Todays Democratic Party is dead.......

Pacomc79

Kann wrote:

Ok obviously we have a very different outlook on work.

Production of something (a service, a book, a chair, a repair...) = work = being paid.

Cashing dividends while not producing anything = not work = being paid a whole lot more than working.

Looking for work = not work = being paid a little to not loose your home before being able to find work.

You could argue all the categories deserves the money, but surely you can't argue that only the 2nd really deserves the money?

but you are producing something when you cash dividends. You are enabling the production of all that other stuff. You are lending people money so they have the ability to produce books chairs etc. That's as important as anything isn't it? Materials aren't free. If it was easy to be a trader or hedge fund manager wouldn't everyone do it?

Kann

Pacomc79 wrote:

but you are producing something when you cash dividends. You are enabling the production of all that other stuff. You are lending people money so they have the ability to produce books chairs etc. That's as important as anything isn't it? Materials aren't free. If it was easy to be a trader or hedge fund manager wouldn't everyone do it?

Investement and capitalization are important, but I think it shoud logically be done in a long-term perspective to prevent putting the actual production at risk. People here are talking of a slow yet consistent shift of the ressources from production to dividends, less and less money is going to the first category while more and more is going to the second. While they are important, the first are just as much (if not more according to some ).
I never said it was easy to be a hedge fund manager, it's a job I would hate, way too much pressure. But the problem, imo again, is this transfer of capital from the concrete production to the for abstract investors which is dangerous - way more than the welfare state (which could be greatly improved I think we all agree on this).

acoustic guy

SuzannePjam wrote:

I love how republicans love to think the democrats are so socialistic, when Bill Clinton got rid of millions of people off the welfare rolls, AND balanced the budget. If a republican president did that, you republicans would have considered him to be a god.

Hey I agree Clinton was a great president. I really like him. But its a different group of people in there now.

And to Dunk. Many do wan tto come to America. Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America. Like I said before, I know we ar enot so popular right now and won't be for a while but thats life. We may have lost a few battles but we will never loose the war.

dunkman

acoustic guy wrote:

Hey I agree Clinton was a great president. I really like him. But its a different group of people in there now.

And to Dunk. Many do wan tto come to America. Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America. Like I said before, I know we ar enot so popular right now and won't be for a while but thats life. We may have lost a few battles but we will never loose the war.

oh dont get me wrong, i know that some people want to go there, just as i know that in London its impossible for an Londoner to serve me a beer from a bar... all the staff are European or Australian... still doesnt mean ALL europeans want to move to the US...

what war you fighting AG? the war to become No1 nation of the world? why? why the need for a victory like that? can't you just be happy living in a great country? i know i am.

NMyTree

acoustic guy wrote:

Its now over ran with Socialist.
The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak. If Obama gets elected its the end of Capitalism as we know it.
Not being a part of Socialism is what makes America great. Why do you think all the people from europe want to come here.....because Socialism does not work! You pay high ass taxes and the premiums are out the ass. In that type of goverment you are limited on your achievements. America is the land of oppertunity. So a bunch of idiots tried to live above their means and buy expensive houses. So now we have to have a whole new financial restructuring? Total bullshit.
Oh and the redistribution of wealth thing????? What a motherfucker. How dare he say that to hardworking people out there who bust their ass because they want more for their families.

The Democrat party is indeed dead. They have been for at least nine years.

Socialists?

That's some pretty funny shit coming from a supporter of Facist Corporate Republican America.

As Doug Stanhope once said.....

" At least black people knew they were slaves. You people are cluless..."

Facism has been slowly creeping into our america for a long time, now. And Facism truely gained some significant ground under this Bush/Chenney administration,.

So now Repugs are feeding their leemings the next mission statement.......

" Vote For Obama, Is A Vote For Socialism"


"Obama is a Terrorist, We Swear!!"


" Jesus Hates Obama! Believe Me When I Tell You This!"

LMAO!

Yeah, god forbid Socialism should over-throw this greedy, philty with corruption, Corporate/Capitalist Extremist agenda; being perpetrated by the Corporate Elite of the world; which has resulted in a Facist America.

What a joke.

SoonForgotten2

acoustic guy wrote:

Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America.

Interesting interpretation of Europe you have there.

Jeremy1012

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Interesting interpretation of Europe you have there.

evenkat

dunkman wrote:

i'm not saying they will but it'll be hard to be empathetic to a country which rejected a stronger and more unified europe. Obviously common sense will prevail but Ireland has been backed up by many millions of other countries tax money for many years, and so to reject Lisbon might be seen as a bit of 'kick to the teeth' of other Euro countries.

Again, just hypothesising, not saying it will be the case.

It's not easy getting everyone to agree. The Irish have the right to disagree and vote the way they choose. What if Scotland/UK didn't agree with something and was put in the same situation? It should be understood that countries will object to many issues and not just go with the flow.






The Irish have big balls

gabers

acoustic guy wrote:

Hey I agree Clinton was a great president. I really like him. But its a different group of people in there now.

And to Dunk. Many do wan tto come to America. Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America. Like I said before, I know we ar enot so popular right now and won't be for a while but thats life. We may have lost a few battles but we will never loose the war.

America is still a beacon of hope... to eastern europe! Dude, we're all fucked now, with or without Obama. Stick to singing "More than Words" acoustic man!

evenkat

acoustic guy wrote:

Hey I agree Clinton was a great president. I really like him. But its a different group of people in there now.

And to Dunk. Many do wan tto come to America. Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America. Like I said before, I know we ar enot so popular right now and won't be for a while but thats life. We may have lost a few battles but we will never loose the war.

You could say something like according to US Immigration 80,000+ Europeans became naturalized in 2007, which is down from 2006 when 100,000+ Europeans were naturalized

SundaySilence

acoustic guy wrote:

Hey I agree Clinton was a great president. I really like him. But its a different group of people in there now.

And to Dunk. Many do wan tto come to America. Every year I have exchange students working for me from Russia, Bulgaria, Kosovo etc..and they all talk about how they love America. Like I said before, I know we ar enot so popular right now and won't be for a while but thats life. We may have lost a few battles but we will never loose the war.

Notice that the immigrants are from eastern europe. They are also migrating to western europe. They are from capitalist economies. But the mafia has taken all the wealth. This has nothing to do with socialism.

W.C. Carter

Is it just me, or is Portugal the only Socialist European nation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries
I have yet to see or streets being flooded with Portuguese.