Do you want the USA to win the fight in Iraq? Yes or No.

NO! I don't ever want anybody to win anything..

No single nation can win a war against a concept. Terrorism is a concept...a behavior. War is not Pavlovian conditioning. It will not bring terrorists in line.

Like it or not, the bell curve applies to human beings as well. There are those on the right side of the bell curve, whom for sake of argument we will call the most desirable human beings...people who seem to be slightly ahead of the evolutionary curve. At the top of the bell, you have joe and jane average...people who comprise probably 80% of the world's total population. On the left side of the curve, you have God's mulligans...human beings that did not come out quite right. That's where your terrorists come from.

Look at it another way...if part of a plant gets a disease, do you spare that part of the plant knowing that the disease will spread and ruin what is left of an otherwise good plant, or do you cut the diseased part off so that the rest of the plant can survive?

THAT is what we have to do to anyone who practices terrorism. There's no justice that will resolve the matter faster than terminating the root cause. You have to kill them...I don't care if it's 1000, 10,000, or 250,000...a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

The vast majority of the world's population are not terrorists. If you have a tumor, and the doctors can cut it out so you will live, you get the tumor cut out. You don't attempt to reason with it, bring it to justice, or sanction it. you don't tell your healthy cells that they have to step up and take control of the tumor. You cut that fucker out, and go through chemo to make sure you've got it all.

That is what you need to do to terrorists. If they want to act in inhuman ways, you must dehumanize them in your mind, and extract them from the bell curve.

Jammin909 wrote:

YES.

It's in everyones best interest, from Canada to France to Iran- that we leave Iraq a stable country.

winning the "war on terror" will not stabilize Iraq. We're being fed a line of crap by the media. This isn't about terrorism anymore. It's about two sects of the largest religion in Iraq getting ready to throw down.

Not unlike the beef between the catholics and the protestants that went down in Ireland for many years...just more horriffic.

Jammin909 wrote:

However, you can easily identify the tumor. It's in a certain location where the doctor can pin point the surgery. If you had 1000 small tumors all over your body, the surgery would get a little more complicated.

I agree with what you are saying and if 250k have to die so 400 million can live free- so be it. Just figuring out how to kill the 250k when they are spread out over an entire continent of a couple billion, where a majority are innocent human beings, proves problematic.

Agreed. It gets even more difficult when the people of Iraq are afraid of their own.

enharmonic wrote:

No single nation can win a war against a concept. Terrorism is a concept...a behavior. War is not Pavlovian conditioning. It will not bring terrorists in line.

Like it or not, the bell curve applies to human beings as well. There are those on the right side of the bell curve, whom for sake of argument we will call the most desirable human beings...people who seem to be slightly ahead of the evolutionary curve. At the top of the bell, you have joe and jane average...people who comprise probably 80% of the world's total population. On the left side of the curve, you have God's mulligans...human beings that did not come out quite right. That's where your terrorists come from.

Look at it another way...if part of a plant gets a disease, do you spare that part of the plant knowing that the disease will spread and ruin what is left of an otherwise good plant, or do you cut the diseased part off so that the rest of the plant can survive?

THAT is what we have to do to anyone who practices terrorism. There's no justice that will resolve the matter faster than terminating the root cause. You have to kill them...I don't care if it's 1000, 10,000, or 250,000...a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

The vast majority of the world's population are not terrorists. If you have a tumor, and the doctors can cut it out so you will live, you get the tumor cut out. You don't attempt to reason with it, bring it to justice, or sanction it. you don't tell your healthy cells that they have to step up and take control of the tumor. You cut that fucker out, and go through chemo to make sure you've got it all.

That is what you need to do to terrorists. If they want to act in inhuman ways, you must dehumanize them in your mind, and extract them from the bell curve.

I like where you're going with this; but you have to think of it this way. How do you take those cancer cells out? Do you research and come up with a way of safely removing it or do you go in with a butter knife and spread the cancer even more, thus increasing it? The latter is what we have done.

enharmonic wrote:

No single nation can win a war against a concept. Terrorism is a concept...a behavior. War is not Pavlovian conditioning. It will not bring terrorists in line.

Like it or not, the bell curve applies to human beings as well. There are those on the right side of the bell curve, whom for sake of argument we will call the most desirable human beings...people who seem to be slightly ahead of the evolutionary curve. At the top of the bell, you have joe and jane average...people who comprise probably 80% of the world's total population. On the left side of the curve, you have God's mulligans...human beings that did not come out quite right. That's where your terrorists come from.

Look at it another way...if part of a plant gets a disease, do you spare that part of the plant knowing that the disease will spread and ruin what is left of an otherwise good plant, or do you cut the diseased part off so that the rest of the plant can survive?

THAT is what we have to do to anyone who practices terrorism. There's no justice that will resolve the matter faster than terminating the root cause. You have to kill them...I don't care if it's 1000, 10,000, or 250,000...a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

The vast majority of the world's population are not terrorists. If you have a tumor, and the doctors can cut it out so you will live, you get the tumor cut out. You don't attempt to reason with it, bring it to justice, or sanction it. you don't tell your healthy cells that they have to step up and take control of the tumor. You cut that fucker out, and go through chemo to make sure you've got it all.

That is what you need to do to terrorists. If they want to act in inhuman ways, you must dehumanize them in your mind, and extract them from the bell curve.

Someone created terrorists, but it wasn't God. It is this way of thinking that scares the shit out of the rest of the world because you have no fucking clue how the world works and you elect people who think like this also. Nobody ever asks why these people became terrorists. The Islamic people of the middle east have a different way of life than Americans (believe it or not). Trying to impose the western way of life on people who have lived a certain way for thousands of years is bound to cause some friction. Killing the terrorists isn't the chemo that you need, that is just a placebo to help people who think like you. What you (we) need to do is take ownership for what you have done over there since WW2 and try to find a peaceful way to solve the problems. It's easier said than done.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what "win the fight" means.


Aside from "Git er Done!" of course.

Uncle Teddy wrote:

Should the American, um, "empire" accept defeat and cut and run from Iraq?
Why does the Democrat(ic?) party (and the American LEFT) have a vested interest in America's defeat and humiliation?

You tell me what your goal is. If I knew what the goal was, I could answer that.

I am sure there is a goal that is positive. However, the stated goals are impossible to achieve.

As I see it, we are killing people in pursuit of a dream we know is not reachable.

Songburst wrote:

No one isn't born a child molestor or murderer? I don't even know how to respond to that as it makes no sense.

It was in response to your

Someone created terrorists, but it wasn't God. Nobody ever asks why these people became terrorists.

You are not born a murderer, molester, or terrorist. Shit happens and you turn into one for some reason(poverty, terrible leaders, bad luck, bored?). Nevermind why- you are a danger to society and need to go.

Canadians and Americans do live similarily. However, Canadians and Americans do not think similarily. There is a big difference.

I have been to Canada a couple times since the war started and yes- almost everyone I spoke with was against the war. However, it's a little different when your leaders lie to you (who only 65M out of 400M voted for) after your country just had these guys fly planes into your buildings. Either way it was bad policy I agree- I just took offense to your head shaking, finger pointing, "you Americans have no idea how the world works" comment.

know1 wrote:

This isn't a war. If it were a war, the U.S. could very easily have won it long ago by the traditional definition of winning a war - i.e. the enemy either surrenders or is wiped out.

This is an occupation and an attempt to minimize violence. Unfortunately, the many factions over there do not want to minimize violence or attempt diplomacy.

The factions do want to minimize violence. They want the occupying forces out!