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what does rummy think happened on 9/11?

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html



"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041223-secdef1921.html
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    uhhhhh....whoa. Thanks for sharing that, I hadn't seen that. Damn Freud and his damn slips
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  • jamestr1jamestr1 Posts: 185
    Wow, I'm surprised that actually made it out to the web that way. You'd think someone would have noticed that and 'fixed' it before it was posted.

    It's awfully interesting. Especially on the DoD website...
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    does this mean rummy is a lunatic conspiracy nut, too?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    El_Kabong wrote:
    does this mean rummy is a lunatic conspiracy nut, too?

    Donald Rumsfeld is Un-American and is with the terrorists obviously
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  • Larry ZisstansLarry Zisstans Posts: 167
    game plan:
    sit back, watch everything unfold on the idiot box, see how much of it the lemmings will actually believe, act quickly with contingency plans if anything goes wrong, push for iraqi invasion asap.

    that's what he might have been thinking.

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  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    El_Kabong wrote:
    does this mean rummy is a lunatic conspiracy nut, too?



    What happened here was that while he was naming all of the terrorist - related events, when thinking about the plane over Shanksville, he had a slip and recollected the incident and blurted out what I always thought happened anyway - That WE blasted that plane out of the sky - and they fabricated the story about the passengers overtaking it
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    What happened here was that while he was naming all of the terrorist - related events, when thinking about the plane over Shanksville, he had a slip and recollected the incident and blurted out what I always thought happened anyway - That WE blasted that plane out of the sky - and they fabricated the story about the passengers overtaking it

    don't say that too loud, jlew24asu will jump all over you for dare questioning anything that happens in the government.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    don't say that too loud, jlew24asu will jump all over you for dare questioning anything that happens in the government.


    how about you not using my name unless talking directly to me.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Fair enough...
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    So, either he is:
    a) An idiot
    b) A liar
    c) All of the above....

    I go with C!
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    keeponrockin wrote:
    So, either he is:
    a) An idiot
    b) A liar
    c) All of the above....

    I go with C!

    When in doubt, C is always correct
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  • acroyearacroyear Posts: 46
    Wow, people still obsessing over Rumsfeld..
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    ledvedderman wrote:
    When in doubt, C is always correct

    I just can't believe he said that. If true, I'm dumbfounded.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I just can't believe he said that. If true, I'm dumbfounded.

    Welcome to the club. But there it is on the DOD webpage, you would have thought this would have been pulled a long time ago.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Welcome to the club. But there it is on the DOD webpage, you would have thought this would have been pulled a long time ago.


    it's also possible it's deliberate misinfo...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    ledvedderman wrote:
    don't say that too loud, jlew24asu will jump all over you for dare questioning anything that happens in the government.

    This has nothing to do with questioning a government cover-up or promoting consipiracy theories

    If I were in charge that day I would have shot all 4 planes out of the sky to save many, many more lives -

    And If this did happen, I do not blame them for keeping the lid on it at all -
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    This has nothing to do with questioning a government cover-up or promoting consipiracy theories

    If I were in charge that day I would have shot all 4 planes out of the sky to save many, many more lives -

    And If this did happen, I do not blame them for keeping the lid on it at all -


    i like how ppl seem to focus on the plane over pa and not this comment:
    "and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i like how ppl seem to focus on the plane over pa and not this comment:
    "and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."

    what I wouldn't give to know what that inaudible is
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  • homeratbathomeratbat Posts: 219
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it's also possible it's deliberate misinfo...


    how so? why would a top ranking gov't offical give out this type of info to people? im not sure how it would help the gov't at all...personally i think a slip of the lip happened here
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    In the first quote, he might have been referring to the first attempt on the WTC in the 90s.

    At any rate Don should sleep well at night. All of that wheeling and dealing he did with known terrorists and terror supporters in the 80s really worked out nicely for him.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    homeratbat wrote:
    how so? why would a top ranking gov't offical give out this type of info to people? im not sure how it would help the gov't at all...personally i think a slip of the lip happened here


    well, it would give fuel to a lot of conspiracy theorists. think if it wasn't a missile that hit the pentagon, it really was some sort of aircraft or even a 747...this 'slip' would cast that theory in stone for many ppl, if it weren't true it would discredit their whole point of who was guilty
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • OneLoveOneLove Posts: 563
    El_Kabong wrote:
    well, it would give fuel to a lot of conspiracy theorists. think if it wasn't a missile that hit the pentagon, it really was some sort of aircraft or even a 747...this 'slip' would cast that theory in stone for many ppl, if it weren't true it would discredit their whole point of who was guilty

