I know its slightly off topic, but what it really says in the Bible is "thou shalt not murder" but in the context of war, killing is allowed.
But, that doesn't mean I support General Pace. Cause I don't.
How about this for off topic? When will the newly elected Democratic congress bring our troops home, as they promised before the election? This was a vote for change; so change already.
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oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
So what's the moral of the story, here, farfromglorified? Is it that you can demand we dance, and we all basically respond to your demands, each with our own personal agenda/slant?
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Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday he considers homosexuality to be immoral and the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly, the Chicago Tribune reported.
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Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral, the newspaper reported on its Web site.
"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way," Pace told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.
Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.
He said he supports the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell policy" in which gay men and women are allowed in the military as long as they keep their sexual orientation private. The policy, signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.
"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said.
The newspaper said Pace did not address concerns raised by a 2005 government audit that showed some 10,000 troops, including more than 50 specialists in Arabic, have been discharged because of the policy.
With Democrats in charge of Congress, Rep. Martin Meehan, D-Mass., has introduced legislation to reverse the military's ban on openly serving homosexuals.
I didn't read through this thread so I don't know or care what the conscensus among all of you is. I also read on the news that gay advocacy groups are calling for an apology from the General and when I read that my first response to it was: "Who the fuck are you that he needs to apologize to you?"
The man *believes* that homosexuality is immoral...so what? So do lots of people, myself not being one of them. But isn't the man entitled to his beliefs and values or is he only entitled to them if it pleases *you*?
Or is he entitled to his beliefs and values but just not allowed to let anyone hear them unlike *you* who are slightly more tolerant are?
This is what I now call "pulling a Rosie". The righteous indignation and intolerance for anything and anyone that does not bow unto them. Heaven forbid a body disagree with the sanctity man-on-man or woman-on-woman because it's nothing more than deep-seeded bigotry and hatred.
No, it's not. It's called a difference of opinion. And I'm already over it.
I didn't read through this thread so I don't know or care what the conscensus among all of you is. I also read on the news that gay advocacy groups are calling for an apology from the General and when I read that my first response to it was: "Who the fuck are you that he needs to apologize to you?"
The man *believes* that homosexuality is immoral...so what? So do lots of people, myself not being one of them. But isn't the man entitled to his beliefs and values or is he only entitled to them if it pleases *you*?
Or is he entitled to his beliefs and values but just not allowed to let anyone hear them unlike *you* who are slightly more tolerant are?
This is what I now call "pulling a Rosie". The righteous indignation and intolerance for anything and anyone that does not bow unto them. Heaven forbid a body disagree with the sanctity man-on-man or woman-on-woman because it's nothing more than deep-seeded bigotry and hatred.
No, it's not. It's called a difference of opinion. And I'm already over it.
Cool, I'm down with that.
I'm just curious where we draw the line?
Is it ok to say any of the following:
"Women should do dishes, laundry and raise the children."
"Jews are selfish money hoarders."
"Christians are cultists"
"Blacks are not humans"
?????? Is it ok for anyone to say that, or just politicians?
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"Women should do dishes, laundry and raise the children."
"Jews are selfish money hoarders."
"Christians are cultists"
"Blacks are not humans"
?????? Is it ok for anyone to say that, or just politicians?
I think there's definitely a line...a very thinly veiled one that a person can simply look at you the wrong way and suddenly they've crossed it....
But in the same vein everyone's got to have the same ability to believe in their God/s and His/Her teachings, have their own values systems and moral code without having the fear of being called "racists" or "bigots" or "homophobes".
I know that there are very real physical and cultural differences between blacks and whites. If I point them out then, dear God, I'm a racist....instead of really observant.
I know that someone can have a healthy religious upbringing where they believe, find comfort in and follow the teachings; but homosexuality is a *sin* to them therefore they are "haters" instead of believers.
the only thing that gets on my nerves about homosexuality is seeing two people kiss in public (making out versus showing PDA). but it also gets on my nerves when i see heterosexual people doing it. the general has the right to his opinion, though. it's not like he said, "God hates fags".
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"I don't know or care what the conscensus among all of you is"
So why should we give a rat's ass what you have to say?
I really don't know why you should give a rat's ass about anything or anyone else's opinion....and I don't know why you would have a rat's ass to give but that's wholly your business.
I really don't know why you should give a rat's ass about anything or anyone else's opinion....and I don't know why you would have a rat's ass to give but that's wholly your business.
I'm more inclined to be an independent thinker.
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How about this for off topic? When will the newly elected Democratic congress bring our troops home, as they promised before the election? This was a vote for change; so change already.
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Hey, now that looks fun!
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Aww man, I wanna go, too! We could come up with a routine to blow this one outta the water!
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aren't you a white man? and you're wanting to see dancing? i knew you were a homo...
The man *believes* that homosexuality is immoral...so what? So do lots of people, myself not being one of them. But isn't the man entitled to his beliefs and values or is he only entitled to them if it pleases *you*?
Or is he entitled to his beliefs and values but just not allowed to let anyone hear them unlike *you* who are slightly more tolerant are?
This is what I now call "pulling a Rosie". The righteous indignation and intolerance for anything and anyone that does not bow unto them. Heaven forbid a body disagree with the sanctity man-on-man or woman-on-woman because it's nothing more than deep-seeded bigotry and hatred.
No, it's not. It's called a difference of opinion. And I'm already over it.
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Cool, I'm down with that.
I'm just curious where we draw the line?
Is it ok to say any of the following:
"Women should do dishes, laundry and raise the children."
"Jews are selfish money hoarders."
"Christians are cultists"
"Blacks are not humans"
?????? Is it ok for anyone to say that, or just politicians?
:eek:
I've been outed!
Or not.
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"I don't know or care what the conscensus among all of you is"
So why should we give a rat's ass what you have to say?
But in the same vein everyone's got to have the same ability to believe in their God/s and His/Her teachings, have their own values systems and moral code without having the fear of being called "racists" or "bigots" or "homophobes".
I know that there are very real physical and cultural differences between blacks and whites. If I point them out then, dear God, I'm a racist....instead of really observant.
I know that someone can have a healthy religious upbringing where they believe, find comfort in and follow the teachings; but homosexuality is a *sin* to them therefore they are "haters" instead of believers.
These things truly do cut too many ways.
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I'm more inclined to be an independent thinker.
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