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  • sicnevol wrote:
    Also, I can go to College and get a degree in Physics, or Chemestry, or bioloogy. I can't go to College and get a degree in god.
    what about theology? the study of god.
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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    what about theology? the study of god.
    Theology is the study of Religion. Not god.
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  • DontGotIDDontGotID Posts: 137
    As far as i know...

    There was nothing

    Then Eddie Vedder created life
  • sicnevol wrote:
    Theology is the study of Religion. Not god.
    Taken from http://www.Dictionary.com
    the·ol·o·gy
    1. the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
    2. a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

    the·ol·o·gy
    1.The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into
    religious questions.
    2.A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions:
    Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
    3.A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

    It can mean both actually. I know this in particular because my father is a theologian. Although, he doesn't claim to be one.
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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    Taken from http://www.Dictionary.com
    the·ol·o·gy
    1. the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
    2. a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

    the·ol·o·gy
    1.The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into
    religious questions.
    2.A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions:
    Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
    3.A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

    It can mean both actually. I know this in particular because my father is a theologian. Although, he doesn't claim to be one.

    Theology finds its scholars pursuing the understanding of and providing reasoned discourse of religion, spirituality and God or the gods. The origin of the word theological comes from late middle english (in the sense [relating to the "Word" of God or the Bible]): from medieval Latin theologicalis, from late Latin theologicus, from Greek theologikos, from theologia. The origin of the word theology comes from late middle English (originally applying only to Christianity) from French théologie, from Latin theologia, from Greek: θεολογία, theologia, from θεός, theos or God + λόγος or logos, "words", "cause", "sayings," or "discourse" + suffix ια, ia, "state of", "property of", "place of".<b> It is widely understood to mean literally -"the study of the "Word".</b>

    <b>Theologians use rational analysis and argument to understand, explain, test, critique, defend or promote any of a myriad of religious topics. </b>Theology might be undertaken to help the theologian understand more truly his or her own religious tradition,[1] understand more truly another religious tradition,[2] make comparisons between religious traditions,[3] defend a religious tradition, facilitate reform of a particular tradition,[4] assist in the propagation of a religious tradition,[5] or draw on the resources of a tradition to address some present situation or need,[6] or for a variety of other reasons.

    The word 'theology' has classical Greek origins, but was slowly given new senses when it was taken up in both Greek and Latin forms by Christian authors. It is the subsequent history of the term in Christian contexts, particularly in the Latin West, that lies behind most contemporary usage, but the term can now be used to speak of reasoned discourse within and about a variety of different religious traditions.[7] Various aspects both of the process by which the discipline of ‘theology’ emerged in Christianity and the process by which the term was extended to other religions are highly controve




    PS you forgot this part from dictionary.com
    noun
    1. the rational and systematic study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truth
    2. a particular system or school of religious beliefs and teachings; "Jewish theology"; "Roman Catholic theology"
    3. the learned profession acquired by specialized courses in religion (usually taught at a college or seminary); "he studied theology at Oxford"

    theology


    The disciplined study of religious questions, such as the nature of God, sin, and salvation.


    theology

    n. 1. Ironically or humorously used to refer to religious issues. 2. Technical fine points of an abstruse nature, esp. those where the resolution is of theoretical interest but is relatively marginal with respect to actual use of a design or system. Used esp. around software issues with a heavy AI or language-design component, such as the smart-data vs. smart-programs dispute in AI.




    was that 3/1 in my favor?
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  • sicnevol wrote:



    PS you forgot this part from dictionary.com
    noun
    1. the rational and systematic study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truth
    2. a particular system or school of religious beliefs and teachings; "Jewish theology"; "Roman Catholic theology"
    3. the learned profession acquired by specialized courses in religion (usually taught at a college or seminary); "he studied theology at Oxford"
    well, aren't you an enthusiastic little creature? no, i didn't forget. i intentionally left it out. I was only trying to make a point in theology meaning the study of God. Like I said, it could mean both and many things. It has taken a variety of meanings as of late.
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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    well, aren't you an enthusiastic little creature? no, i didn't forget. i intentionally left it out. I was only trying to make a point in theology meaning the study of God. Like I said, it could mean both and many things. It has taken a variety of meanings as of late.
    Indeed, but to go to College and study theology, is to study religion. If you were to just study god the class would be as follows.
    and time.

    see you next week for the Final.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sicnevol wrote:
    Indeed, but to go to College and study theology, is to study religion. If you were to just study god the class would be as follows.
    and time.

    see you next week for the Final.

