i agree with you. what happened in the past is history. we have developed and changed and we are not responsable for what others did before us.
what i don't understand is why so many that support affirmative action in the us are now arguing against it's equivilant in canada.
Like who?
I hope you do not mean me, I do not buy into affirimative action. I believe in a system where the best qualified should get what they deserve. If that means out of 90 jobs and 80 goto African Americans good for them in what they deserve. I could care less who gets the jobs, I earn mine at the very least I would hope people have the desire to earn their own as well.
I know what you mean and I agree Canadians should at least get the same. I was only trying to point out that immigrants don't get anything - the money they have to bring is supposed to keep them above water for 6 months and if they can't find jobs within that timespan they basically have to get back to where they came from or starve. I also think that the support for refugees should only be for a certain amount a time or the wrong people will find a way to apply as a refugee.
BTW, the situation is the same in Austria only that we don't have any immigration quota or proof of funds thing. Since Germany has been in a major crisis for years, we are now flooded with Germans who don't get unemployment benefits back home anymore.
So now they get benefits from Austria? What kind of benefits are they seeing?
So now they get benefits from Austria? What kind of benefits are they seeing?
They get jobs working in the tourism industry for a few months and when they're not needed anymore (there are a lot of seasonal jobs in Tirol and other ski regions) they are entitled to unemployment benefits in Austria. Also, a lot of the better jobs now go to Germans who moved to Austria. There are a lot of guys from the former eastern block working in Vienna too since they joined the EU, but they usually work year round and speak our language
There's also a problem with universities now. Since our student fees are only €300,-/semester and everyone with a high school diploma is allowed to go to university, everyone who didn't qualify in Germany tries to get in over here.
After serious problems last year they wanted to introduce a quota this year and were threatened with lawsuits by the EU. Last year, 37% of new med students were Germans while Austrians had to be turned away. There was a joke e-mail going around with a ficitonal future classicifiaction test for med students that was in such an Austrian dialect that no German would have ever passed it
You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
They get jobs working in the tourism industry for a few months and when they're not needed anymore (there are a lot of seasonal jobs in Tirol and other ski regions) they are entitled to unemployment benefits in Austria. Also, a lot of the better jobs now go to Germans who moved to Austria. There are a lot of guys from the former eastern block working in Vienna too since they joined the EU, but they usually work year round and speak our language
There's also a problem with universities now. Since our student fees are only €300,-/semester and everyone with a high school diploma is allowed to go to university, everyone who didn't qualify in Germany tries to get in over here.
After serious problems last year they wanted to introduce a quota this year and were threatened with lawsuits by the EU. Last year, 37% of new med students were Germans while Austrians had to be turned away. There was a joke e-mail going around with a ficitonal future classicifiaction test for med students that was in such an Austrian dialect that no German would have ever passed it
That is not fair, to me at least. So let me get this right, university education essentially in Austria is a social driven program provided through the government, in a nut shell tax dollars are allocated to university programs, correct?
Therefore to me it is a travesty to accept so many foreign people into your College of Medicine. For example I went to school at the University of Sasktachewan and they stipulate only something like 10% of open seats can be taken from out of country people, and another maybe 20% for those out of province (but still Canadians). To me I am shocked that a system in which your taxes go to support would be taking away so many positions from your countrymen.
It seems to me that this is even a bigger issue than what we face here, due to the fact our policy is driven by the federal government where yours is being dictated by the EU. Damn I am not even Austrian and this pisses me off a little.
That is not fair, to me at least. So let me get this right, university education essentially in Austria is a social driven program provided through the government, in a nut shell tax dollars are allocated to university programs, correct?
Yes. University was free until a few years ago, now it's 300,-/semester and students are still staging protests about it which IMHO is pathetic.
Therefore to me it is a travesty to accept so many foreign people into your College of Medicine. For example I went to school at the University of Sasktachewan and they stipulate only something like 10% of open seats can be taken from out of country people, and another maybe 20% for those out of province (but still Canadians). To me I am shocked that a system in which your taxes go to support would be taking away so many positions from your countrymen.
