Something to Piss Off My Fellow Canadians - This Needs to Change!

RockinInCanada
RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
Get a load of this information:

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00. This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.


Man this pisses me off so much that I am speechless. It is a slap in the face of Canadians, makes me sick.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Wow.

    Just wow.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    That is kinda high. what would be a better amount? I mean we can't just not give them anything.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    well I guess basic needs is enough in this situation
  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    I'm not trying to antagonize you Rockin'InCanada and I may just be completely wrong here, but don't you advocate a lot of liberal policies? I stated on a completely unrelated thread the other day that I think a lot of liberal goals are noble and worthy of attaining but not through force of government. The example you just laid out is a reason I consider myself anti-liberal. I wouldn't say I'm conservative, certainly not socially but it seems liberals advocate a lot of government programs and unless they're run perfectly (which nothing is) they have a very high chance of turning out like this, a lot of cost and little to no benefit. Therefore, I'm mostly against them all. (Sorry to overgeneralize but I'm not trying to take an hour to articulate my entire philosophy on life.) If any of what I've said is true, how do you reconcile the two?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    desandrews wrote:
    I'm not trying to antagonize you Rockin'InCanada and I may just be completely wrong here, but don't you advocate a lot of liberal policies? I stated on a completely unrelated thread the other day that I think a lot of liberal goals are noble and worthy of attaining but not through force of government. The example you just laid out is a reason I consider myself anti-liberal. I wouldn't say I'm conservative, certainly not socially but it seems liberals advocate a lot of government programs and unless they're run perfectly (which nothing is) they have a very high chance of turning out like this, a lot of cost and little to no benefit. Therefore, I'm mostly against them all. (Sorry to overgeneralize but I'm not trying to take an hour to articulate my entire philosophy on life.) If any of what I've said is true, how do you reconcile the two?
    Financial Aid isn't a liberal or conservative notion.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    desandrews wrote:
    I'm not trying to antagonize you Rockin'InCanada and I may just be completely wrong here, but don't you advocate a lot of liberal policies? I stated on a completely unrelated thread the other day that I think a lot of liberal goals are noble and worthy of attaining but not through force of government. The example you just laid out is a reason I consider myself anti-liberal. I wouldn't say I'm conservative, certainly not socially but it seems liberals advocate a lot of government programs and unless they're run perfectly (which nothing is) they have a very high chance of turning out like this, a lot of cost and little to no benefit. Therefore, I'm mostly against them all. (Sorry to overgeneralize but I'm not trying to take an hour to articulate my entire philosophy on life.) If any of what I've said is true, how do you reconcile the two?

    Of course they run a risk of turning bad, but we need to perfect it. health care good, the way it's being done. not so good. so what do we do? do away with it all? at the end of the day, it still helps out many people. but it does need to be fixed.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Seems to me that Canada places a high value on cheap immigrant labor. So much so that this has got to be seen as an investment. Not that I agree with it.
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  • gue_barium
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    Just wondering what it would take to qualify me as a "refugee", by Canadian standards. If I build a raft out of milk cartons and float it into one of it's harbors?
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  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    gue_barium wrote:
    Financial Aid isn't a liberal or conservative notion.

    You are absolutely correct, it's the compulsory acts of the government where those notions come into play and that's exactly what I asked about.
  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    MrBrian wrote:
    Of course they run a risk of turning bad, but we need to perfect it. health care good, the way it's being done. not so good. so what do we do? do away with it all? at the end of the day, it still helps out many people. but it does need to be fixed.

    What's the risk? Is it really high or really low? What's the cost? What are the alternatives? What are their risks? Is the cost higher or lower? Could the goals be achieved through other means than government coercion? Just because I don't think the government can get something done efficiently doesn't mean I don't think it's worthy of being done. I just asked a question of how someone's thought process worked and how they reconcile the two. I expect an answer not a knee jerk reaction.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    desandrews wrote:
    I'm not trying to antagonize you Rockin'InCanada and I may just be completely wrong here, but don't you advocate a lot of liberal policies? I stated on a completely unrelated thread the other day that I think a lot of liberal goals are noble and worthy of attaining but not through force of government. The example you just laid out is a reason I consider myself anti-liberal. I wouldn't say I'm conservative, certainly not socially but it seems liberals advocate a lot of government programs and unless they're run perfectly (which nothing is) they have a very high chance of turning out like this, a lot of cost and little to no benefit. Therefore, I'm mostly against them all. (Sorry to overgeneralize but I'm not trying to take an hour to articulate my entire philosophy on life.) If any of what I've said is true, how do you reconcile the two?

    Yes I do consider myself to socially Liberal and I do believe in some social programs (such as univeral healthcare). However it disturbs me that that my pension payments would be so low when compared to the government assistance to immigrants.

