Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill

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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    :confused: but they HAVE been doing that for a few years now... anyone who even wants to VISIT your wonderful country has to give up some civil liberties just to ENTER the fucking country! :mad:

    Exactly.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    mca47 wrote:
    Simple. If you don't like that industry or that job, don't do it.
    :rolleyes: ahhhh.. there we go. Who said they don't like the industry or job? Perhaps it's what they've been training for all their life? And NOW they have to give up their fingerprints? It's ridiculous.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    I'm not that worried about it.
    that's not much of an argument... obviously nothing may come from this to you personally... but what if they DO decide you'd be the perfect fall guy for something? And maybe not even the government... if these things are on a database... computer database... there are ALWAYS gonna be people who can hack into these things! Suddenly you're on death row and wondering why you weren't really all that worried about it. Yes, that's extreme of course... BUT if the potential's there, it's enough for me.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    mca47 wrote:
    So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?

    And this is ok... WHYYYYYYYYY????????? How is it just silly if you're all for individual freedoms? You evidently don't know the meaning of the word!
    mca47 wrote:
    Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
    Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?

    Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.
    From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!
    well i guess that applies to me, because i replied earlier saying i'm not that concerned about it, and i'm not. i'm more concerned with things like if one of my regular work partners is going to be ok after a needlestick injury from a patient infected with human immunodeficiency virus and HCV. or if the baby whose mom got killed in an accident on thursday night is going to be ok.

    those are the sort of things that scare the shit out of me. not the billion to one chance that someones going to use my fingerprints to frame me for a crime i never committed.
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,300
    And this is ok... WHYYYYYYYYY????????? How is it just silly if you're all for individual freedoms? You evidently don't know the meaning of the word!


    From my point of view, I couldn't give a fuck if it's Obama or the pope himself who's endorsing this... either way it's blatently wrong! And the argument 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't see the big deal' is mind boggling... simply mind boggling!


    I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
    So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

    That's all I was trying to get at.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    mca47 wrote:
    I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
    So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

    That's all I was trying to get at.
    that's what i was alluding to in post 6. just because it doesn't overly concern me and is not on my 'top list of priorities of things ill get angry about', doesn't mean i agree with it.

    if there’s a better way that wouldn’t require a video of the past 20 years of someone’s life, lets suggest it. What is a better idea, that is perceived as much less invasive into our privacy - yet protects us?

    Two-edged sword, but if we were a bit more proactive in offering better solutions, ones that we don’t like might not get thrust upon us.

    Just a thought
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    well i guess that applies to me, because i replied earlier saying i'm not that concerned about it, and i'm not. i'm more concerned with things like if one of my regular work partners is going to be ok after a needlestick injury from a patient infected with human immunodeficiency virus and HCV. or if the baby whose mom got killed in an accident on thursday night is going to be ok.

    those are the sort of things that scare the shit out of me. not the billion to one chance that someones going to use my fingerprints to frame me for a crime i never committed.
    Yes, of course we all have more immediate worries... but unless we say a firm 'NO' to things like this... they WILL be immediate worries in the future either for us of for that baby whose mom got killed in the accident. It doesn't look like very much when it's little by little... but when we give rights away one at a time... one day we'll wake up with no rights at all and wonder how it all happened. They're depending on people being more worried about pressing issues than something down the line which may never even happen... but is it really that hard for you to say 'well there's plenty I'm more worried about so I'm not going to lose sleep over it but they don't have my support on this'?
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    mca47 wrote:
    I guess I should have emphasized the bottom line of my replies.
    So, you don't agree with it...neither do I. What do you do?

    That's all I was trying to get at.
    I don't know :( There's always the ballot sheet, lol.

    Well hopefully next week Ireland will put an end to the beginning of the European nanny state :o . There's a very very very good chance we will.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    but is it really that hard for you to say 'well there's plenty I'm more worried about so I'm not going to lose sleep over it but they don't have my support on this'?
    i guess that's what i was trying to say in post 39. i don't agree with it, but i'm not 'worried' about it. grrrrr i could explain much easier over a beer! ;)
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Not to change the subject, but this reminds me of the recently enacted "CLEAR" lists. Where, because of a government sponsored event (911) the government itself is now offering you the privelage of BUYING your way on to a Federal database for air travel that then CLEARs you through security without actualy going through the security process.

