Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill

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  • Posts: 5,889
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Not to change the subject, but this reminds me of the recently enacted "CLEAR" lists. Where, because of a government sponsored event (911) the government itself is now offering you the privelage of BUYING your way on to a Federal database for air travel that then CLEARs you through security without actualy going through the security process.

    Not only does the government get you on a databse, then ALSO get money for THEIR privelage of having you databased. All in the problem-reaction-solution formula of creating a crisis, which leads to a reaction (this time their own, tightening security) and then offering their very own "novel" solution.

    What is the problem with CLEAR? Not only is the program 100% voluntary, but air travel in general is. If you don't want to participate in the program, then don't.
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    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    i guess that's what i was trying to say in post 39. i don't agree with it, but i'm not 'worried' about it. grrrrr i could explain much easier over a beer! ;)
    :D hahaha... I don't worry either... but it doesn't stop me thinking about it. And everything can be discussed much easier over a pint :)
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    What is the problem with CLEAR? Not only is the program 100% voluntary, but air travel in general is. If you don't want to participate in the program, then don't.
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.
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    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.

    see... theres your first mistake helen... thinking its 'YOUR' world when it is clearly THEIR'S. ;):D
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    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    As someone who was just databased after being filmed and photographed ad naseum this weekend by various spooks and government agency creeps protecting a private function, simply for exercising my constitutionaly guarnateed right to free speech, i find the following not only relevant, but a bit upsetting:

    Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill
    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    June 9, 2008

    If you want to know what kind of president Barack Obama will be, look no further than his sponsorship of the fingerprint registry bill now wending its way through the Senate. Obama apparently has no reservations when it comes to robbing Americans of their freedom. The corporate media does not believe Obama’s backing of this bill warrants mention, but the Heritage Foundation does:

    Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

    According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

    One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

    This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.

    Democrats such as Dianne Feinstein — a member of the globalist Trilateral Commission and also a Bilderberg attendee — parade this bill as consumer protection when in fact it is nothing of the sort. In fact, it is rather odd Feinstein would characterize this bill as such when consumers and the public at large were not to allowed to discuss it. Declan McCullagh writes for CNet:

    What’s a little odd is the lack of public discussion about this new fingerprint database. No mention of it appears in the official summary of the revised Senate bill. No fingerprint database requirement is in the House version of the legislation approved earlier this month. No copy of the revised Senate legislation is posted on the Library of Congress’ Thomas Web site, which would be the usual procedure.

    As McCullagh notes, there is no indication what will happen with the fingerprints after real estate agents have submitted them to the FBI. But this really is a non-brainer — they will go into a sprawling government database along with all the other biometric data collected from citizens by the government.

    If you want to know the government’s opinion on fingerprints, look no further than the comments of DHS honcho Michael Chertoff, who recently stated that “a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they’re like footprints. They’re not particularly private.” In other words, you don’t own your fingerprints — or DNA, for that matter — because you leave it around, thus there should be no expectation of privacy.

    Obama agrees with this — and when, or if, he becomes president he will be no different than the current crop of underwear drawer snooping fascists spying on phone calls, reading email, and rifling through medical and credit records in the name of the “war on terror,” actually a war on the American people.

    As Bilderberg researcher and journalist Jim Tucker told Alex Jones today, the elite are itching to impose their control grid on all of us. According to Tucker’s sources inside Bilderberg — with a solid track record — there was discussion of microchipping the public like so much cattle at the 2008 Bilderberg meeting this past week in Chantilly, Virginia. It will begin with RFID tags in your underwear — I kid you not — and soon enough progress to implantable microchips.

    It now appears both Hillary and Obama secretly attended the Bilderberg meeting, thus we can assume both are all for the agenda to microchip the populace like dogs.

    No doubt Obama and the elite believe it is “Change We Can Believe In.”


    here goes the inch to a mile master at work... my good buddy drifting

    i love when people take something obscure like this and stretch it to being proof of an evil conspiracy by the "elite" to enslave the world :rolleyes:


    the art of strecthing an inch to a mile has been taken to new heights by the anti-obama crowd on the MT... new historic heights :D
  • Posts: 5,889
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.

    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?
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    Maybe it's the fact that infowars was so far off the radar in their "reporting" of the secret meeting between Hillary and Obama and somehow turned it into a Buildabear conspiracy, that I don't put much weight into this story and whatever spin they put on it.

