had not increased since 2001. In order to make any progress, funding for climate technology needed to multiply by three or four times, Professor Holdren warned.

Last year, the UK's Prime Minister, Tony Blair, held a science conference to determine the threshold of dangerous climate change. Delegates concluded that to be relatively certain of keeping the rise below 2C (3.6F), CO2 levels in the atmosphere should not exceed 400 parts per million (ppm) and the highest prudent limit should be 450 ppm.

In October, at an international conference in Mexico, UK environment and energy ministers will try to persuade colleagues from the top 20 most polluting nations to agree on a CO2 stabilisation level.

Professor Holdren expressed doubt that progress could be achieved because if the US administration agreed that there was a need to limit CO2, this would inevitably lead to mandatory caps. President Bush has already rejected that option.

For more than a year, the BBC has invited the US government to give its view on safe levels of CO2. Our request is repeatedly passed between the White House office of the Council on Environmental Quality and the office of the US chief scientist.

To date, we have received no response to questions on this issue that Tony Blair calls the most important in the world. Professor Holdren called on the US Government to back the UK position.

John Holdren, in addition to his presidency of the AAAS, is a director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, and Professor of Environmental Policy at Harvard University


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If I could repeat the remarks I'd like to i'd be banned for 2 days again.

So i'll say it lightly.

The starter of this thread is an extremely biased and uneducated person (uneducated on the issue i mean).

Either that or a strait-up Stephen Colbertish parody...

binauralsounds wrote:

Why do you dare say that about me?? I didn't write the article, just posting what a scientist reported! Maybe you can vent to him, not ME.

Thank you!

You've been posting every one of these right winged sensationlist anti-global warming threads on the forum for the last month or so it seems. So YOU are bringing these issues to hand without ever actually backing up claims against the global warming science.

But anyway, i've decided you're a parody

binauralsounds wrote:

Ok, WHICH IS IT?????????



Russian scientist predicts global cooling
MOSCOW, Aug. 25 (UPI) -- A Russian scientist predicts a period of global cooling in coming decades, followed by a warmer interval.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov expects a repeat of the period known as the Little Ice Age. During the 16th century, the Baltic Sea froze so hard that hotels were built on the ice for people crossing the sea in coaches.

The Little Ice Age is believed to have contributed to the end of the Norse colony in Greenland, which was founded during an interval of much warmer weather.

Abdusamatov and his colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences astronomical observatory said the prediction is based on measurement of solar emissions, Novosti reported. They expect the cooling to begin within a few years and to reach its peak between 2055 and 2060.

"The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times," he said. "The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth's global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol."

I think he's wrong, the mini ice ages come when the earth's orbit is far less round and more oval around the sun, which is about a 100,000 yr occurance, we are in the rounder orbit of the sun at the moment...but then the sun can explode tomorrow, who knows?