Todays Democratic Party is dead.......

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  • nothinghead
    nothinghead Posts: 270
    Haven't noticed a lot of dutch folks swimming the Rio Grande to get here...but if they are, it might have something to do with the favorable conversion rate on currency.

    And, in all honesty, as someone who feels both parties have gone to shit on economic policies, having an argument over which party is more socialist after nearly a trillion dollars worth of bailouts and the McCain proposal to suck up bad homeowner loans to the tune of three hundred billion dollars is pointless.

    They both look pretty socialist at the moment. Not only that, but it seems like we're only getting the shitty parts of socialism. A little health care or college money would be nice...
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
    Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
    Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.

    sorry, but your fear tactics don't work. Republicans have destroyed this country, and lost all credibility, so say all you want, but your claim above is ridiculous, and overblown, baseless, and not credible. Hope conservatives enjoy having no voice, cause the middle class ain't listening.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    We should all sit back and let the rich provide for us.

    But what if they decide to do the same?

    Or leave the country?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    First of all, the whole notion that the rich "worked their asses off" for their money and therefore should not have money "taken away from them" (i.e. higher taxes) is a crock of shit. It implies that the middle class is lazy and unworthy, which is not true. My mother works 65+ hours a week just to get by and it's just about killing her. Don't you dare call her fucking lazy or say that she doesn't work hard. It's so easy for the rich to pat themselves on the back because their life situation allowed them to work hard and get rich. But not everyone has that luxury.

    Second of all, this is directed to you, acousticguy: just give it the fuck up already. You leap at every chance you get to display your idiocy and you reek of ignorance. Just give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.
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  • evenkat
    evenkat Posts: 380
    dunkman wrote:
    hmm interesting, but all i was saying was the US and the Euro countries have all followed Brown's lead on this one... of course if it fucks i'll claim it was Americas fault anyway ;)

    but aye, Europe could be in danger... especially smaller countries... i think the Scandinavian countries and Ireland might be in danger.. and seing as how Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty then they might not get much help from the EU :o

    Well to be honest the US and Europe need each other to dig out of this mess. It's not in the best interest of the US or Europe for either side of the Atlantic to crash financially because it will devastate the other.

    Hmm so Ireland will be punished for rejecting the Lisbon Treaty? That's how the EU deals with countries that don't agree with everything?

    I didn't agree with the bailout but the more I read about it, the more I understand why it was needed I guess. It still sounds a little too much like corporate welfare to me though.
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  • SuzannePjam
    SuzannePjam Posts: 411
    I love how republicans love to think the democrats are so socialistic, when Bill Clinton got rid of millions of people off the welfare rolls, AND balanced the budget. If a republican president did that, you republicans would have considered him to be a god.

    McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time, and yet he's so different from the Bush Administration? You think he's going to get us out of this mess?? He's the one who helped get us into this mess by being a kiss ass Bush toady. Oh, wait, he's a maverick. Yeah, rite.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
    Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
    Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.
    capitalism ended a long time ago. Reagan and his neoliberalism created a corporate welfare state, he transforemd the state into an institution designed to guarantee private profit, ie socialism.


    Its simple. Lockheed. The US gov't gives them billions of tax payer dollars to develop a product (grants). Once the product is developed they give them billions in tax payer dollars to manufacture that product. And then of course they buy that product, again with tax dollars. Absolutley NO risk from the company, abolutely noneed for any capitalist principles, they have a guaranteed market for a product they don't even have to pay to develop or produce. Pure socialism, although they do see benefits from the exchange, they get to reap the profits.

    Government has turned into a corporate welfare institution, there to guarantee corporate profit. Capitalism is long gone.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
    Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
    Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.

    Almost nothing in your post is true, almost everything in your post is contradictory, you seem to be unable to grasp the full scope of the current problem, and you are very uninformed as to what Obama's economic plan actually entails.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    yeah, we should definitely vote out the party that raised spending to astronomical levels, increased federal power, engaged in corporate socialism, and stripped civil rights. communism is alive and well.