    Not only does the government get you on a databse, then ALSO get money for THEIR privelage of having you databased. All in the problem-reaction-solution formula of creating a crisis, which leads to a reaction (this time their own, tightening security) and then offering their very own "novel" solution.

    What is the problem with CLEAR? Not only is the program 100% voluntary, but air travel in general is. If you don't want to participate in the program, then don't.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    i guess that's what i was trying to say in post 39. i don't agree with it, but i'm not 'worried' about it. grrrrr i could explain much easier over a beer! ;)
    :D hahaha... I don't worry either... but it doesn't stop me thinking about it. And everything can be discussed much easier over a pint :)
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    What is the problem with CLEAR? Not only is the program 100% voluntary, but air travel in general is. If you don't want to participate in the program, then don't.
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.

    see... theres your first mistake helen... thinking its 'YOUR' world when it is clearly THEIR'S. ;):D
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    As someone who was just databased after being filmed and photographed ad naseum this weekend by various spooks and government agency creeps protecting a private function, simply for exercising my constitutionaly guarnateed right to free speech, i find the following not only relevant, but a bit upsetting:

    Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill
    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    June 9, 2008

    If you want to know what kind of president Barack Obama will be, look no further than his sponsorship of the fingerprint registry bill now wending its way through the Senate. Obama apparently has no reservations when it comes to robbing Americans of their freedom. The corporate media does not believe Obama’s backing of this bill warrants mention, but the Heritage Foundation does:

    Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

    According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

    One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

    This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.

    Democrats such as Dianne Feinstein — a member of the globalist Trilateral Commission and also a Bilderberg attendee — parade this bill as consumer protection when in fact it is nothing of the sort. In fact, it is rather odd Feinstein would characterize this bill as such when consumers and the public at large were not to allowed to discuss it. Declan McCullagh writes for CNet:

    What’s a little odd is the lack of public discussion about this new fingerprint database. No mention of it appears in the official summary of the revised Senate bill. No fingerprint database requirement is in the House version of the legislation approved earlier this month. No copy of the revised Senate legislation is posted on the Library of Congress’ Thomas Web site, which would be the usual procedure.

    As McCullagh notes, there is no indication what will happen with the fingerprints after real estate agents have submitted them to the FBI. But this really is a non-brainer — they will go into a sprawling government database along with all the other biometric data collected from citizens by the government.

    If you want to know the government’s opinion on fingerprints, look no further than the comments of DHS honcho Michael Chertoff, who recently stated that “a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they’re like footprints. They’re not particularly private.” In other words, you don’t own your fingerprints — or DNA, for that matter — because you leave it around, thus there should be no expectation of privacy.

    Obama agrees with this — and when, or if, he becomes president he will be no different than the current crop of underwear drawer snooping fascists spying on phone calls, reading email, and rifling through medical and credit records in the name of the “war on terror,” actually a war on the American people.

    As Bilderberg researcher and journalist Jim Tucker told Alex Jones today, the elite are itching to impose their control grid on all of us. According to Tucker’s sources inside Bilderberg — with a solid track record — there was discussion of microchipping the public like so much cattle at the 2008 Bilderberg meeting this past week in Chantilly, Virginia. It will begin with RFID tags in your underwear — I kid you not — and soon enough progress to implantable microchips.

    It now appears both Hillary and Obama secretly attended the Bilderberg meeting, thus we can assume both are all for the agenda to microchip the populace like dogs.

    No doubt Obama and the elite believe it is “Change We Can Believe In.”


    here goes the inch to a mile master at work... my good buddy drifting

    i love when people take something obscure like this and stretch it to being proof of an evil conspiracy by the "elite" to enslave the world :rolleyes:


    the art of strecthing an inch to a mile has been taken to new heights by the anti-obama crowd on the MT... new historic heights :D
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    :confused: getting off the point of CLEAR... air travel is voluntary? Yeh, sure it is... but should we all just stay at home? It's not just travelling into the US by air where you have to give your prints. I ask again... why do I have to give up my civil liberties just cos there's a part of MY world that I want to see? What gives them the right to use anti terrorism acts against me? It's completely disrespectful and implies guilt before proven innocence.

    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Maybe it's the fact that infowars was so far off the radar in their "reporting" of the secret meeting between Hillary and Obama and somehow turned it into a Buildabear conspiracy, that I don't put much weight into this story and whatever spin they put on it.