It seems to me that this is even a bigger issue than what we face here, due to the fact our policy is driven by the federal government where yours is being dictated by the EU. Damn I am not even Austrian and this pisses me off a little.
When you are a citizen of a EU member state, you can basically settle anywhere within the EU and work there (there are a few exceptions) and this also goes for schools. 58% of med students are Austrian at the moment, 37% Germans, 2% from other EU countries and 3% from non-EU countries. The system worked until last year when someone in Germany discovered that even with miserable grades, they could study in Austria and it snowballed. Now there's the fear that in 10 years we'll have a serious shortage on doctors because our people can't get in and they are trying to find a way to make it more difficult for foreigners.
I think the thing that makes it even more difficult is that there has always been animosity between Austrians and Germans like them mocking our language and acting arrogantly towards us and us pretty much telling them to fuck off, so the entire thing is bound to get emotional.
You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
Yes. University was free until a few years ago, now it's 300,-/semester and students are still staging protests about it which IMHO is pathetic.
When you are a citizen of a EU member state, you can basically settle anywhere within the EU and work there (there are a few exceptions) and this also goes for schools. 58% of med students are Austrian at the moment, 37% Germans, 2% from other EU countries and 3% from non-EU countries. The system worked until last year when someone in Germany discovered that even with miserable grades, they could study in Austria and it snowballed. Now there's the fear that in 10 years we'll have a serious shortage on doctors because our people can't get in and they are trying to find a way to make it more difficult for foreigners.
I think the thing that makes it even more difficult is that there has always been animosity between Austrians and Germans like them mocking our language and acting arrogantly towards us and us pretty much telling them to fuck off, so the entire thing is bound to get emotional.
Interesting and I do find it pathetic for these students to complan about those rates, in my last years of school people were protesting becasuse of tuition increases....which on average is $2500/semester (Canadian).
I have no problem with a university accepting foreigners (as long as they do meet requirements). However it should be done at the sacrafice of local brains. Meaning drop the allowable percentage, you are most likely to keep local talent in your country then by bringing in outside brains that will 9/10 times leave for another country (most likely their own).
It would be something if they adopted a strategy which forced students to stay within the country for a pre-determined amount of years after graduating. This would take away those that are only going to school to jump ship after graduating and would allow for some local people to get in.
For example the province of Manitoba is doing this with post secondary education. They are quite significant tax breaks (essentially a large chucnk of your tuition) to those students who stay and work for like three or four years after graduating from a Mantiboa school.
I really believe countries should develop their citizens before starting to bend over the left overs of anothers.
It would be something if they adopted a strategy which forced students to stay within the country for a pre-determined amount of years after graduating. This would take away those that are only going to school to jump ship after graduating and would allow for some local people to get in.
For example the province of Manitoba is doing this with post secondary education. They are quite significant tax breaks (essentially a large chucnk of your tuition) to those students who stay and work for like three or four years after graduating from a Mantiboa school.
I really believe countries should develop their citizens before starting to bend over the left overs of anothers.
That's a good system. I also think that this would decrease the number of German students considerably because they want to go back home when they are finished with their studies anyway.
Manitoba also sponsors immigrants under the provincial nominations programme if they sign on to staying in the province for a certain number of years. They are assigned a town that needs more population and workers and agree to stay there for a certain amount of time and in return they don't have to wait for several years to get approved and don't have to bring the before mentioned funds because they are desperately needed there. We are still too traditionally stupid for those things. The province of Burgenland is deserted from Monday to Friday because everyone works in Vienna but they don't do anything to make it worth for immigrants or refugees to settle there and do something for the economy. Burgenland is famous for its Wines and I can't believe that there aren't any immigrants who would want to learn that business who for example were farmers in their native countries in Africa.
You can tell a man from what he has to say - Neil & Tim Finn
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
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Like who?
I hope you do not mean me, I do not buy into affirimative action. I believe in a system where the best qualified should get what they deserve. If that means out of 90 jobs and 80 goto African Americans good for them in what they deserve. I could care less who gets the jobs, I earn mine at the very least I would hope people have the desire to earn their own as well.