    A plane hit the pentagon on 9/11 not a missle. I think it is sick that so many people won't let go of the conspiracy theories. Its all a bunch of people trying to sell books, or push their own agenda. And for others, its purely entertainment, truely disgusting.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    OneLove wrote:
    A plane hit the pentagon on 9/11 not a missle. I think it is sick that so many people won't let go of the conspiracy theories. Its all a bunch of people trying to sell books, or push their own agenda. And for others, its purely entertainment, truely disgusting.

    The thing is, no one can prove either way. No one can prove that a plane hit the building and no one can prove it was a missle. Their is evidence that states both, and their are eyewitnesses who saw both. No one on here is trying to sell books or push their agenda. I think we would really like to know what happened. If it is so cut and dry, release the tapes from the gas station across their street, where their cameras were aimed to pick up the whole thing.

    I'm not saying one way or another, but the lack of cooperation and the fact that this administration is known worldwide for not being the most truthful just fuels the theories.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    ledvedderman wrote:
    The thing is, no one can prove either way. No one can prove that a plane hit the building and no one can prove it was a missle. Their is evidence that states both, and their are eyewitnesses who saw both. No one on here is trying to sell books or push their agenda. I think we would really like to know what happened. If it is so cut and dry, release the tapes from the gas station across their street, where their cameras were aimed to pick up the whole thing.

    I'm not saying one way or another, but the lack of cooperation and the fact that this administration is known worldwide for not being the most truthful just fuels the theories.

    there or their... that is the question ;)

    firstly, we can prove what hit the buidling... i believe the sister of the guy who posted above you saw it going into the building!

    secondly, i havent read one eyewitness account that says they saw a missile hit the building... please post some i might have missed, but i would seriously discredit anyone who believes they saw a 'missile'... they go pretty fucking fast.


    I keep asking this question on these threads and not one person has even attempted to answer it.... so here we go again.... if indeed it was a missile that hit the pentagon, then what happened to the actual flight that was supposed to have hit it? not one eyewitness report has come forward to say they saw a plane being shot out of the sky!

    are we to believe the US government fired a missile at the Pentagon to drum up support for a war in Afghanistan??? didnt the 2 planes hitting the WTC's 'drum up' enough.. why would they fire a missile into that building AFTER the planes had already hit the WTC's!!!

    Do people think that the government just vanished the flight that 'supposedly' hit Pentagon... they made schoolchildren VANISH... they killed a 3 and a 5 year old kid... just to then fire a missile into the building that was a target anyway :confused:

    its insulting to the families of the dead... they lost children, relatives, loved ones.. and yet all people want to do is believe that some secretive government body of old men sanctioned the shooting of a missile into a government building..... long after the 2 fuckin towers were hit anyway... it doesnt make sense!!!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    seperate picture of a 2nd hole made by the planes landing gear
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

    FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"


    plane debris lying on the ground
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I have got to tell you, after reading the last couple posts and articles, my opinion is shifting in regard to what hit the pentagon.

    There, their, they're it's way too early in the morning to be spelling correctly
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I have got to tell you, after reading the last couple posts and articles, my opinion is shifting in regard to what hit the pentagon.

    There, their, they're it's way too early in the morning to be spelling correctly


    someone posted in another thread that they witnessed a plane hit the penetgon. what do you think hit it?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    OneLove wrote:
    A plane hit the pentagon on 9/11 not a missle. I think it is sick that so many people won't let go of the conspiracy theories. Its all a bunch of people trying to sell books, or push their own agenda. And for others, its purely entertainment, truely disgusting.


    I agree with you 100%
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    The thing is, no one can prove either way. No one can prove that a plane hit the building and no one can prove it was a missle. Their is evidence that states both, and their are eyewitnesses who saw both. No one on here is trying to sell books or push their agenda. I think we would really like to know what happened. If it is so cut and dry, release the tapes from the gas station across their street, where their cameras were aimed to pick up the whole thing.

    I'm not saying one way or another, but the lack of cooperation and the fact that this administration is known worldwide for not being the most truthful just fuels the theories.


    I have not heard one person publicly say they saw a missle hit the building. from certain angles and from far away, someone might mistake a smoke trail as a missle. I suppose
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