Iran is lying about its nuke program
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jlew24asu wrote:I disgree. I think the US greatly overestimated saddam. what they totally underestimated was the deep seeded hatred between shittes and sunnis.
as for the Iranians, I'd say you are right.
I never mentioned anything about the US and Saddam. My post meant the US will underestimate the Iranians just like Saddam underestimated them.0 -
The sad part is the warmongers don't care if the US wins or loses. They just need to spread chaos to fill their pockets. Any rational person will realise war with Iran is completely nonsensical.0
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NoK wrote:The sad part is the warmongers don't care if the US wins or loses. They just need to spread chaos to fill their pockets. Any rational person will realise war with Iran is completely nonsensical.
there is a difference between all out invasion/occupation/regime change then there is to bombing some nuclear facilities. and not wanting Iran to have nukes doesnt qualify one as a war monger.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:there is a difference between all out invasion/occupation/regime change then there is to bombing some nuclear facilities. and not wanting Iran to have nukes doesnt qualify one as a war monger.
Mate is it your hobby to misread my posts.. I am referring to the article than roland posted about the war with Iran being organised all along.. that my friend classifies them as war mongers..0 -
NoK wrote:Mate is it your hobby to misread my posts.. I am referring to the article than roland posted about the war with Iran being organised all along.. that my friend classifies them as war mongers..
yea I know. I was just making a statement because roland likes to classify anyone who opposes Iran having nukes as war mongers.0 -
Israel is widely believed to possess a substantial arsenal of nuclear weapons,[1] and maintains intercontinental-range ballistic missiles to deliver them. Officially Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing nuclear weapons. The U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment has recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared chemical warfare capabilities, and an offensive biological warfare program.[2]
[edit] Nuclear weapons
Main article: Nuclear weapons and Israel
The Israeli government refuses to officially confirm or deny whether it has a nuclear weapon program. It has an unofficial but rigidly enforced policy of deliberate ambiguity, saying only that it would not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East".[3] In the late 1960s, Israeli Ambassador Yitzhak Rabin informed the United States State Department, that its understanding of "introducing" such weapons meant that they would be tested and publicly declared, while merely possessing the weapons did not constitute "introducing" them.[4] Israel is widely believed to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the other three being India, Pakistan and North Korea.[5] The International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regards Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons.[6] In a December 2006 interview, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Iran aspires "to have a nuclear weapon as America, France, Israel and Russia."[7] Olmert's office later said that the quote was taken out of context; in other parts of the interview, Olmert refused to confirm or deny Israel's nuclear weapon status.[8]
The first public revelation of Israel's nuclear capability (as opposed to development program) came in the London based Sunday Times on October 5, 1986, which printed information provided by Mordechai Vanunu, formerly employed at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a facility located in the Negev desert south of Dimona. For publication of state secrets, he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage. Although there had been much speculation prior to Vanunu's revelations that the Dimona site was creating nuclear weapons, Vanunu's information indicated that Israel had also built thermonuclear weapons.[17]
In 1998, former Prime Minister Shimon Peres said that Israel "built a nuclear option, not in order to have a Hiroshima but an Oslo".[18]
A United States Defense Intelligence Agency report (leaked and published in the book Rumsfeld's War: The Untold Story of America's Anti-Terrorist Commander by journalist Rowan Scarborough in 2004) puts the number of weapons at 82. U.S. intelligence sources in the late 1990s estimated 75–130,[20]and 400 in the early 2000s according to some sources at the U.S air force intelligence[21] or even as early as the mid 1990s.[22]
On February 1, 2007, President Chirac of France commented on the Nuclear ambitions of Iran, hinting on possible nuclear countermeasures from Israel:
"Where will it drop it, this bomb? On Israel? It would not have gone 200 metres into the atmosphere before Tehran would be razed".[30]
There are speculations that a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona [2]. Professor Marcus Klingberg, deputy director of the institute, was sentenced in 1983 to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of the charge of being a Soviet spy. The government kept the matter secret for a decade, arguing it was a sensitive issue.[53]
190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas, was discovered in the cargo of El Al Flight 1862 after it crashed in 1992 en route to Tel Aviv. Israel insisted the material was non-toxic, was to have been used to test filters that protect against chemical weapons, and that it had been clearly listed on the cargo manifest in accordance with international regulations. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant to the IIBR under a U.S. Department of Commerce license.[54]
In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities.[2] Former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense responsible for chemical and biological defense, Bill Richardson, said in 1998 "I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time ... There's no doubt they've had stuff for years".[55]
In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having an undeclared offensive biological warfare program.