So now they get benefits from Austria? What kind of benefits are they seeing?
They get jobs working in the tourism industry for a few months and when they're not needed anymore (there are a lot of seasonal jobs in Tirol and other ski regions) they are entitled to unemployment benefits in Austria. Also, a lot of the better jobs now go to Germans who moved to Austria. There are a lot of guys from the former eastern block working in Vienna too since they joined the EU, but they usually work year round and speak our language
There's also a problem with universities now. Since our student fees are only €300,-/semester and everyone with a high school diploma is allowed to go to university, everyone who didn't qualify in Germany tries to get in over here.
After serious problems last year they wanted to introduce a quota this year and were threatened with lawsuits by the EU. Last year, 37% of new med students were Germans while Austrians had to be turned away. There was a joke e-mail going around with a ficitonal future classicifiaction test for med students that was in such an Austrian dialect that no German would have ever passed it
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
That is not fair, to me at least. So let me get this right, university education essentially in Austria is a social driven program provided through the government, in a nut shell tax dollars are allocated to university programs, correct?
Therefore to me it is a travesty to accept so many foreign people into your College of Medicine. For example I went to school at the University of Sasktachewan and they stipulate only something like 10% of open seats can be taken from out of country people, and another maybe 20% for those out of province (but still Canadians). To me I am shocked that a system in which your taxes go to support would be taking away so many positions from your countrymen.
It seems to me that this is even a bigger issue than what we face here, due to the fact our policy is driven by the federal government where yours is being dictated by the EU. Damn I am not even Austrian and this pisses me off a little.
Yes. University was free until a few years ago, now it's 300,-/semester and students are still staging protests about it which IMHO is pathetic.
When you are a citizen of a EU member state, you can basically settle anywhere within the EU and work there (there are a few exceptions) and this also goes for schools. 58% of med students are Austrian at the moment, 37% Germans, 2% from other EU countries and 3% from non-EU countries. The system worked until last year when someone in Germany discovered that even with miserable grades, they could study in Austria and it snowballed. Now there's the fear that in 10 years we'll have a serious shortage on doctors because our people can't get in and they are trying to find a way to make it more difficult for foreigners.
I think the thing that makes it even more difficult is that there has always been animosity between Austrians and Germans like them mocking our language and acting arrogantly towards us and us pretty much telling them to fuck off, so the entire thing is bound to get emotional.
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson
Interesting and I do find it pathetic for these students to complan about those rates, in my last years of school people were protesting becasuse of tuition increases....which on average is $2500/semester (Canadian).
I have no problem with a university accepting foreigners (as long as they do meet requirements). However it should be done at the sacrafice of local brains. Meaning drop the allowable percentage, you are most likely to keep local talent in your country then by bringing in outside brains that will 9/10 times leave for another country (most likely their own).
It would be something if they adopted a strategy which forced students to stay within the country for a pre-determined amount of years after graduating. This would take away those that are only going to school to jump ship after graduating and would allow for some local people to get in.
For example the province of Manitoba is doing this with post secondary education. They are quite significant tax breaks (essentially a large chucnk of your tuition) to those students who stay and work for like three or four years after graduating from a Mantiboa school.
I really believe countries should develop their citizens before starting to bend over the left overs of anothers.
That's a good system. I also think that this would decrease the number of German students considerably because they want to go back home when they are finished with their studies anyway.
Manitoba also sponsors immigrants under the provincial nominations programme if they sign on to staying in the province for a certain number of years. They are assigned a town that needs more population and workers and agree to stay there for a certain amount of time and in return they don't have to wait for several years to get approved and don't have to bring the before mentioned funds because they are desperately needed there. We are still too traditionally stupid for those things. The province of Burgenland is deserted from Monday to Friday because everyone works in Vienna but they don't do anything to make it worth for immigrants or refugees to settle there and do something for the economy. Burgenland is famous for its Wines and I can't believe that there aren't any immigrants who would want to learn that business who for example were farmers in their native countries in Africa.
They love you so badly for sharing their sorrow, so pick up that guitar and go break a heart - Kris Kristofferson