Iran is lying about its nuke program

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

Since you duck the question by saying you don't understand English jlew.


If Iran with the Shah in power had nuke plants given by the US and then lthe shah had to leave the country what would be any different? Your country was willing to cough up the technology back then. Like I said, if you can't see the big picture you like to try to belittle people. Why? I don't know. Anyway try commenting on the part about the US willing to chirp up the technology when they have the right person in power and how that is right. I am sure you are not stupid enough to not understand what I just typed. Then again...........

Edit: as much as I hate citing this place....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

Have a gander at the first line my American friend.

ok lets see here

almost 60 years ago (long time ago) the US helped a friend create a nuke program.

fast forward 60 long years and an Islamic revolution later, the US, and the world, doesnt want them to have it.

where is the problem. they are different times and different people. again, you make no sense.

NCfan

NoK wrote:

You need to get your facts straight. First of all Hizb-Allah is made up of two ideologies one which is more influenced by the Syrians and one which is more influenced by the Iranians. In the end they all follow their leader Nasrallah.

If anything it is more the Syrians that control Hizb-Allah than the other way around. (which are exactly the political problems going on in Lebanon right now).

Iranians did not create Hizb-Allah.. it was created as a resistance movement during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1983.

And trust me when the Israelis tried to invade last summer they didnt hide behind any women or children. You should go ask some IDF soldiers of their opinions of Hizb-Allah fighters. You will surprised to know they actually respected those who fought against them on land during the summer war.

What facts do I have wrong, specifically? Though it formed during the Lebonese civil war, the Iranians did, in fact, create hezbollah. Please provide any evidence to the contrary. Iran is the main supporter of Hezbollah with money, weapons and training. Please provide any evidence to the contrary.

There is a difference between respecting an enemy who is capable of killing you, and despising them for the tactics they use. The Americans respected Nazi soldiers, but does that mean their ideologies and government was legitimate, no.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

ok lets see here

almost 60 years ago (long time ago) the US helped a friend create a nuke program.

fast forward 60 long years and an Islamic revolution later, the US, and the world, doesnt want them to have it.

where is the problem. they are different times and different people. again, you make no sense.

You gave me an answer, I obviously make sense.


And I know you know the point is that your government dosen't mind giving the technology away when they deem appropriate to whoever. You seem to play stupid to believing this as truth. There wouldn't be too many problems if there wasn't a need to create a mess so the military could go and fix it.

Restless Soul

jlew24asu wrote:

surprised it took so long to pop in with this bullshit.

Truth hurts, right? lol

NCfan

even flow? wrote:

You gave me an answer, I obviously make sense.


And I know you know the point is that your government dosen't mind giving the technology away when they deem appropriate to whoever. You seem to play stupid to believing this as truth. There wouldn't be too many problems if there wasn't a need to create a mess so the military could go and fix it.

The truth is that different leaders make different decisions in different eras. Your arguement lacks historical perspective. Your attempt to damn the US government today for decisions it made 50 years ago is about as irresponsible as tyring to slander Angela Merckel's regime becuase Hitler commited atrocities against the Jews 60 years ago.

NCfan

Restless Soul wrote:

Truth hurts, right? lol

Your ignorance is sad.

even flow?

NCfan wrote:

The truth is that different leaders make different decisions in different eras. Your arguement lacks historical perspective. Your attempt to damn the US government today for decisions it made 50 years ago is about as irresponsible as tyring to slander Angela Merckel's regime becuase Hitler commited atrocities against the Jews 60 years ago.

The truth is that the States will give to whoever and that helps to endanger the neighbours of said countries. Bottom line!

But you are right in a way. I didn't do anything to any races yet have to hear about all the time. So to say the past is irrelevant is petty at least.

NCfan

even flow? wrote:

The truth is that the States will give to whoever and that helps to endanger the neighbours of said countries. Bottom line!

But you are right in a way. I didn't do anything to any races yet have to hear about all the time. So to say the past is irrelevant is petty at least.

No, the States don't just give nuclear technology to "whoever". If that were true, why would we have a problem with Iran, North Korea, Syria? You jus can't say that we give aid to countries and that "endangers their neighbors". Please explain. I see Eygpt, Lebanon, Israel, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan all getting aid, and the list goes on and on and on. I'm pretty sure those countries appreciate getting money from the US. What do you think?

I don't get what you mean "you haven't done anything to any races", where are you going with that?

NoK

NCfan wrote:

What facts do I have wrong, specifically? Though it formed during the Lebonese civil war, the Iranians did, in fact, create hezbollah. Please provide any evidence to the contrary. Iran is the main supporter of Hezbollah with money, weapons and training. Please provide any evidence to the contrary.

There is a difference between respecting an enemy who is capable of killing you, and despising them for the tactics they use. The Americans respected Nazi soldiers, but does that mean their ideologies and government was legitimate, no.

The fact is i've lived in the country for 6 years and my mother is from Lebanon originally. I do not need to provide evidence to the contrary of your opinions because I actually know the REALITY of the situation. You provide me with information that supports your opinions.

Iran, now, is believed to be the main supporter of Hizb-Allah but that is not something I disagreed with. I explained to you the whole Syrian/Iranian control over Hizb-Allah and that is one of the points you were wrong with.