    You are correct that this is an example of bad government trying to do good for its people. This is a travesty that I should get less (OF WHAT I CONTRIBUTED THROUGH-OUT MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER) than someone who hops on a boat/plane/whatever to just come here. That is absurd, at the very least I should get, as pension, what these immigrants get. This goes beyond the Liberal/Conservative parties because they have both complied with this.

    And yes Canada is whoring itself out for cheap labour, I read an article the other day that believes as a nation we should make it EASER for immigrants to get in, damn is it not easy enough. I honestly feel we should be taking a harder look on who is getting in this country.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    gue_barium wrote:
    Seems to me that Canada places a high value on cheap immigrant labor. So much so that this has got to be seen as an investment. Not that I agree with it.

    That is exactly what it is...like I said there are many voices trying to make an already aburdly easy process even easier to get immigrants to this country, where my tax dollars can go to supporting them.

    I have no problems with my money going to healthcare which I heavily advoacte, but this no fucking way. If I have to work my ass off to make my life good why the hell shouldn't they, nice to see my country taking better care of incoming foreigners than the elderly of our population who have spent their lives contributing money to a system that is to support them....
  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Yes I do consider myself to socially Liberal and I do believe in some social programs (such as univeral healthcare). However it disturbs me that that my pension payments would be so low when compared to the government assistance to immigrants.

    You are correct that this is an example of bad government trying to do good for its people. This is a travesty that I should get less (OF WHAT I CONTRIBUTED THROUGH-OUT MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER) than someone who hops on a boat/plane/whatever to just come here. That is absurd, at the very least I should get, as pension, what these immigrants get. This goes beyond the Liberal/Conservative parties because they have both complied with this.

    And yes Canada is whoring itself out for cheap labour, I read an article the other day that believes as a nation we should make it EASER for immigrants to get in, damn is it not easy enough. I honestly feel we should be taking a harder look on who is getting in this country.

    I agree with you, this one's pretty shitty.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Get a load of this information:

    It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00. This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.


    Man this pisses me off so much that I am speechless. It is a slap in the face of Canadians, makes me sick.

    the us does this too and it pisses me off to no end. the CHOSEN ones' live off the rest of us.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Yes I do consider myself to socially Liberal and I do believe in some social programs (such as univeral healthcare). However it disturbs me that that my pension payments would be so low when compared to the government assistance to immigrants.

    You are correct that this is an example of bad government trying to do good for its people. This is a travesty that I should get less (OF WHAT I CONTRIBUTED THROUGH-OUT MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER) than someone who hops on a boat/plane/whatever to just come here. That is absurd, at the very least I should get, as pension, what these immigrants get. This goes beyond the Liberal/Conservative parties because they have both complied with this.

    And yes Canada is whoring itself out for cheap labour, I read an article the other day that believes as a nation we should make it EASER for immigrants to get in, damn is it not easy enough. I honestly feel we should be taking a harder look on who is getting in this country.

    i read an article that the mexican illegals are crossing into canada in incredable numbers. is this true?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    gue_barium wrote:
    Seems to me that Canada places a high value on cheap immigrant labor.
    Not at all. We have enough home grown people who seemingly strive to provide cheap labor. Our immigration model is much more highly geared towards atttracting well educated immigrants with in demand skills.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    surferdude wrote:
    Not at all. We have enough home grown people who seemingly strive to provide cheap labor. Our immigration model is much more highly geared towards atttracting well educated immigrants with in demand skills.

    So, in Canadian legalese, "immigrant" and "refugee" are regarded the same designation?
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  • MrBrian
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    desandrews wrote:
    What's the risk? Is it really high or really low? What's the cost? What are the alternatives? What are their risks? Is the cost higher or lower? Could the goals be achieved through other means than government coercion? Just because I don't think the government can get something done efficiently doesn't mean I don't think it's worthy of being done. I just asked a question of how someone's thought process worked and how they reconcile the two. I expect an answer not a knee jerk reaction.

    talk about a knee jerk reaction.
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    I did'nt mean to offend you with what I said, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
    I do find the reason you are anti liberal to be fairly funny.

    Infact I don't even think the world liberal is correct on this matter to begin with.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    MrBrian wrote:
    talk about a knee jerk reaction.
    ----

    I did'nt mean to offend you with what I said, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
    I do find the reason you are anti liberal to be fairly funny.

    Infact I don't even think the world liberal is correct on this matter to begin with.

    He's looking for liberal-conservative reconciliation. He's a seeker of peace. That's what I'm thinking.
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  • RockinInCanada
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    surferdude wrote:
    Not at all. We have enough home grown people who seemingly strive to provide cheap labor. Our immigration model is much more highly geared towards atttracting well educated immigrants with in demand skills.

    Point me in there direction, sounds good to me, however do these people who have education (and therefore should get GREAT jobs) deserve more "help" thank those who have contributed their more than fair share of cash to the government coffers....I do not think so.

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