    OH WAIT! Those were republicans. damn.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
    Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
    Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.

    wow, wrong on almost every count.

    fine, vote for for the Crypt Keeper and caribou barbie and brace for impact!
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.


    Sweet. I'm totally voting for Obama now.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    Sweet. I'm totally voting for Obama now.
    lol. no shit good call.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    know1 wrote:
    We should all sit back and let the rich provide for us.
    Good idea, how come we didn't think of it before? oh wait, aren't most of the people working their asses to actually produce wealth, while only a minority profits (I'll leave you to decide if that minority is the poorest or the richest). Never forget that the middle class has neither benefits nor high levels of income;
    But what if they decide to do the same?
    Or leave the country?
    :eek:
    What if there are less and less rich people (just richer) and more and more poor people (and poorer). Wouldn't that be the same? Which is were we are headed anyways.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    evenkat wrote:

    Hmm so Ireland will be punished for rejecting the Lisbon Treaty? That's how the EU deals with countries that don't agree with everything?

    i'm not saying they will but it'll be hard to be empathetic to a country which rejected a stronger and more unified europe. Obviously common sense will prevail but Ireland has been backed up by many millions of other countries tax money for many years, and so to reject Lisbon might be seen as a bit of 'kick to the teeth' of other Euro countries.

    Again, just hypothesising, not saying it will be the case. :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Its now over ran with Socialist.
    The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
    Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
    Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.

    also dude... 3 weeks ago on this very forum you admitted you were just getting into politics, 3 weeks later you're trying to tell me ALL the people in Europe want to live in America (which they dont) and that we are all socialists????

    do some research first maybe? :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Kann wrote:
    Good idea, how come we didn't think of it before? oh wait, aren't most of the people working their asses to actually produce wealth, while only a minority profits (I'll leave you to decide if that minority is the poorest or the richest). Never forget that the middle class has neither benefits nor high levels of income;


    :eek:
    What if there are less and less rich people (just richer) and more and more poor people (and poorer). Wouldn't that be the same? Which is were we are headed anyways.

    Only a minority profits? If you get a paycheck, you're profiting.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    What makes this sadly ironic is that Obama's plans involve by far the least government intervention of the three main Democratic candidates from the beginning of this race. There's a bit more to government-sponsored socialism than heavy taxation, although you wouldn't know it from some of the responses in this thread. Socialism involves government control and ownership of private insititutions, and it must be total. This recent direct injection of capital into the banks comes close to that, although we've come close to that in the past during the Depression and in the 80s with Continental Illiniois Bank. What is it about Obama's health care plan that's socialist? A socialist plan would be a completely government-run plan, which is not Obama's plan at all. Obama proposes a middle-class tax cut; less government intervention with the people, not more. Socialist government is not using more money to fund organizations and programs; it's a top-down approach where the government is involved in every aspect of public life. The Democratic Party has socialist elements, because it is the left (although I suppose that's arguable). It's not entirely socialist, because that's the extreme of a moderate party. Similarly, Republicans have elements of fascism, but the party is not fascist; it's simply the extreme example of political ideology for Republicianism in the States.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    dunkman wrote:
    he looks like a human badger doesnt he?
    Pretty much. I mean, really, how hard would it be to take a bottle of Just for Men "Natural grey" to those bad boys and sort them out?
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    know1 wrote:
    Only a minority profits? If you get a paycheck, you're profiting.
    Ok obviously we have a very different outlook on work.

    Production of something (a service, a book, a chair, a repair...) = work = being paid.

    Cashing dividends while not producing anything = not work = being paid a whole lot more than working.

    Looking for work = not work = being paid a little to not loose your home before being able to find work.

    You could argue all the categories deserves the money, but surely you can't argue that only the 2nd really deserves the money?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    obama a socialist!??

    how to know someone's been reading right wing propaganda without any objectivity ...

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