the science of creation

catefrances
catefrances Posts: 29,003
edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
whilst we're on such a religious kick, here's a question to ponder.


does science contradict the Genesis account of creation?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Absolutely.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    ...there was darkness.

    And then came light.

    And then came waters and lands and plants and animals.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    ...there was darkness.

    And then came light.

    And then came waters and lands and plants and animals.

    I'm more inclined to believe there was no begining. But I will not make assumptions about the origins of reality.
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  • Galaxie2X4
    Galaxie2X4 Posts: 151
    catefrances wrote:
    whilst we're on such a religious kick, here's a question to ponder.


    does science contradict the Genesis account of creation?

    Yes.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Darkness, then light.

    But what the fuck do I know? I'm only human.

    *shrugs*
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    Darkness, then light.

    But what the fuck do I know? I'm only human.

    *shrugs*

    I know but Big Bang was never concluded to be the 'begining' even if it is true. That's something Creationists have done.
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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    is your beginning (or non-beginning, as it were)?

    And where in the hell is the link to gabbly???????
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    no comment.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    is your beginning (or non-beginning, as it were)?

    And where in the hell is the link to gabbly???????

    I don't have an answer for that. I actually consider it to be irrelevant.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    so when day is mentioned in the bible it is automatically assumed to be of the 24 hour variety?
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    Whats a Day to a Timeless god? So No not at all.
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    sicnevol wrote:
    Whats a Day to a Timeless god? So No not at all.

    so if we do not assume a day in creation is 24 earth hours long. that means that God did not create the world in the 6 earth days as we see it. if this is so then it could be said that here we have science not acting in contradiction to the creation theory. because as we all know science disbelieves the 6 day theory. we simply do not know how long a day is.
    and if this is so, then how are we to view 'in the beginning'? and do we also assume that the 6 days of creation are consequential to 'the beginning'? and when exactly is this 'beginning'?
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    catefrances wrote:
    so if we do not assume a day in creation is 24 earth hours long. that means that God did not create the world in the 6 earth days as we see it. if this is so then it could be said that here we have science not acting in contradiction to the creation theory. because as we all know science disbelieves the 6 day theory. we simply do not know how long a day is.
    and if this is so, then how are we to view 'in the beginning'? and do we also assume that the 6 days of creation are consequential to 'the beginning'? and when exactly is this 'beginning'?
    Are you asking me?

    Well, if god is timeless and always was, there is no beginning. For something that is eternal there is no time. six "days" to a god, could be 600 Billion years to us. There is a theory called the clock maker theory....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockmaker_hypothesis

    thats my thought on relgion. If there is a god, he doesn;t really care to much.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    sicnevol wrote:
    Are you asking me?

    Well, if god is timeless and always was, there is no beginning. For something that is eternal there is no time. six "days" to a god, could be 600 Billion years to us. There is a theory called the clock maker theory....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockmaker_hypothesis

    thats my thought on relgion. If there is a god, he doesn;t really care to much.

    nope. not specifically. anyone with a brain and a thought will suffice. :)

    yep i'm familiar with the clockmaker theory. though quite honestly, if you made something as wonderous as the earth and all the rest, why oh why would you step aside and leave the children in charge? everyone knows what kids are like home alone without supervision. :D
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  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    If you change the day length then maybe genisis does not contradict the age of the universe. However there are plenty of other parts of creation that contradict science, such as the order things arrived...

    Flying organisms appearing at the same time as marine organisms? The fossil record contradicts this.

    The formation of the sun and moon after the formation of the earth also contradicts the current model of how the solar system (and galaxies) formed.

    And there are plenty of others... So yes, the biblical account of creation is contradicted by scientific observation.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    What a contradiction to have a faith in science, yet use that faith to denounce faith in a God. You people are humorous....but I feel sorry for you...
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    What a contradiction to have a faith in science, yet use that faith to denounce faith in a God. You people are humorous....but I feel sorry for you...

    There's a difference in having faith in science and having faith in god, imo.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Collin wrote:
    There's a difference in having faith in science and having faith in god, imo.

    It's not much, if any, in my opinion. If you do not understand a scientific principle completely, then you have to have faith to believe it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • pjfanatic4
    pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    catefrances wrote:

    does science contradict the Genesis account of creation?

    Not in my opinion. I was taught not to take Genesis literally. As is the whole Bible. That is one of the differences between Fundamentalism and Catholicism.
  • pjfanatic4
    pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    catefrances wrote:
    so when day is mentioned in the bible it is automatically assumed to be of the 24 hour variety?

    That's what a Fundamentalist would say.

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