    Personally, I have no problems with a national fingerprinting database. I think it solves a lot more problems than it creates, but I'm not sure on how I feel about the "mandatory" aspect of it, which is why I'm going to look into the bill and see what it actually states.

    EDIT: Does anyone wonder why on Earth infowars chose not to include the bill number? Don't want people doing their own research maybe?
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?
    It's not... but you suggest if I want to keep my civil liberties that I stay at home? Therefore forcing me either to stay at home not travelling the world... OR give up my civil liberties :confused:

    WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Exactly how is air travel mandatory?

    Oh please. It's not.

    But road travel isn't mandatory either. How would you like it if they installed security checks every 10 miles where they took your finger prints and your picture. And if they then created a CLEAR road travel list.

    It's bullshit, that's what it is.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Jesus...what a fucking terrible bill.

    Bill Summary:
    To create a national licensing system for residential mortgage loan originators,
    to develop minimum standards of conduct to be enforced by State regulators,
    and for other purposes.

    The only times that "fingerprints" are mentioned in the whole bill:
    SEC. 5. STATE LICENSE AND REGISTRATION APPLICATION AND ISSUANCE.
    (a) BACKGROUND CHECKS.—In connection with an
    application to any State for licensing and registration as
    a State-licensed loan originator, the applicant shall, at a
    minimum, furnish to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing
    0 System and Registry information concerning the applicant’s identity, including—
    (1) fingerprints for submission to the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national criminal history back
    ground check;

    FEDERAL BANKING AGENCIES.
    (a) DEVELOPMENT.—
    (1) IN GENERAL.—The Federal banking agencies shall jointly, through the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council, develop and maintain a system for registering employees of depository institutions or subsidiaries of depository institutions as registered loan originators with the Nationwide
    Mortgage Licensing System and Registry. The system shall be implemented before the end of the year period beginning on the date of the enactment
    of this Act.
    (2) REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.—In connection with the registration of any loan originator who is an employee of a depository institution or a
    wholly-owned subsidiary of a depository institution VerDate Aug 31 2005
    •S 2595 IS
    with the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry, the appropriate Federal banking agency shall, at a minimum, furnish or cause to be furnished to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry information concerning the employees’s identity, including—fingerprints for submission to the Fed
    eral Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national
    criminal history background check;
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Collin wrote:
    Oh please. It's not.

    But road travel isn't mandatory either. How would you like it if they installed security checks every 10 miles where they took your finger prints and your picture. And if they then created a CLEAR road travel list.

    It's bullshit, that's what it is.

    Apples and oranges... I'm not talking about fingerprint checkpoints or whatever inside a country. I can fly anywhere in the country with just a photo ID, or drive coast to coast. But, when I enter a foreign country, I don't have a problem with being checked more in depth.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Jesus...what a fucking terrible bill.

    Bill Summary:
    To create a national licensing system for residential mortgage loan originators,
    to develop minimum standards of conduct to be enforced by State regulators,
    and for other purposes.

    The only times that "fingerprints" are mentioned in the whole bill:
    SEC. 5. STATE LICENSE AND REGISTRATION APPLICATION AND ISSUANCE.
    (a) BACKGROUND CHECKS.—In connection with an
    application to any State for licensing and registration as
    a State-licensed loan originator, the applicant shall, at a
    minimum, furnish to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing
    0 System and Registry information concerning the applicant’s identity, including—
    (1) fingerprints for submission to the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national criminal history back
    ground check;

    FEDERAL BANKING AGENCIES.
    (a) DEVELOPMENT.—
    (1) IN GENERAL.—The Federal banking agencies shall jointly, through the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council, develop and maintain a system for registering employees of depository institutions or subsidiaries of depository institutions as registered loan originators with the Nationwide
    Mortgage Licensing System and Registry. The system shall be implemented before the end of the year period beginning on the date of the enactment
    of this Act.
    (2) REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.—In connection with the registration of any loan originator who is an employee of a depository institution or a
    wholly-owned subsidiary of a depository institution VerDate Aug 31 2005
    •S 2595 IS
    with the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry, the appropriate Federal banking agency shall, at a minimum, furnish or cause to be furnished to the Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry information concerning the employees’s identity, including—fingerprints for submission to the Fed
    eral Bureau of Investigation, and any governmental agency or entity authorized to receive such information for a State and national
    criminal history background check;

