the science of creation

Collin

know1 wrote:

It's not much, if any, in my opinion. If you do not understand a scientific principle completely, then you have to have faith to believe it.

You can study to understand the scientific principle completely.

ClimberInOz

know1 wrote:

What a contradiction to have a faith in science, yet use that faith to denounce faith in a God. You people are humorous....but I feel sorry for you...

Thanks for your sympathy- I'll put it in the draw where I keep my grandma's dissapointment that I still haven't found god.

Let me give you an example of the difference between faith in god and 'faith' in science. Imagine you are trying to explain why things fall to earth. You hear of this great idea that some form of force attracts objects toward the earth and that the strength of this pull is relative to the mass of the object involved. You decide to test that idea and conduct an experiment. The results hold true to the idea, giving you objetive evidence that the idea is correct.

Then you hear of this even better idea, that takes the original idea and twists it a little to make it stronger. You hear of a prediction it makes about particular stars being visible in more then one location because of the effect of gravity on light. You get out your telescope and there it is - an Einstein cross. More evidence that the idea is a good one. And this process continues and continues and the idea gets stronger and stronger.

Finally you hear of a supposed best idea ever that explains everything. You try to test it... but you can't. All you can do is take the word of others- but they haven't been able to test it either. There is a book, but the book makes no testable predictions, and is so vague that it could be interpreted in many different ways. The only way that you can possibly bellieve in this idea is to have absolute blind faith that it is correct.

The scientific method alows for experimentation and observations that can be replicated with testable predictions. Any person in the world can make the same observations as the scientists involved. The only faith involved in science is the faith that the scientists have stuck to the scientific method- and even that is reinforced by a scientific community that is skeptical and looking for errors. If you don't stick to the scientific method your idea won't last long.

Faith in god is blind.

catefrances

know1 wrote:

It's not much, if any, in my opinion. If you do not understand a scientific principle completely, then you have to have faith to believe it.

not me. if i dont understand a scientific principle i dismiss it. though i am an atheist i do not take as gospel(pardon the pun)what scientists tell me. if it makes no sense to me and i continue in failing to grasp the concept then i don't automatically see it as a truth. when it comes to religion, it's the same thing. nothing a believer has ever said to me makes any difference. the more they talk to me the more i realise this God thing just isnt gonna happen for me. they actually make me less inclined to believe. i can not put my faith in something that makes zero sense to me.

Ahnimus

pjfanatic4 wrote:

Not in my opinion. I was taught not to take Genesis literally. As is the whole Bible. That is one of the differences between Fundamentalism and Catholicism.

Are you willing to interpret it in such a way that it's all metaphorical, including Jesus Christ. The Sun of God, who walks on water, i.e. light reflecting on water, who's Light shall be seen by all, who was born on Dec 25, to the backdrop of the Constellation Virgo?

If it's not literal, then it's most likely best interpreted this way. Are you willing to do that?

Ahnimus

This video covers a metaphorical interpretation of Jesus Christ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs

deadnothingbetter

ClimberInOz wrote:

Thanks for your sympathy- I'll put it in the draw where I keep my grandma's dissapointment that I still haven't found god.

Let me give you an example of the difference between faith in god and 'faith' in science. Imagine you are trying to explain why things fall to earth. You hear of this great idea that some form of force attracts objects toward the earth and that the strength of this pull is relative to the mass of the object involved. You decide to test that idea and conduct an experiment. The results hold true to the idea, giving you objetive evidence that the idea is correct.

Then you hear of this even better idea, that takes the original idea and twists it a little to make it stronger. You hear of a prediction it makes about particular stars being visible in more then one location because of the effect of gravity on light. You get out your telescope and there it is - an Einstein cross. More evidence that the idea is a good one. And this process continues and continues and the idea gets stronger and stronger.

Finally you hear of a supposed best idea ever that explains everything. You try to test it... but you can't. All you can do is take the word of others- but they haven't been able to test it either. There is a book, but the book makes no testable predictions, and is so vague that it could be interpreted in many different ways. The only way that you can possibly bellieve in this idea is to have absolute blind faith that it is correct.

The scientific method alows for experimentation and observations that can be replicated with testable predictions. Any person in the world can make the same observations as the scientists involved. The only faith involved in science is the faith that the scientists have stuck to the scientific method- and even that is reinforced by a scientific community that is skeptical and looking for errors. If you don't stick to the scientific method your idea won't last long.

Faith in god is blind.

what the hell does blind faith even mean?

Ahnimus

deadnothingbetter wrote:

what the hell does blind faith even mean?

It's a redundancy, faith is blind.

ClimberInOz

deadnothingbetter wrote:

what the hell does blind faith even mean?

OK, so maybe it was a poor turn of phrase.

Belief in god incorporates no observable evidence and/or testable predictions, so is based entirely on faith. How's that?

sicnevol

ClimberInOz wrote:

OK, so maybe it was a poor turn of phrase.

Belief in god incorporates no observable evidence and/or testable predictions, so is based entirely on faith. How's that?