    AWESOME!! i would so pass that class. with distinction i imagine. :D
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  • sicnevolsicnevol Posts: 180
    AWESOME!! i would so pass that class. with distinction i imagine. :D
    that would be a great mutlipule choice test.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sicnevol wrote:
    that would be a great mutlipule choice test.

    how could you ever be marked incorrect. :D
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  • scot88scot88 Posts: 217
    as my grandfather said, "people a lot smarter than you and i have believed in god"
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    scot88 wrote:
    as my grandfather said, "people a lot smarter than you and i have believed in god"

    and good luck to them. :)


    but you know, i don't think intelligence is a factor when it comes to faith.
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  • scot88scot88 Posts: 217
    and good luck to them. :)


    but you know, i don't think intelligence is a factor when it comes to faith.

    i think he meant that people have pondered the topic of religion for far longer and more in depth than you or i ever possibly could, but reached the ultimate conclusion that there is a god.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    scot88 wrote:
    i think he meant that people have pondered the topic of religion for far longer and more in depth than you or i ever possibly could, but reached the ultimate conclusion that there is a god.

    and as i said, good luck to them. :)
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  • sicnevol wrote:
    Indeed, but to go to College and study theology, is to study religion. If you were to just study god the class would be as follows.
    and time.

    see you next week for the Final.
    yeah, that's probably true. but my brother who is now getting his master's in teaching (in fact, he's graduating in may) took a class about this certain topic. he said that it was actually very thought provoking and he really learned a lot more than going to a regular bible college.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    scot88 wrote:
    as my grandfather said, "people a lot smarter than you and i have believed in god"

    Even smarter people don't.

    According to a study by Paul Bell, published in the UK Mensa Magazine in 2002, there is an inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence. Analyzing 43 studies carried out since 1927, Bell found that all but four reported such a connection, and he concluded that "the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'beliefs' of any kind."[78] A letter published in Nature in 1998 reported a survey suggesting that belief in a personal God or afterlife was at an all time low among the members of the National Academy of Science, only 7.0% of which believed in a personal God as compared to more than 85% of the US general population.[79]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Demographics
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Even smarter people don't.

    According to a study by Paul Bell, published in the UK Mensa Magazine in 2002, there is an inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence. Analyzing 43 studies carried out since 1927, Bell found that all but four reported such a connection, and he concluded that "the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'beliefs' of any kind."[78] A letter published in Nature in 1998 reported a survey suggesting that belief in a personal God or afterlife was at an all time low among the members of the National Academy of Science, only 7.0% of which believed in a personal God as compared to more than 85% of the US general population.[79]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Demographics
    oh god this is such a typical discriminizing analysis. haha you are full of it ahnimus.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    oh god this is such a typical discriminizing analysis. haha you are full of it ahnimus.

    Ok, if that analysis is bullshit, then the Bible is bullshit.

    As long as we are able to just call stuff bullshit all we please and dismiss it without critical analysis.

    Oh and Mary was raped by her neighbour Ben Pandera.

    And Easter is a pagan tradition, so is NSI/Winter Solstice/Christmas

    Your version of the story is only dominant because people of your faith killed everyone else. Vile criminals!

    History goes to the victors. But the truth is incontrovertible.
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, if that analysis is bullshit, then the Bible is bullshit.

    As long as we are able to just call stuff bullshit all we please and dismiss it without critical analysis.

    Oh and Mary was raped by her neighbour Ben Pandera.

    And Easter is a pagan tradition, so is NSI/Winter Solstice/Christmas

    Your version of the story is only dominant because people of your faith killed everyone else. Vile criminals!