Delivery Systems
Missiles
Israel is known to have tested two versions of the Jericho missile system. The Jericho I with a range of 500km and the Jericho II with a range of 1,500km.
The Shavit rocket is used for inserting objects into a low earth orbit.
Third version of the Jericho missile is possible. Jericho III is thought to have been in service since mid-2005. With a payload of 1,000 - 1,300 kg it has a range of 4,800 km, or 7,800km with a payload of 350 kg (one Israeli nuclear warhead). This gives Israel, at least, nuclear strike capability against Africa, Europe, and most of Asia.
Popeye turbo cruise missile with a range of 1,500km.
Aircraft
Lockheed Martin F-16I Sufa ("Storm")
McDonnell Douglas/Boeing F-15 Eagle Baz 2000 (A/B/C/D/E)
Marine
Dolphin Class - Type 800 coastal submarines - "Nuclear capable", according to The Washington Post [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
now that that argument can be put to rest around here (even though i know some will compltely ignore the obvious and continue to argue their stubborn talking points)... i think the argument should not be about who has them... but why does anyone still have them and how can we reverse this insane race to exctinction... because that is what it is. so unless you are pushing for a full universal nuclear ban, then you are wasting your time in my opinion. our future generations agree0 -
Pretty in depth look at the possible outcomes of War with Iran.
"Considering a war with Iran, A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East"
http://www.rawstory.com/images/other/IranStudy082807a.pdfProgress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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jlew24asu wrote:yea I know. I was just making a statement because roland likes to classify anyone who opposes Iran having nukes as war mongers.
Hey buddy if you got something to say say it to me or else...oo oooo
lolProgress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:Hey buddy if you got something to say say it to me or else...oo oooo
lol
didnt you ask me how old I am for using the term owned. yet you constantly throw out LOL's :rolleyes: I'm almost 28. how old r u?0 -
my2hands wrote:Israel is widely believed to possess a substantial arsenal of nuclear weapons,[1] and maintains intercontinental-range ballistic missiles to deliver them. Officially Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing nuclear weapons. The U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment has recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared chemical warfare capabilities, and an offensive biological warfare program.[2]
[edit] Nuclear weapons
Main article: Nuclear weapons and Israel
The Israeli government refuses to officially confirm or deny whether it has a nuclear weapon program. It has an unofficial but rigidly enforced policy of deliberate ambiguity, saying only that it would not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East".[3] In the late 1960s, Israeli Ambassador Yitzhak Rabin informed the United States State Department, that its understanding of "introducing" such weapons meant that they would be tested and publicly declared, while merely possessing the weapons did not constitute "introducing" them.[4] Israel is widely believed to be one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the other three being India, Pakistan and North Korea.[5] The International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regards Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons.[6] In a December 2006 interview, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Iran aspires "to have a nuclear weapon as America, France, Israel and Russia."[7] Olmert's office later said that the quote was taken out of context; in other parts of the interview, Olmert refused to confirm or deny Israel's nuclear weapon status.[8]
The first public revelation of Israel's nuclear capability (as opposed to development program) came in the London based Sunday Times on October 5, 1986, which printed information provided by Mordechai Vanunu, formerly employed at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a facility located in the Negev desert south of Dimona. For publication of state secrets, he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage. Although there had been much speculation prior to Vanunu's revelations that the Dimona site was creating nuclear weapons, Vanunu's information indicated that Israel had also built thermonuclear weapons.[17]
In 1998, former Prime Minister Shimon Peres said that Israel "built a nuclear option, not in order to have a Hiroshima but an Oslo".[18]
A United States Defense Intelligence Agency report (leaked and published in the book Rumsfeld's War: The Untold Story of America's Anti-Terrorist Commander by journalist Rowan Scarborough in 2004) puts the number of weapons at 82. U.S. intelligence sources in the late 1990s estimated 75–130,[20]and 400 in the early 2000s according to some sources at the U.S air force intelligence[21] or even as early as the mid 1990s.[22]