    Personally, I have no problems with a national fingerprinting database. I think it solves a lot more problems than it creates, but I'm not sure on how I feel about the "mandatory" aspect of it, which is why I'm going to look into the bill and see what it actually states.

    EDIT: Does anyone wonder why on Earth infowars chose not to include the bill number? Don't want people doing their own research maybe?
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?
    It's not... but you suggest if I want to keep my civil liberties that I stay at home? Therefore forcing me either to stay at home not travelling the world... OR give up my civil liberties :confused:

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    blackredyellow wrote:
    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?

    Oh please. It's not.

    But road travel isn't mandatory either. How would you like it if they installed security checks every 10 miles where they took your finger prints and your picture. And if they then created a CLEAR road travel list.

    It's bullshit, that's what it is.
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Jesus...what a fucking terrible bill.

    Bill Summary:
    To create a national licensing system for residential mortgage loan originators,
    to develop minimum standards of conduct to be enforced by State regulators,
    and for other purposes.

    The only times that "fingerprints" are mentioned in the whole bill:
    SEC. 5. STATE LICENSE AND REGISTRATION APPLICATION AND ISSUANCE.
    (a) BACKGROUND CHECKS.—In connection with an
    application to any State for licensing and registration as
    a State-licensed loan originator, the applicant shall, at a
    minimum, furnish to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing
    0 System and Registry information concerning the applicant’s identity, including—
    (1) fingerprints for submission to the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national criminal history back
    ground check;

    FEDERAL BANKING AGENCIES.
    (a) DEVELOPMENT.—
    (1) IN GENERAL.—The Federal banking agencies shall jointly, through the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council, develop and maintain a system for registering employees of depository institutions or subsidiaries of depository institutions as registered loan originators with the Nationwide
    Mortgage Licensing System and Registry. The system shall be implemented before the end of the year period beginning on the date of the enactment
    of this Act.
    (2) REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.—In connection with the registration of any loan originator who is an employee of a depository institution or a
    wholly-owned subsidiary of a depository institution VerDate Aug 31 2005
    •S 2595 IS
    with the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry, the appropriate Federal banking agency shall, at a minimum, furnish or cause to be furnished to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry information concerning the employees’s identity, including—fingerprints for submission to the Fed
    eral Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national
    criminal history background check;
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    Collin wrote:
    Oh please. It's not.

    But road travel isn't mandatory either. How would you like it if they installed security checks every 10 miles where they took your finger prints and your picture. And if they then created a CLEAR road travel list.

    It's bullshit, that's what it is.

    Apples and oranges... I'm not talking about fingerprint checkpoints or whatever inside a country. I can fly anywhere in the country with just a photo ID, or drive coast to coast. But, when I enter a foreign country, I don't have a problem with being checked more in depth.
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    Jesus...what a fucking terrible bill.

    Bill Summary:
    To create a national licensing system for residential mortgage loan originators,
    to develop minimum standards of conduct to be enforced by State regulators,
    and for other purposes.

    The only times that "fingerprints" are mentioned in the whole bill:
    SEC. 5. STATE LICENSE AND REGISTRATION APPLICATION AND ISSUANCE.
    (a) BACKGROUND CHECKS.—In connection with an
    application to any State for licensing and registration as
    a State-licensed loan originator, the applicant shall, at a
    minimum, furnish to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing
    0 System and Registry information concerning the applicant’s identity, including—
    (1) fingerprints for submission to the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national criminal history back
    ground check;

    FEDERAL BANKING AGENCIES.
    (a) DEVELOPMENT.—
    (1) IN GENERAL.—The Federal banking agencies shall jointly, through the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council, develop and maintain a system for registering employees of depository institutions or subsidiaries of depository institutions as registered loan originators with the Nationwide
    Mortgage Licensing System and Registry. The system shall be implemented before the end of the year period beginning on the date of the enactment
    of this Act.
    (2) REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.—In connection with the registration of any loan originator who is an employee of a depository institution or a
    wholly-owned subsidiary of a depository institution VerDate Aug 31 2005
    •S 2595 IS
    with the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry, the appropriate Federal banking agency shall, at a minimum, furnish or cause to be furnished to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry information concerning the employees’s identity, including—fingerprints for submission to the Fed
    eral Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national
    criminal history background check;

