Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill
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As someone who was just databased after being filmed and photographed ad naseum this weekend by various spooks and government agency creeps protecting a private function, simply for exercising my constitutionaly guarnateed right to free speech, i find the following not only relevant, but a bit upsetting:
Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
June 9, 2008
If you want to know what kind of president Barack Obama will be, look no further than his sponsorship of the fingerprint registry bill now wending its way through the Senate. Obama apparently has no reservations when it comes to robbing Americans of their freedom. The corporate media does not believe Obama’s backing of this bill warrants mention, but the Heritage Foundation does:
Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.
According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”
One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”
This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.
Democrats such as Dianne Feinstein — a member of the globalist Trilateral Commission and also a Bilderberg attendee — parade this bill as consumer protection when in fact it is nothing of the sort. In fact, it is rather odd Feinstein would characterize this bill as such when consumers and the public at large were not to allowed to discuss it. Declan McCullagh writes for CNet:
What’s a little odd is the lack of public discussion about this new fingerprint database. No mention of it appears in the official summary of the revised Senate bill. No fingerprint database requirement is in the House version of the legislation approved earlier this month. No copy of the revised Senate legislation is posted on the Library of Congress’ Thomas Web site, which would be the usual procedure.
As McCullagh notes, there is no indication what will happen with the fingerprints after real estate agents have submitted them to the FBI. But this really is a non-brainer — they will go into a sprawling government database along with all the other biometric data collected from citizens by the government.
If you want to know the government’s opinion on fingerprints, look no further than the comments of DHS honcho Michael Chertoff, who recently stated that “a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they’re like footprints. They’re not particularly private.” In other words, you don’t own your fingerprints — or DNA, for that matter — because you leave it around, thus there should be no expectation of privacy.
Obama agrees with this — and when, or if, he becomes president he will be no different than the current crop of underwear drawer snooping fascists spying on phone calls, reading email, and rifling through medical and credit records in the name of the “war on terror,” actually a war on the American people.
As Bilderberg researcher and journalist Jim Tucker told Alex Jones today, the elite are itching to impose their control grid on all of us. According to Tucker’s sources inside Bilderberg — with a solid track record — there was discussion of microchipping the public like so much cattle at the 2008 Bilderberg meeting this past week in Chantilly, Virginia. It will begin with RFID tags in your underwear — I kid you not — and soon enough progress to implantable microchips.
It now appears both Hillary and Obama secretly attended the Bilderberg meeting, thus we can assume both are all for the agenda to microchip the populace like dogs.
No doubt Obama and the elite believe it is “Change We Can Believe In.”
Obama Sponsors Fingerprint Registry Bill
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
June 9, 2008
If you want to know what kind of president Barack Obama will be, look no further than his sponsorship of the fingerprint registry bill now wending its way through the Senate. Obama apparently has no reservations when it comes to robbing Americans of their freedom. The corporate media does not believe Obama’s backing of this bill warrants mention, but the Heritage Foundation does:
Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.
According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “create national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”
One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”
This is a step in the wrong direction — at least for a nation that preserves freedom.
Democrats such as Dianne Feinstein — a member of the globalist Trilateral Commission and also a Bilderberg attendee — parade this bill as consumer protection when in fact it is nothing of the sort. In fact, it is rather odd Feinstein would characterize this bill as such when consumers and the public at large were not to allowed to discuss it. Declan McCullagh writes for CNet:
What’s a little odd is the lack of public discussion about this new fingerprint database. No mention of it appears in the official summary of the revised Senate bill. No fingerprint database requirement is in the House version of the legislation approved earlier this month. No copy of the revised Senate legislation is posted on the Library of Congress’ Thomas Web site, which would be the usual procedure.
As McCullagh notes, there is no indication what will happen with the fingerprints after real estate agents have submitted them to the FBI. But this really is a non-brainer — they will go into a sprawling government database along with all the other biometric data collected from citizens by the government.
If you want to know the government’s opinion on fingerprints, look no further than the comments of DHS honcho Michael Chertoff, who recently stated that “a fingerprint is hardly personal data because you leave it on glasses and silverware and articles all over the world, they’re like footprints. They’re not particularly private.” In other words, you don’t own your fingerprints — or DNA, for that matter — because you leave it around, thus there should be no expectation of privacy.
Obama agrees with this — and when, or if, he becomes president he will be no different than the current crop of underwear drawer snooping fascists spying on phone calls, reading email, and rifling through medical and credit records in the name of the “war on terror,” actually a war on the American people.
As Bilderberg researcher and journalist Jim Tucker told Alex Jones today, the elite are itching to impose their control grid on all of us. According to Tucker’s sources inside Bilderberg — with a solid track record — there was discussion of microchipping the public like so much cattle at the 2008 Bilderberg meeting this past week in Chantilly, Virginia. It will begin with RFID tags in your underwear — I kid you not — and soon enough progress to implantable microchips.
It now appears both Hillary and Obama secretly attended the Bilderberg meeting, thus we can assume both are all for the agenda to microchip the populace like dogs.
No doubt Obama and the elite believe it is “Change We Can Believe In.”
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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On the subject of Obama, his lack of "goodness", and his lack of "anti-establishment"-ness ...
lets look no farther than the oh-so-relavent connection he has to a one Jim Johnson ... this guy ... the man Obama has turned to in order to find a running mate.
A man who just got back from attending Bilderberg.
Not very "outside the beltway", Senator Obama.
You lying turd, you.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
???
its one thing to already have a registry.
its another thing entirely to openly start forcing innocent people to SUBMIT their prints to it.