On February 1, 2007, President Chirac of France commented on the Nuclear ambitions of Iran, hinting on possible nuclear countermeasures from Israel:
"Where will it drop it, this bomb? On Israel? It would not have gone 200 metres into the atmosphere before Tehran would be razed".[30]
There are speculations that a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona [2]. Professor Marcus Klingberg, deputy director of the institute, was sentenced in 1983 to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of the charge of being a Soviet spy. The government kept the matter secret for a decade, arguing it was a sensitive issue.[53]
190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas, was discovered in the cargo of El Al Flight 1862 after it crashed in 1992 en route to Tel Aviv. Israel insisted the material was non-toxic, was to have been used to test filters that protect against chemical weapons, and that it had been clearly listed on the cargo manifest in accordance with international regulations. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant to the IIBR under a U.S. Department of Commerce license.[54]
In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities.[2] Former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense responsible for chemical and biological defense, Bill Richardson, said in 1998 "I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time ... There's no doubt they've had stuff for years".[55]
In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having an undeclared offensive biological warfare program.
Delivery Systems
Missiles
Israel is known to have tested two versions of the Jericho missile system. The Jericho I with a range of 500km and the Jericho II with a range of 1,500km.
The Shavit rocket is used for inserting objects into a low earth orbit.
Third version of the Jericho missile is possible. Jericho III is thought to have been in service since mid-2005. With a payload of 1,000 - 1,300 kg it has a range of 4,800 km, or 7,800km with a payload of 350 kg (one Israeli nuclear warhead). This gives Israel, at least, nuclear strike capability against Africa, Europe, and most of Asia.
Popeye turbo cruise missile with a range of 1,500km.
Aircraft
Lockheed Martin F-16I Sufa ("Storm")
McDonnell Douglas/Boeing F-15 Eagle Baz 2000 (A/B/C/D/E)
Marine
Dolphin Class - Type 800 coastal submarines - "Nuclear capable", according to The Washington Post [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
now that that argument can be put to rest around here (even though i know some will compltely ignore the obvious and continue to argue their stubborn talking points)... i think the argument should not be about who has them... but why does anyone still have them and how can we reverse this insane race to exctinction... because that is what it is. so unless you are pushing for a full universal nuclear ban, then you are wasting your time in my opinion. our future generations agree
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well your wrong because they are not lying and that was just announced...so dont believe those news stories again.0
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forgotten_child wrote:well your wrong because they are not lying and that was just announced...so dont believe those news stories again.0
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jlew24asu wrote:didnt you ask me how old I am for using the term owned. yet you constantly throw out LOL's :rolleyes: I'm almost 28. how old r u?
You mean 27. I thought I knew a lot at that age too, so I can't really say I blame you.
Which somehow leads me to the question if I tickled your sphincter would you giggle, fart, or take a dump?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Clearly Pearl Jam is a magnet for fans with superior knowledge and intellect.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0
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Ahnimus wrote:Clearly Pearl Jam is a magnet for fans with superior knowledge and intellect.
indubitably.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say0 -
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:You mean 27. I thought I knew a lot at that age too, so I can't really say I blame you.
Which somehow leads me to the question if I tickled your sphincter would you giggle, fart, or take a dump?
so you are that 30 something guy still living with his parents?
and how does that lead you to that question? into the strap-on huh?sorry, not my thing.
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jlew24asu wrote:so you are that 30 something guy still living with his parents?
and how does that lead you to that question? into the strap-on huh?sorry, not my thing.
Oh my god, it's a fecular endless loop with you sometimes. I own my own house since 1996, and my parents are no longer living.
And to answer the question you would in fact take a dump.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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