joint chiefs chair says homosexuality is immoral

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    hippiemom wrote:
    So if he's speaking in his capacity as a representative of the administration and the Pentagon, he's saying that the highest levels of our government consider a significant percentage of the population to be "immoral" because of something they very likely have no more control over than they have over their skin color. And people are having trouble figuring out why anyone would take offense to this?
    The fact is that these people in power do think this way. It's disturbing, yes. I'd be happy to have that kind of thing out in the open, because glaring discrimination is a little trickier when it's covert.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    For me, the real adultery includes pre-marital sex.


    you are a funny guy :D
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:
    you are a funny guy :D
    You're laughing at someone's well-intended belief?
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    angelica wrote:
    The fact is that these people in power do think this way. It's disturbing, yes. I'd be happy to have that kind of thing out in the open, because glaring discrimination is a little trickier when it's covert.
    Oh, I know they think this way. I was just responding to the general theme in this thread, which seems to be "Why would anyone take offense to this remark?" To me, it's glaringly obvious why some would find it offensive.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    angelica wrote:
    You're laughing at someone's well-intended belief?


    no, i just find him quite funny some times with the "over the top holier than thou you are all sinners if you dont get in line" approach to others...

    we get along, and i respect his beliefs, but i just think it is time for the human race to make a little progress, thats all. sex is not evil, pre-marital sex is not evil. it is completely natural. i am not an adulterer. end of story.

    the thing i find quite interesting about people of faith, especially christians, is that they are the first to cast the stone. they preach that non-believers are sinners that have a one way ticket to hell (short and sweet version). so i take the opportunity anytime i get to tell them they are full of shit. they usually get uppity and offended, meanwhile they tell me in the same breath i am going to hell (talk about offensive). i always find that hypocricy to be amusing.

    with that said, i still like mr know1, and i respect his right to believe, as long as he respects my right to tell him he is full of shit when he calles me a sinner. fair is fair :D
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    and i sure hope this ass's hate mongering are not a shock to anyone.
  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    story has hit the beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6446815.stm

    gay rights groups have of course demanded action. and rightly so
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    my2hands wrote:
    no, i just find him quite funny some times with the "over the top holier than thou you are all sinners if you dont get in line" approach to others...

    we get along, and i respect his beliefs, but i just think it is time for the human race to make a little progress, thats all. sex is not evil, pre-marital sex is not evil. it is completely natural. i am not an adulterer. end of story.

    the thing i find quite interesting about people of faith, especially christians, is that they are the first to cast the stone. they preach that non-believers are sinners that have a one way ticket to hell (short and sweet version). so i take the opportunity anytime i get to tell them they are full of shit. they usually get uppity and offended, meanwhile they tell me in the same breath i am going to hell (talk about offensive). i always find that hypocricy to be amusing.

    with that said, i still like mr know1, and i respect his right to believe, as long as he respects my right to tell him he is full of shit when he calles me a sinner. fair is fair :D

    I agree with this.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh, I know they think this way. I was just responding to the general theme in this thread, which seems to be "Why would anyone take offense to this remark?" To me, it's glaringly obvious why some would find it offensive.

    I also agree with this.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    my2hands wrote:
    no, i just find him quite funny some times with the "over the top holier than thou you are all sinners if you dont get in line" approach to others...

    we get along, and i respect his beliefs, but i just think it is time for the human race to make a little progress, thats all. sex is not evil, pre-marital sex is not evil. it is completely natural. i am not an adulterer. end of story.

    the thing i find quite interesting about people of faith, especially christians, is that they are the first to cast the stone. they preach that non-believers are sinners that have a one way ticket to hell (short and sweet version). so i take the opportunity anytime i get to tell them they are full of shit. they usually get uppity and offended, meanwhile they tell me in the same breath i am going to hell (talk about offensive). i always find that hypocricy to be amusing.

    with that said, i still like mr know1, and i respect his right to believe, as long as he respects my right to tell him he is full of shit when he calles me a sinner. fair is fair :D
    I'm all for progress. I just don't think it's progress when we are not acting like we respect each other's views. In my interactions with know1, we've disagreed many times, but I don't recall him ever laughing at me. Maybe he is different with you. I felt he was being conscientious and well-intended in this thread for the most part.

    And because you believe differently than know1 about premarital sex, it's hardly been determined as absolute law that your opinion connotes progress from his. This is why all opinions are equal.

    I find hypocrisy to be amusing, too, especially when we take the "morally superior" role calling out someone else's "moral superiority" in the name of progress. You are right, though, calling another "full of it" is a right we should all reserve. :D
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    darkcrow wrote:
    gay rights groups have of course demanded action. and rightly so

    It's right to demand action? Ok, dance for me.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    farfromglorified wrote:
    It's right to demand action? Ok, dance for me.
    They can demand it, farfromglorified. Everyone knows that. To confuse that with being entitled to receive it may be a different story.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    angelica wrote:
    They can demand it, farfromglorified. Everyone knows that. To confuse that with being entitled to receive it may be a different story.

    Beautifully stated. Absoultely.

    Now.....somebody better dance for me.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    farfromglorified wrote:
    It's right to demand action? Ok, dance for me.


    you asked for it

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  • even flow?
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    farfromglorified wrote:

    Now.....somebody better dance for me.


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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,701
    Awesome.....

    DANCE, ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!1
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Awesome.....

    DANCE, ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!1
    *dances half-heartedly and inauthentically, representing the foolishness of inauthenticity*
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  • Abookamongstthemany
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    I don't mind dancing. Dancing feels good. :)
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Awesome.....

    DANCE, ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!1
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh, I know they think this way. I was just responding to the general theme in this thread, which seems to be "Why would anyone take offense to this remark?" To me, it's glaringly obvious why some would find it offensive.
    Okay.
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