Conservative American parents - All insane?

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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    prytoj wrote:
    Since you asked...

    Mark Steyn did not endorse the war. Therefore your premise and conclusions are wrong.
    Really? I have found so many quotations from this SELF-DESCRIBED "warmonger" that I can't really post them all here without becoming a gratuitous google-machine such as you hold in great contempt. If you don't believe me I suppose I'll have to take the time to cherry pick a few of the more obtuse ones and post them.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    I am offended by this thread. To imply that all conservative American parents are insane is extremely rude.
    It compares to me saying that just because you have a family full of druggy losers, all people with Jeremy in their user name comes from a family of druggy losers....
    Not very nice or accurate is it?
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    from Wikipedia:

    Steyn was an early proponent of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. In 2007 he reiterated his support while attacking Democrat John Murtha, stating that his plan for military action in Iraq was designed “to deny the president the possibility of victory while making sure Democrats don't have to share the blame for the defeat. … [Murtha] doesn't support them in the mission, but he'd like them to continue failing at it for a couple more years”.[34]

    Fair and Balanced, I stand corrected on that point.
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Really? I have found so many quotations from this SELF-DESCRIBED "warmonger" that I can't really post them all here without becoming a gratuitous google-machine such as you hold in great contempt. If you don't believe me I suppose I'll have to take the time to cherry pick a few of the more obtuse ones and post them.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I am offended by this thread. To imply that all conservative American parents are insane is extremely rude.
    It compares to me saying that just because you have a family full of druggy losers, all people with Jeremy in their user name comes from a family of druggy losers....
    Not very nice or accurate is it?
    I didn't imply it, I asked a question. I'm not from America. It would be easy to assume from the media that right-wing, republican parents are hysteria-stricken and with a loose grip on reality. I am extremely open to refutations on that matter. I meant no offence and if any was taken, I'm sorry that you misunderstood me.

    EDIT. I understand your analogy now. It is still rather poor but fair enough, I already apologised if any offence was caused.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I didn't imply it, I asked a question. I'm not from America. It would be easy to assume from the media that right-wing, republican parents are hysteria-stricken and with a loose grip on reality. I am extremely open to refutations on that matter. I meant no offense and if any was taken, I'm sorry that you misunderstood me.

    However, really your analogy is dire. Since when was there any link between the word Jeremy and drugs? There is, I would suggest, a link between thinking that dolls are trying to corrupt the youth of America and being mentally unhinged. There is no etymological link between the word Jeremy and drugs, not that I know of.

    I'm confused :o

    I'm glad you understand and I accept your apology.
    And you are right about the media.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    prytoj wrote:
    1. is a well-established fact covered quite extensively through television 'exposees' and independent media.

    1. Show me a link, an article, proof...

    2. I asked you what you problems you have with sharia law. "Over half of all "moderate muslims" believe in some form of Sharia law." I think the key words here are "some form". So as long as you don't know "what form" it is they support, I don't see how you can consider this a bad thing, unless of course you immediately assume the worst. If you do know what forms these moderate muslims support, what are your problems with it?

    Also, please cite sources for your numbers.

    3. I think it can. I live in a multicultural place, I interact with many many muslims from all over the world daily. So far everyone I've had this discussion with is against terrorism in the name of islam. Their views don't necessarily line with America's view, though. And I think this might be the problem for many Americans. Plus, there is actually quite a huge outcry against terrorism in islam's name, but you claim it's hard to find :rolleyes: There have been rallies and protests too, in Europe and in the US.

    4. I don't know anything about it, I don't live in the US. I can't comment on it.
    Study the details, challenge things. then at some point you have to step back, look at the whole picture, and give things the smell test. When we learn to do that we'll be able to get some common ground.

    What better test is there than communicating and interacting with muslims daily?
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  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    good points all, the debate on sharia law is probably for another thread.

    I could sit here all day long and link every point of fact to some link or other, but I think i'll better serve the readers by asking them to challenge the things I've been talking about. Agree or not.

    Collin is correct. In the end the solution is INCLUSION, so I would never discriminate. All individuals should engage eachother in a positive manner, and I fear that belaboring the points even further would give the impression that I don't like any one particular individual because of their heritage.

    While I go to Calvary (sometimes), half my family is Mormon and the othe half Jehovy's. I know all about bullshit doctrine on one side, and religious persecution on the other.

    Islam is not Islamo-fascism, I will always be mindful of the distinction.
    With that I will digress from this thread


    Collin wrote:
    1. Show me a link, an article, proof...

    2. I asked you what you problems you have with sharia law. "Over half of all "moderate muslims" believe in some form of Sharia law." I think the key words here are "some form". So as long as you don't know "what form" it is they support, I don't see how you can consider this a bad thing, unless of course you immediately assume the worst. If you do know what forms these moderate muslims support, what are your problems with it?

    Also, please cite sources for your numbers.

    3. I think it can. I live in a multicultural place, I interact with many many muslims from all over the world daily. So far everyone I've had this discussion with is against terrorism in the name of islam. Their views don't necessarily line with America's view, though. And I think this might be the problem for many Americans. Plus, there is actually quite a huge outcry against terrorism in islam's name, but you claim it's hard to find :rolleyes: There have been rallies and protests too, in Europe and in the US.

    4. I don't know anything about it, I don't live in the US. I can't comment on it.



    What better test is there than communicating and interacting with muslims daily?

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