And no that is not the type of respect the IDF soldiers were giving the Hizb-Allah fighters. It was more as to how bravely they actually fought being outnumbered, with less weaponry and surrounded at the time. Point is you will always be biased because of the bullshit you read everyday even though the statistics of the war clearly showed Hizb-Allah killed a ratio of 2:1 Israeli soldiers to civilians while Israel killed a ratio of 3:1 civilians with respect to Hizb-Allah fighters.

Edit: And to add on this, there is a big difference between created by and created with the help of. Hizb-Allah was created by the Lebanese Shi'ites as a resistance movement against the Israeli invasion (but hey its Israel they are allowed to invade). The Lebanese Shi'ites were aided by followers of the Iranian clergy.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

if Iran was truthful about its program then the US and the world would have no problem with them. but instead your buddy decides to lie, and if it continues, he will be dealt with severely.

Meanwhile, Israel continues to lie and decieve about it's nuclear program. Where's all the fuss about that? I can't hear it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

It's just jlews genius shining through again , funny how so many somehow cannot comprehend how it is.

It must be great to look down at everything from such a lofty perch.

Such a shame platform shoes went out of style a while back.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Meanwhile, Israel continues to lie and decieve about it's nuclear program. Where's all the fuss about that? I can't hear it.

wow you just make shit up as you go along or what? Israel is lying about its nuke program? since when?

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's just jlews genius shining through again , funny how so many somehow cannot comprehend how it is.

It must be great to look down at everything from such a lofty perch.

Such a shame platform shoes went out of style a while back.

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

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lol...you've never have owned me once. Don't feel bad... being right about things, or possessing a sense of humor is not for everyone.

Each person is special in their own way. Find solace in that.

catefrances

jlew24asu wrote:

wow you just make shit up as you go along or what? Israel is lying about its nuke program? since when?

since kennedy was president.

Commy

I havent' read any of this thread.


BUT.


If I were Iran I would be pusuing every possible venue possible to get Nukes. Its a very effective way to deter the worlds superpower from taking over your counrty, and one of the few, if only.


IE US FOREIGN POLICY IS ENCOURAGING NATIONS TO PURSUE DEVELOPMENT OF WMDS.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Interesting article.

"When US President Bush declared in October 2007 that if Iran acquired the knowledge to produce nuclear weapons, we would be plunged into World War III, he was not joking or even exaggerating: he was making his intentions clear. In the same month, Vice-President Dick Cheney repeated the threat that the US would not ‘stand by’ as Iran allegedly pursued a nuclear weapons programme. If the present war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine spreads to Iran, we will indeed have World War III. We have long had circumstantial evidence that the Bush regime was building up to an attack on Iran: the constant allegations (denied by Mohamed El Baradei, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA]) that it was pursuing a nuclear weapons programme, charges (denied by the Iraqi government) that it was sending arms and fighters into Iraq, a US military build-up clearly directed against Iran, the designation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran as a terrorist organisation and imposition of sweeping sanctions against Iran.[2] But it has now been revealed by two former high-ranking policy experts from the US National Security Council that war against Iran was planned all along, and nothing that Iran offered to do — including giving up its uranium enrichment programme — could have made a difference.[3]"

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/averting-world-war-iii-ending-dollar-hegemony-and-us-imperialism/

[3] http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107

Money talks.

jlew24asu

Commy wrote:

I havent' read any of this thread.


BUT.


If I were Iran I would be pusuing every possible venue possible to get Nukes. Its a very effective way to deter the worlds superpower from taking over your counrty, and one of the few, if only.

in turn you would be encouraging countries to attack you. great plan

Commy wrote:

IE US FOREIGN POLICY IS ENCOURAGING NATIONS TO PURSUE DEVELOPMENT OF WMDS.

this is unfortunately true.

NoK

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Interesting article.

"When US President Bush declared in October 2007 that if Iran acquired the knowledge to produce nuclear weapons, we would be plunged into World War III, he was not joking or even exaggerating: he was making his intentions clear. In the same month, Vice-President Dick Cheney repeated the threat that the US would not ‘stand by’ as Iran allegedly pursued a nuclear weapons programme. If the present war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine spreads to Iran, we will indeed have World War III. We have long had circumstantial evidence that the Bush regime was building up to an attack on Iran: the constant allegations (denied by Mohamed El Baradei, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA]) that it was pursuing a nuclear weapons programme, charges (denied by the Iraqi government) that it was sending arms and fighters into Iraq, a US military build-up clearly directed against Iran, the designation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran as a terrorist organisation and imposition of sweeping sanctions against Iran.[2] But it has now been revealed by two former high-ranking policy experts from the US National Security Council that war against Iran was planned all along, and nothing that Iran offered to do — including giving up its uranium enrichment programme — could have made a difference.[3]"

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/averting-world-war-iii-ending-dollar-hegemony-and-us-imperialism/

[3] http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107

Money talks.

Biggest mistake the US will ever make, underestimating the Iranians just like Saddam. During the Iraqi/Iranian war there were 13/14 year old Iranian boys who were running to enlist, to get any type of weapon to go fight and die for their country. Their ideology and nationalism is like no other.

jlew24asu

NoK wrote:

Biggest mistake the US will ever make, underestimating the Iranians just like Saddam. During the Iraqi/Iranian war there were 13/14 year old Iranian boys who were running to enlist, to get any type of weapon to go fight and die for their country. Their ideology and nationalism is like no other.

I disgree. I think the US greatly overestimated saddam. what they totally underestimated was the deep seeded hatred between shittes and sunnis.

as for the Iranians, I'd say you are right.