    History goes to the victors. But the truth is incontrovertible.
    hey, easy cupcake. i was only teasing you. just cause someone believes in something whether it be god or whatnot, doesn't make them stupid. are you honestly going to believe in that analysis? hahaha i am literally laughing here.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    As long as we are able to just call stuff bullshit all we please and dismiss it without critical analysis.
    Well it looks like bs. The article doesn't say if there are any bias, and just by reading that part I can think of at least a dozen. So that article is actually bullshit, unless he really comes up with interesting arguments against the bias (which I didn't see).
    You can't call things "truth" just because someone wrote it in wiki. If you want to fight God and religion with science go ahead and use solid facts and logic, or else you are also using your faith. Scientific facts aren't truths because someone said so.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    Well it looks like bs. The article doesn't say if there are any bias, and just by reading that part I can think of at least a dozen. So that article is actually bullshit, unless he really comes up with interesting arguments against the bias (which I didn't see).
    You can't call things "truth" just because someone wrote it in wiki. If you want to fight God and religion with science go ahead and use solid facts and logic, or else you are also using your faith. Scientific facts aren't truths because someone said so.

    The Bible looks like bullshit too. Ancient texts aren't truth because most people believe it.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The Bible looks like bullshit too. Ancient texts aren't truth because most people believe it.

    Obviously. But no one considers the bible as litteral proof (the genesis for example) except a fringe of fanatics. What I was stating is if you want to hold scientific facts and/or arguments against the bible/monotheist faith make sure that, at least, it is scientific.
    You wanted a critical analysis, there it is. No survey is acceptable unless bias are controlled, they aren't mentionned, so the survey is unacceptable. Thus there is no proof of "an inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence".
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130

    . though quite honestly, if you made something as wonderous as the earth and all the rest, why oh why would you step aside and leave the children in charge? everyone knows what kids are like home alone without supervision. :D

    Why do i give my chidren toys on therir birthday, when i know quite assuredly, they will soon break them? In fact, why did i, or anyone else for that matter, have children at all, knowing they would at times be naughty and disobey me?
    None of these philosophical arguments against a theistic worldview hold water.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    cornnifer wrote:
    Why do i give my chidren toys on therir birthday, when i know quite assuredly, they will soon break them? In fact, why did i, or anyone else for that matter, have children at all, knowing they would at times be naughty and disobey me?
    None of these philosophical arguments against a theistic worldview hold water.

    ooh cornnifer i was joking. note the big smilie. :D
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  • pjfanatic4pjfanatic4 Posts: 127
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Are you willing to interpret it in such a way that it's all metaphorical, including Jesus Christ. The Sun of God, who walks on water, i.e. light reflecting on water, who's Light shall be seen by all, who was born on Dec 25, to the backdrop of the Constellation Virgo?

    If it's not literal, then it's most likely best interpreted this way. Are you willing to do that?

    No A,

    It's not most likely interpreted your way. It's not black and white, there are not only two choices.

    As others have stated, the collection of books that conform the Bible is very complex. It can be interpreted in many ways, thus the many denominations that fall under the Christian faith. Under the Catholic faith, the Bible is complemented by Tradition, those teachings that were handed down generation by generation from the start of the Church. For Catholics, the Bible is extremely important, but it isn't Sola Scriptura. I'm sure you know this already. There are other beliefs not written specifically in the Bible, but supported through the Bible.

    Catholic priests go through 4 years of philosophy and 4 years of theology before they are ordained. It isn't easy to understand everything that is involved in the Catholic Faith, in fact, in can be overwhelming. That's why us catholics rely on our priests and up to the Pope for interpretations.

    It goes back to the same issue, Faith. You won't be able to ever prove scientifically that God exists. And you'll never run out of man-thought explanations to debunk any faith.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    ooh cornnifer i was joking. note the big smilie. :D

    i saw it. :) many people do adhere to such arguments though so couldn't help chiming in. No offense to you :)
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Kann wrote:
    You can't call things "truth" just because someone wrote it in wiki.

    yeah, whatever ;)
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  • Gremmie95Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    whilst we're on such a religious kick, here's a question to ponder.


    does science contradict the Genesis account of creation?


    Hence, in the late 1800's, namely in Wales, the conversation of the "Gap theory" came into play. Basically they were not disputing Genesis, just suggesting the time frame was over the course of millions of years, Needless to say, this did not go over well with most fundamental Christians.
  • I've read a theory somewhere about the Big Bang being triggered by the same chemical that creates love. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I've read a theory somewhere about the Big Bang being triggered by the same chemical that creates love. :)

    Which one? Oxytocin, Vadopressin, Norepinephrine, etc..?
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