what does rummy think happened on 9/11?

El_Kabong wrote:

well, it would give fuel to a lot of conspiracy theorists. think if it wasn't a missile that hit the pentagon, it really was some sort of aircraft or even a 747...this 'slip' would cast that theory in stone for many ppl, if it weren't true it would discredit their whole point of who was guilty

A plane hit the pentagon on 9/11 not a missle. I think it is sick that so many people won't let go of the conspiracy theories. Its all a bunch of people trying to sell books, or push their own agenda. And for others, its purely entertainment, truely disgusting.

ledvedderman wrote:

The thing is, no one can prove either way. No one can prove that a plane hit the building and no one can prove it was a missle. Their is evidence that states both, and their are eyewitnesses who saw both. No one on here is trying to sell books or push their agenda. I think we would really like to know what happened. If it is so cut and dry, release the tapes from the gas station across their street, where their cameras were aimed to pick up the whole thing.

I'm not saying one way or another, but the lack of cooperation and the fact that this administration is known worldwide for not being the most truthful just fuels the theories.

there or their... that is the question

firstly, we can prove what hit the buidling... i believe the sister of the guy who posted above you saw it going into the building!

secondly, i havent read one eyewitness account that says they saw a missile hit the building... please post some i might have missed, but i would seriously discredit anyone who believes they saw a 'missile'... they go pretty fucking fast.


I keep asking this question on these threads and not one person has even attempted to answer it.... so here we go again.... if indeed it was a missile that hit the pentagon, then what happened to the actual flight that was supposed to have hit it? not one eyewitness report has come forward to say they saw a plane being shot out of the sky!

are we to believe the US government fired a missile at the Pentagon to drum up support for a war in Afghanistan??? didnt the 2 planes hitting the WTC's 'drum up' enough.. why would they fire a missile into that building AFTER the planes had already hit the WTC's!!!

Do people think that the government just vanished the flight that 'supposedly' hit Pentagon... they made schoolchildren VANISH... they killed a 3 and a 5 year old kid... just to then fire a missile into the building that was a target anyway

its insulting to the families of the dead... they lost children, relatives, loved ones.. and yet all people want to do is believe that some secretive government body of old men sanctioned the shooting of a missile into a government building..... long after the 2 fuckin towers were hit anyway... it doesnt make sense!!!

CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"


plane debris lying on the ground

I agree with alot of what people have said here. I did not personally see the plane hit the pentagon, but my sister did. She was right there, and it was unmistakable.

I don't have a problem with people questioning the gov'ts actions in response to 9/11. Even questioning their actions leading up to that terrible day. What I don't understand is people insatiable need to find a conspiracy in it. The real story is horrid enough, don't you think?

In answer to many people's inquiries about making information public: I agree with you, it would leave little room for conspiracy theories if there was 1000's of videos of the plane hitting the pentagon, much like the world trade center.

You have to understand that the pentagon is the most secure building in the united states, aside from the white house itself. You are not allowed to photograph the building, have a news camera even pointing at the thing under normal circumstances. There simply weren't any tourist cameras videographing the event, but there are rarely opportunities to record anything on the grounds.

Also, part of the reason we haven't gotten more information as to the aftermath, the damage, etc is also because it is a secure building. This is the epicenter of our armed forces. Much like we don't see pictures of our bases on the news when they are hit by bombs in afghanistan and iraq, you won't see much in terms of detailed evidence in the wake of the 9/11 attack.

All of the attacks on 9/11 were tragic, but the attack on the pentagon was handled differently because of the nature of the building. I hope for some of you this helps clear up all of the misinformation and rumor you may find online about this particular event.

El_Kabong wrote:

who said you're not allowed to photograph the pentagon? how would they stop you? there's a gas station and a hotel which both had cameras pointing towards the pentagon that had their tapes confiscated right after the building was hit...they show us the towers being hit over and over and over...yet we're not allowed to see the pentagon?

this isn't directed at you necessarily, but i'm still waiting on a reply as to how a KNOWN hijacked plane made a u-turn, flew thru dc's no-fly zone, made another u-turn...all this over 1 1/2 hours after the first tower was hit and no military were ever scrambled...why did cheney wait until right before the pentagon was hit to give the order?

I'm wondering if you have ever had a chance to visit DC? Its a beautiful city, lots to see and do, you should come out this way if you ever have the opportunity.

Having not seen the area (which I am making the assumption that you haven't), I suppose I should try to explain the area a bit better.

The pentagon is an armed building, with lots of security partoling the premisis. You cannot simply walk into the building, or even close to it without proper identification. If you are a tourist or visitor standing within eyeshot of the pentagon with a video camera, security will approach you and ask you to stop. Local news coverage even needs special permission to do a live shot from the pentagon, because there is so much sensitive information and personel that pass through that building every day.

Yes, there were security camera's in both the gas station and the hotel, for their own security, I do not believe that they were pointed at the pentagon (although I do believe that some of the background may have included video of the plane). This is controlled, and for security to those establishments, that is why it exists.

The point I was trying to make was that unlike the World Trade Center, which is a privately owned, commercial building, the pentagon has been one of the most highly secure buildings in the country. That is why you won't see alot of private video's of the buildings. That is why the attack on the pentagon is treated differently from a "right to know" perspective.

As far as the plane getting shot down, making the order, etc. I really wish I understood that myself. Pre-9/11, the thought of shooting down a passanger airliner was unthinkable. we all got a tough lesson that day. I would imagine that even our gov't officals would have had to hesitate for a moment given the magnitude of the attacks that day. Hindsight being 20/20, I would imagine that our officals wish they had shot that plane down. But at that time, on that day, its hard to say. The entire area is highly congested as well, so shooting a plane down would likely have caused deaths beyond those on the plane. Its a big question, but I think we'd all know the answer if a plane would be hijacked today.

If it is one of the most armed buildings in our nation, wouldn't you think there would be cameras all around it, possibly showing every possible angle of the plane flying into the building?

ledvedderman wrote:

If it is one of the most armed buildings in our nation, wouldn't you think there would be cameras all around it, possibly showing every possible angle of the plane flying into the building?

I would assume that there are camera's outside and in the surrounding areas of the pentagon. The reason those would not be released is simple; its classified information.

There is all kinds of red tape surrounding any type of sensitive information in our gov't. Perhaps they haven't been relesased due to "ongoing criminal investigations", because the footgage could be used for propaganda, etc.

I'm not saying its right, but if you understand how classified information becomes declassified throughout history, it is not an instantaneous event, nor is it often one that is taken with haste due to public demand.

Again, thats whats different about the pentagon. The footage you saw of the world trade centers being hit was for the most part private party, or live news coverage of a public building in NY, not a secure one in DC.

Pickr wrote:

I could have sworn I read somewhere they weren't releasing those tapes because of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. I am trying to find where I read that..Anyone else remember reading that?

Yes. That was stated often, in combination with a more vague "ongoing criminal investigation". That could be tied to folks at guantanamo or elsewhere I would think.