    infowars overreacted? that's impossible...
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    blackredyellow wrote:
    Apples and oranges... I'm not talking about fingerprint checkpoints or whatever inside a country. I can fly anywhere in the country with just a photo ID, or drive coast to coast. But, when I enter a foreign country, I don't have a problem with being checked more in depth.
    Isn't that a bit selfish? Just cos you live in a big country. you can drive coast to coast of my country in 3 hours. Should I be confined to that space then?
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    that's not much of an argument... obviously nothing may come from this to you personally... but what if they DO decide you'd be the perfect fall guy for something? And maybe not even the government... if these things are on a database... computer database... there are ALWAYS gonna be people who can hack into these things! Suddenly you're on death row and wondering why you weren't really all that worried about it. Yes, that's extreme of course... BUT if the potential's there, it's enough for me.

    You know, I do get where you are coming from.

    I guess I'd like to hear the reasoning from the other side as to why this is necessary. Maybe there is a good reason (like preventing fraud or identity theft, as has been mentioned). The rewards should outweigh the risks in this and any endeavor ... so I guess I'd like to hear what the rewards are.

    EDIT: From reading the actual wording of the bill above, it appears the fingerprints are to be used for a criminal background checks. And, I have to say, it makes a lot of sense. If I go apply for a mortgage, these people are going to have access to all kinds of my sensitive information (SSN, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, etc). I don't want someone with a criminal history -- especially a history of fraud -- handling this information.
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  • Posts: 5,889
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Isn't that a bit selfish? Just cos you live in a big country. you can drive coast to coast of my country in 3 hours. Should I be confined to that space then?

    No one is confining you to any space... But to expect that other countries will just allow anyone else on their soil without any sort of background checks is a bit selfish as well. You are basically expecting other countries to follow your country's rules.

    And I'm not saying the system is right... hell my 6 month old son needs a passport to re-enter the US if we visit Canada - that makes no sense to me whatsoever (and what makes less sense is that the passport is good for 5 years, so when he is 5, his passport picture will be of an infant).
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  • Posts: 18,095
    blackredyellow wrote:
    No one is confining you to any space... But to expect that other countries will just allow anyone else on their soil without any sort of background checks is a bit selfish as well. You are basically expecting other countries to follow your country's rules.

    And I'm not saying the system is right... hell my 6 month old son needs a passport to re-enter the US if we visit Canada - that makes no sense to me whatsoever (and what makes less sense is that the passport is good for 5 years, so when he is 5, his passport picture will be of an infant).
    so if you're not saying the system is right... why are you arguing it with me? :p

    It's nothing to do with any countries or their rules... Anyone should have a bloody right to travel and see the world IMO... who decides that we can't? And how does that benefit anyone?
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  • Posts: 18,095
    slightofjeff wrote:
    You know, I do get where you are coming from.

    I guess I'd like to hear the reasoning from the other side as to why this is necessary. Maybe there is a good reason (like preventing fraud or identity theft, as has been mentioned). The rewards should outweigh the risks in this and any endeavor ... so I guess I'd like to hear what the rewards are.

    EDIT: From reading the actual wording of the bill above, it appears the fingerprints are to be used for a criminal background checks. And, I have to say, it makes a lot of sense. If I go apply for a mortgage, these people are going to have access to all kinds of my sensitive information (SSN, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, etc). I don't want someone with a criminal history -- especially a history of fraud -- handling this information.
    so have you decided the rewards outweigh the risks then? ;)

    what about the people who have THEIR sensitive information... like fingerprints... do we even KNOW who they are? Or what they can do with the information?
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    so have you decided the rewards outweigh the risks then? ;)

    what about the people who have THEIR sensitive information... like fingerprints... do we even KNOW who they are? Or what they can do with the information?

    Let's fingerprint those guys too. Hell, fingerprints for everyone! :)
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    so if you're not saying the system is right... why are you arguing it with me? :p

    It's nothing to do with any countries or their rules... Anyone should have a bloody right to travel and see the world IMO... who decides that we can't? And how does that benefit anyone?

    Well, like, I wouldn't want Osama bin Laden visiting my hometown. Once you blow up a couple buildings here, you're pretty much not welcome anymore.

    So I can understand wanting to have some level of security to ensure that you are not, in fact, Osama bin Laden.
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  • Posts: 18,095
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Let's fingerprint those guys too. Hell, fingerprints for everyone! :)
    :) Now we're getting somewhere... :eek: Hey... :confused: wait...
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