Also, I can go to College and get a degree in Physics, or Chemestry, or bioloogy. I can't go to College and get a degree in god.

deadnothingbetter

ClimberInOz wrote:

Belief in god incorporates no observable evidence and/or testable predictions, so is based entirely on faith. How's that?

yes, that's sounds better. thank you.

deadnothingbetter

sicnevol wrote:

Also, I can go to College and get a degree in Physics, or Chemestry, or bioloogy. I can't go to College and get a degree in god.

what about theology? the study of god.

sicnevol

deadnothingbetter wrote:

what about theology? the study of god.

Theology is the study of Religion. Not god.

DontGotID

As far as i know...

There was nothing

Then Eddie Vedder created life

deadnothingbetter

sicnevol wrote:

Theology is the study of Religion. Not god.

Taken from http://www.Dictionary.com
the·ol·o·gy
1. the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
2. a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

the·ol·o·gy
1.The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into
religious questions.
2.A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions:
Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
3.A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

It can mean both actually. I know this in particular because my father is a theologian. Although, he doesn't claim to be one.

sicnevol

deadnothingbetter wrote:

Taken from http://www.Dictionary.com
the·ol·o·gy
1. the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
2. a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

the·ol·o·gy
1.The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into
religious questions.
2.A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions:
Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
3.A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

It can mean both actually. I know this in particular because my father is a theologian. Although, he doesn't claim to be one.

Theology finds its scholars pursuing the understanding of and providing reasoned discourse of religion, spirituality and God or the gods. The origin of the word theological comes from late middle english (in the sense [relating to the "Word" of God or the Bible]): from medieval Latin theologicalis, from late Latin theologicus, from Greek theologikos, from theologia. The origin of the word theology comes from late middle English (originally applying only to Christianity) from French théologie, from Latin theologia, from Greek: θεολογία, theologia, from θεός, theos or God + λόγος or logos, "words", "cause", "sayings," or "discourse" + suffix ια, ia, "state of", "property of", "place of".<b> It is widely understood to mean literally -"the study of the "Word".</b>

<b>Theologians use rational analysis and argument to understand, explain, test, critique, defend or promote any of a myriad of religious topics. </b>Theology might be undertaken to help the theologian understand more truly his or her own religious tradition,[1] understand more truly another religious tradition,[2] make comparisons between religious traditions,[3] defend a religious tradition, facilitate reform of a particular tradition,[4] assist in the propagation of a religious tradition,[5] or draw on the resources of a tradition to address some present situation or need,[6] or for a variety of other reasons.

The word 'theology' has classical Greek origins, but was slowly given new senses when it was taken up in both Greek and Latin forms by Christian authors. It is the subsequent history of the term in Christian contexts, particularly in the Latin West, that lies behind most contemporary usage, but the term can now be used to speak of reasoned discourse within and about a variety of different religious traditions.[7] Various aspects both of the process by which the discipline of ‘theology’ emerged in Christianity and the process by which the term was extended to other religions are highly controve




PS you forgot this part from dictionary.com
noun
1. the rational and systematic study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truth
2. a particular system or school of religious beliefs and teachings; "Jewish theology"; "Roman Catholic theology"
3. the learned profession acquired by specialized courses in religion (usually taught at a college or seminary); "he studied theology at Oxford"

theology


The disciplined study of religious questions, such as the nature of God, sin, and salvation.


theology

n. 1. Ironically or humorously used to refer to religious issues. 2. Technical fine points of an abstruse nature, esp. those where the resolution is of theoretical interest but is relatively marginal with respect to actual use of a design or system. Used esp. around software issues with a heavy AI or language-design component, such as the smart-data vs. smart-programs dispute in AI.




was that 3/1 in my favor?

deadnothingbetter

sicnevol wrote:

PS you forgot this part from dictionary.com
noun
1. the rational and systematic study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truth
2. a particular system or school of religious beliefs and teachings; "Jewish theology"; "Roman Catholic theology"
3. the learned profession acquired by specialized courses in religion (usually taught at a college or seminary); "he studied theology at Oxford"

well, aren't you an enthusiastic little creature? no, i didn't forget. i intentionally left it out. I was only trying to make a point in theology meaning the study of God. Like I said, it could mean both and many things. It has taken a variety of meanings as of late.

sicnevol

deadnothingbetter wrote:

well, aren't you an enthusiastic little creature? no, i didn't forget. i intentionally left it out. I was only trying to make a point in theology meaning the study of God. Like I said, it could mean both and many things. It has taken a variety of meanings as of late.

Indeed, but to go to College and study theology, is to study religion. If you were to just study god the class would be as follows.
and time.

see you next week for the Final.

catefrances

sicnevol wrote:

Indeed, but to go to College and study theology, is to study religion. If you were to just study god the class would be as follows.
and time.

see you next week for the Final.

AWESOME!! i would so pass that class. with distinction i imagine.

sicnevol

catefrances wrote:

AWESOME!! i would so pass that class. with distinction i imagine.

that would be a great mutlipule choice test.

catefrances

sicnevol wrote:

that would be a great mutlipule choice test.

how could you ever be marked incorrect.