???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This is an attempt to regulate an industry. The same thing has been in place for years in the financial services field. Anyone holding NASD (now FINRA) registrations (i.e. stockbroker, registered rep, etc.) has to provide fingerprints.
Don't Lawyers have to submit finger prints to their state bar to have a professional license to practice law? Don't Doctors have to submit finger prints to have a professional license to practice medicine? Did you know that Teachers, at least in Texas, must submit finger prints to certify their teaching certificate?
If you ever served in the armed forces, everyone is required to give a DNA sample to identify the body parts.
So, why shouldn’t real estate brokers submit their prints to a State as a condition of license to sell real estate? Actually, in some States, this is already the practice.
My only caveat: professional licenses are a State matter, and the US Congress should butt out and not force States to enact legislation on conditional of access to Federal Highway Money.
That said, if there’s a better way that wouldn’t require a video of the past 20 years of someone’s life, lets suggest it. What is a better idea, that is perceived as much less invasive into our privacy - yet protects us?
Two-edged sword, but if we were a bit more proactive in offering better solutions, ones that we don’t like might not get thrust upon us.
Just a thought.
First, I agree with you about forcing people.
But why, really, is it any different than having them provide any other unique identifier such as their SSN?
Why SHOULD they have to?
What about buying and selling real estate necessitates the federal government having your fingerprints on file?
???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Perhaps because it is a process that lends itself to fraud and identity theft.
Simple. If you don't like that industry or that job, don't do it.
Call me old fashioned,
but i guess i just have a problem with Federal preemption.
Not to change the subject, but this reminds me of the recently enacted "CLEAR" lists. Where, because of a government sponsored event (911) the government itself is now offering you the privelage of BUYING your way on to a Federal database for air travel that then CLEARs you through security without actualy going through the security process.
Not only does the government get you on a databse, then ALSO get money for THEIR privelage of having you databased. All in the problem-reaction-solution formula of creating a crisis, which leads to a reaction (this time their own, tightening security) and then offering their very own "novel" solution.
Anyhow.
I'm all for stopping identity theft and fraud.
But one has to be VERY weary of the balance between combating crime, and impeding liberty.
Well intentioned or not, i have a hard time with the idea of putting people in a database, just so they can have a job.
And to someone else's point, "How is this any different than other forms of unique identification like [the fraudulent] Social Security cards?"
Exactly.
How IS it any different?
Don't we already give the government enough ways to track and profile us?
Why fingerprints as well?
So they can set me up for a crime i didn't commit,
and plant prints at the scene?
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
In fact, it will make it easier to identify my body after the government conspires to blow up my office building like on 9/11. [/crossthreading]
for the least they could possibly do
Simple is right.
Thats one hell of a simpleton response.
The supreme court has a tradition of upholding that man has a RIGHT to work.
It is, in fact, one of his preeminent rights, as it is the right on which all of his other rights depend.
No work = no food = no life = no liberty = no pursuit of happiness = no home = no property = no nothing.
SO YOUR SOLUTION IS GO FIND ANOTHER JOB THAT THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T DECIDED IT "NEEDS" TO FINGERPRINT YOU FOR?
Then, when the next job you get goes up for the same treatment?
And the next?
And the next?
And the next?
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Or "fingerprint" you for the crime of blowing up someone ELSEs office building.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm not that worried about it.
for the least they could possibly do
Dude, the government is going to blow up your building? Let me guess ... Its full of Arabs!
There's a 7/11 joke in there, but I'm not gonna make it.
for the least they could possibly do
forced detachment from society ?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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There ya go. People need to chill out, put down the AKs, and have a Slurpee. Problem solved.
A Slurpee ... But avoid the pump cheese. That shit'll kill ya faster than an IED hidden in Uncle Pashmar's flower bed.
pump cheese was the original wmd
for the least they could possibly do
THAT'S why they didn't plant the WMD!!!! Who wants to go near pump cheese?!
It's all lies anyway
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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So if your company asked you to submit a fingerprint tomorrow what are you going to do? Hey, I'm all for individual freedoms, but this is just silly. What are you going to do? Protest and still not have a job? Quit and find something else (like I mentioned above)? If you have a good job, do you go against your belief and submit one anyways?
Clearly this has been going on for many years now, and now it's a big deal? Did you not know this was going on in the first place?
Why has this only been brought up now? Is it because internet conspiracy nuts and crazy liberals don't have enough to bitch and moan about in a non-election year?
Must...get...Obama! Must...prove...he is...evil.
So if someone comes out with renewed vigor to support something you don't agree with in the first place, and you happen to still disagree, you're just bashing them in spite?
uhh?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I didn't say I "didn't agree with them". I just want to understand their logic. I mean, (as mentioned in my above reply) is this common practice just now known by the thread creator? Is this just a means to attack Obama (like so many of these ridiculous, and some warranted threads?)
If it came out harsh, it wasn't my intention...
I don't think asking "What would you do in these situations" is all that impractical given the nature of the thread. Hell, I've had to deal with it in my line of work. At first I didn't think it was right but I got past it. Just want to know a little more than the bitching points...
Agreed. Foreknowledge of the whole fingerprinting thing would be key in assessing intentions.
In the same breath, identity theft is somewhat of a problem.
I wonder if there are alternatives. Most people associate fingerprinting with the drama of being arrested/incarcerated or thereabouts.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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they shouldn't be allowed to put unrelated stuff into bills like they always do to sneak shit by
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
not evil, just a lying corporate whore
so if they don't believe what you believe they are crazy liberal internet conspiracy nuts? that sounds a bit arrogant
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Had I not found this love with you