Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill

slightofjeff

reborncareerist wrote:

There ya go. People need to chill out, put down the AKs, and have a Slurpee. Problem solved.
A Slurpee ... But avoid the pump cheese. That shit'll kill ya faster than an IED hidden in Uncle Pashmar's flower bed.

pump cheese was the original wmd

rebornFixer

slightofjeff wrote:

pump cheese was the original wmd

THAT'S why they didn't plant the WMD!!!! Who wants to go near pump cheese?!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I wouldn't willingly suck down any new plan with current admin.

It's all lies anyway

mca47

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Simple is right.
Thats one hell of a simpleton response.

The supreme court has a tradition of upholding that man has a RIGHT to work.
It is, in fact, one of his preeminent rights, as it is the right on which all of his other rights depend.

No work = no food = no life = no liberty = no pursuit of happiness = no home = no property = no nothing.

SO YOUR SOLUTION IS GO FIND ANOTHER JOB THAT THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T DECIDED IT "NEEDS" TO FINGERPRINT YOU FOR?

Then, when the next job you get goes up for the same treatment?

And the next?

And the next?

And the next?

:(

So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?
Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?

Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mca47 wrote:

So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?
Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?

Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.

So if someone comes out with renewed vigor to support something you don't agree with in the first place, and you happen to still disagree, you're just bashing them in spite?

uhh?

mca47

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So if someone comes out with renewed vigor to support something you don't agree with in the first place, and you happen to still disagree, you're just bashing them in spite?

uhh?

I didn't say I "didn't agree with them". I just want to understand their logic. I mean, (as mentioned in my above reply) is this common practice just now known by the thread creator? Is this just a means to attack Obama (like so many of these ridiculous, and some warranted threads?)
If it came out harsh, it wasn't my intention...
I don't think asking "What would you do in these situations" is all that impractical given the nature of the thread. Hell, I've had to deal with it in my line of work. At first I didn't think it was right but I got past it. Just want to know a little more than the bitching points...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mca47 wrote:

I didn't say I "didn't agree with them". I just want to understand their logic. I mean, (as mentioned in my above reply) is this common practice just now known by the thread creator? Is this just a means to attack Obama (like so many of these ridiculous, and some warranted threads?)
If it came out harsh, it wasn't my intention...
I don't think asking "What would you do in these situations" is all that impractical given the nature of the thread. Hell, I've had to deal with it in my line of work. At first I didn't think it was right but I got past it. Just want to know a little more than the bitching points...

Agreed. Foreknowledge of the whole fingerprinting thing would be key in assessing intentions.

In the same breath, identity theft is somewhat of a problem.

I wonder if there are alternatives. Most people associate fingerprinting with the drama of being arrested/incarcerated or thereabouts.

El_Kabong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

...that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee ...

they shouldn't be allowed to put unrelated stuff into bills like they always do to sneak shit by

El_Kabong

mca47 wrote:

So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?
Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?

Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.

not evil, just a lying corporate whore

so if they don't believe what you believe they are crazy liberal internet conspiracy nuts? that sounds a bit arrogant

Heineken Helen

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

???

its one thing to already have a registry.

its another thing entirely to openly start forcing innocent people to SUBMIT their prints to it.

???

but they HAVE been doing that for a few years now... anyone who even wants to VISIT your wonderful country has to give up some civil liberties just to ENTER the fucking country! :mad:

Collin

Heineken Helen wrote:

but they HAVE been doing that for a few years now... anyone who even wants to VISIT your wonderful country has to give up some civil liberties just to ENTER the fucking country! :mad:

Exactly.

Heineken Helen

mca47 wrote:

Simple. If you don't like that industry or that job, don't do it.

:rolleyes: ahhhh.. there we go. Who said they don't like the industry or job? Perhaps it's what they've been training for all their life? And NOW they have to give up their fingerprints? It's ridiculous.

Heineken Helen

slightofjeff wrote:

I'm not that worried about it.

that's not much of an argument... obviously nothing may come from this to you personally... but what if they DO decide you'd be the perfect fall guy for something? And maybe not even the government... if these things are on a database... computer database... there are ALWAYS gonna be people who can hack into these things! Suddenly you're on death row and wondering why you weren't really all that worried about it. Yes, that's extreme of course... BUT if the potential's there, it's enough for me.

Heineken Helen

mca47 wrote:

So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?

And this is ok... WHYYYYYYYYY????????? How is it just silly if you're all for individual freedoms? You evidently don't know the meaning of the word!

mca47 wrote:

Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?

Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.

From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!

Anon

Heineken Helen wrote:

From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!

well i guess that applies to me, because i replied earlier saying i'm not that concerned about it, and i'm not. i'm more concerned with things like if one of my regular work partners is going to be ok after a needlestick injury from a patient infected with human immunodeficiency virus and HCV. or if the baby whose mom got killed in an accident on thursday night is going to be ok.

those are the sort of things that scare the shit out of me. not the billion to one chance that someones going to use my fingerprints to frame me for a crime i never committed.

mca47

Heineken Helen wrote:

And this is ok... WHYYYYYYYYY????????? How is it just silly if you're all for individual freedoms? You evidently don't know the meaning of the word!


From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!

I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

That's all I was trying to get at.

Anon

mca47 wrote:

I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

That's all I was trying to get at.

that's what i was alluding to in post 6. just because it doesn't overly concern me and is not on my 'top list of priorities of things ill get angry about', doesn't mean i agree with it.

if there’s a better way that wouldn’t require a video of the past 20 years of someone’s life, lets suggest it. What is a better idea, that is perceived as much less invasive into our privacy - yet protects us?

Two-edged sword, but if we were a bit more proactive in offering better solutions, ones that we don’t like might not get thrust upon us.

Just a thought

Heineken Helen

Pj_Gurl wrote:

well i guess that applies to me, because i replied earlier saying i'm not that concerned about it, and i'm not. i'm more concerned with things like if one of my regular work partners is going to be ok after a needlestick injury from a patient infected with human immunodeficiency virus and HCV. or if the baby whose mom got killed in an accident on thursday night is going to be ok.

those are the sort of things that scare the shit out of me. not the billion to one chance that someones going to use my fingerprints to frame me for a crime i never committed.

Yes, of course we all have more immediate worries... but unless we say a firm 'NO' to things like this... they WILL be immediate worries in the future either for us of for that baby whose mom got killed in the accident. It doesn't look like very much when it's little by little... but when we give rights away one at a time... one day we'll wake up with no rights at all and wonder how it all happened. They're depending on people being more worried about pressing issues than something down the line which may never even happen... but is it really that hard for you to say 'well there's plenty I'm more worried about so I'm not going to lose sleep over it but they don't have my support on this'?

Heineken Helen

mca47 wrote:

I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

That's all I was trying to get at.

I don't know :( There's always the ballot sheet, lol.

Well hopefully next week Ireland will put an end to the beginning of the European nanny state . There's a very very very good chance we will.

Anon

Heineken Helen wrote:

but is it really that hard for you to say 'well there's plenty I'm more worried about so I'm not going to lose sleep over it but they don't have my support on this'?

i guess that's what i was trying to say in post 39. i don't agree with it, but i'm not 'worried' about it. grrrrr i could explain much easier over a beer!