    infowars overreacted? that's impossible...
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Apples and oranges... I'm not talking about fingerprint checkpoints or whatever inside a country. I can fly anywhere in the country with just a photo ID, or drive coast to coast. But, when I enter a foreign country, I don't have a problem with being checked more in depth.
    Isn't that a bit selfish? Just cos you live in a big country. you can drive coast to coast of my country in 3 hours. Should I be confined to that space then?
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    that's not much of an argument... obviously nothing may come from this to you personally... but what if they DO decide you'd be the perfect fall guy for something? And maybe not even the government... if these things are on a database... computer database... there are ALWAYS gonna be people who can hack into these things! Suddenly you're on death row and wondering why you weren't really all that worried about it. Yes, that's extreme of course... BUT if the potential's there, it's enough for me.

    You know, I do get where you are coming from.

    I guess I'd like to hear the reasoning from the other side as to why this is necessary. Maybe there is a good reason (like preventing fraud or identity theft, as has been mentioned). The rewards should outweigh the risks in this and any endeavor ... so I guess I'd like to hear what the rewards are.

    EDIT: From reading the actual wording of the bill above, it appears the fingerprints are to be used for a criminal background checks. And, I have to say, it makes a lot of sense. If I go apply for a mortgage, these people are going to have access to all kinds of my sensitive information (SSN, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, etc). I don't want someone with a criminal history -- especially a history of fraud -- handling this information.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Isn't that a bit selfish? Just cos you live in a big country. you can drive coast to coast of my country in 3 hours. Should I be confined to that space then?

    No one is confining you to any space... But to expect that other countries will just allow anyone else on their soil without any sort of background checks is a bit selfish as well. You are basically expecting other countries to follow your country's rules.

    And I'm not saying the system is right... hell my 6 month old son needs a passport to re-enter the US if we visit Canada - that makes no sense to me whatsoever (and what makes less sense is that the passport is good for 5 years, so when he is 5, his passport picture will be of an infant).
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    No one is confining you to any space... But to expect that other countries will just allow anyone else on their soil without any sort of background checks is a bit selfish as well. You are basically expecting other countries to follow your country's rules.

    And I'm not saying the system is right... hell my 6 month old son needs a passport to re-enter the US if we visit Canada - that makes no sense to me whatsoever (and what makes less sense is that the passport is good for 5 years, so when he is 5, his passport picture will be of an infant).
    so if you're not saying the system is right... why are you arguing it with me? :p

    It's nothing to do with any countries or their rules... Anyone should have a bloody right to travel and see the world IMO... who decides that we can't? And how does that benefit anyone?
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    You know, I do get where you are coming from.

    I guess I'd like to hear the reasoning from the other side as to why this is necessary. Maybe there is a good reason (like preventing fraud or identity theft, as has been mentioned). The rewards should outweigh the risks in this and any endeavor ... so I guess I'd like to hear what the rewards are.

    EDIT: From reading the actual wording of the bill above, it appears the fingerprints are to be used for a criminal background checks. And, I have to say, it makes a lot of sense. If I go apply for a mortgage, these people are going to have access to all kinds of my sensitive information (SSN, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, etc). I don't want someone with a criminal history -- especially a history of fraud -- handling this information.
    so have you decided the rewards outweigh the risks then? ;)

    what about the people who have THEIR sensitive information... like fingerprints... do we even KNOW who they are? Or what they can do with the information?
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    so have you decided the rewards outweigh the risks then? ;)

    what about the people who have THEIR sensitive information... like fingerprints... do we even KNOW who they are? Or what they can do with the information?

    Let's fingerprint those guys too. Hell, fingerprints for everyone! :)
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    so if you're not saying the system is right... why are you arguing it with me? :p

    It's nothing to do with any countries or their rules... Anyone should have a bloody right to travel and see the world IMO... who decides that we can't? And how does that benefit anyone?

    Well, like, I wouldn't want Osama bin Laden visiting my hometown. Once you blow up a couple buildings here, you're pretty much not welcome anymore.

    So I can understand wanting to have some level of security to ensure that you are not, in fact, Osama bin Laden.
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Let's fingerprint those guys too. Hell, fingerprints for everyone! :)
    :) Now we're getting somewhere... :eek: Hey... :confused: wait...
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