Question on Flight 93
ledvedderman
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I know this is another 9/11 type question that doesn't add up, but first I will explain. I used to be on the far extreme in thinking that the US was behind the attacks on Sept. 11th, but I think I have come to a general understanding that I believe they knew it was coming soon and decided to look away to justify the wars. There are still a lot of questions left unaswered that should be looked at. Now, I will move on to the topic.
It is basic information that no plane, or remains of a plane, were found outside of Shanksville, PA. Even the mayor has admitted that no plane was found. I think the logical thing to think is that if there wasn't a plane than the US decided to shoot the plane down.
I can understand why this was possibly something to keep from the public. The day was dramatic enough without even having to think that the government had to shoot down a highjacked plane.
If this is the case, I don't understand the whole "Let's Roll" propaganda that came out after the crash. It reminds me a lot of how Pat Tillman was used for support for the war, when in fact friendly fire brough him down. Don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for Tillman, and the passengers of Flight 93.
So my questions to you are:
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")
Just curious, I am trying to keep this seperate from the conspiracy theories.
It is basic information that no plane, or remains of a plane, were found outside of Shanksville, PA. Even the mayor has admitted that no plane was found. I think the logical thing to think is that if there wasn't a plane than the US decided to shoot the plane down.
I can understand why this was possibly something to keep from the public. The day was dramatic enough without even having to think that the government had to shoot down a highjacked plane.
If this is the case, I don't understand the whole "Let's Roll" propaganda that came out after the crash. It reminds me a lot of how Pat Tillman was used for support for the war, when in fact friendly fire brough him down. Don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for Tillman, and the passengers of Flight 93.
So my questions to you are:
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")
Just curious, I am trying to keep this seperate from the conspiracy theories.
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ledvedderman wrote:I know this is another 9/11 type question that doesn't add up, but first I will explain. I used to be on the far extreme in thinking that the US was behind the attacks on Sept. 11th, but I think I have come to a general understanding that I believe they knew it was coming soon and decided to look away to justify the wars. There are still a lot of questions left unaswered that should be looked at. Now, I will move on to the topic.
It is basic information that no plane, or remains of a plane, were found outside of Shanksville, PA. Even the mayor has admitted that no plane was found. I think the logical thing to think is that if there wasn't a plane than the US decided to shoot the plane down.
I can understand why this was possibly something to keep from the public. The day was dramatic enough without even having to think that the government had to shoot down a highjacked plane.
If this is the case, I don't understand the whole "Let's Roll" propaganda that came out after the crash. It reminds me a lot of how Pat Tillman was used for support for the war, when in fact friendly fire brough him down. Don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for Tillman, and the passengers of Flight 93.
So my questions to you are:
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll"?
Just curious, I am trying to keep this seperate from the conspiracy theories.
Please show me this "basic information" or, as I call it, complete nonsense, that there was no plane or remains of a plane found there.0 -
ledvedderman wrote:
Ok. So in your deranged world, thewebfairy.com is the source of "basic information." Great!0 -
jsand wrote:Ok. So in your deranged world, thewebfairy.com is the source of "basic information." Great!
Did you even click on the link? If you had, you would see that the article is from the American Free Press. I can post a couple other sources that might well fit your taste.
It's because of stupid shit like this that the Train gets closed down for a week. If you don't agree with something, you just resort to personal attacks. Who are you? Dick Cheney?0 -
ledvedderman wrote:Did you even click on the link? If you had, you would see that the article is from the American Free Press. I can post a couple other sources that might well fit your taste.
It's because of stupid shit like this that the Train gets closed down for a week. If you don't agree with something, you just resort to personal attacks. Who are you? Dick Cheney?
According to the "logic" you have displayed in your 9/11 conspiracy theories, sure, I'm Dick Cheney.0 -
So my logic of thinking when the mayor of Shanksville, where Flight 93 allegedly went down, says there was no plane to maybe give it some thought is askew? Why would this man make it up? If I were him I would go with the Flight 93 theory and think of the tourism that would benefit his town. He had nothing to gain by saying there was no plane0
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I do think that Flight 93 was shot down... and while it is scary that our military shot down a civilian plane, it was justified in my opinion. There was debris found 8 miles away, and there are several accounts of an explosion-type sound before the plane crashed.
Maybe the Let's Roll story is true, and it just happend around the same time as the plane was shot down... i would like to think that if the passengers knew about the other crashes that they would attempt to do something.
Anyway, if the plane was shot down, I don't fault the government for doing it, or covering it up... at that moment, when three targets were already hit, and there were still un-accounted for aircraft, the fear of this and several other planes taking out other targets would justify the action. Also, they could NEVER admit that they did this...My whole life
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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its hard to reason with someone who hates america.
the plane was never found becuase of the speed it hit the ground. the plane was travelling at 580mph. most of the plane was reduced to very tiny metal fragments buried in the dirt. anything else vaporized by the speed and heat of the impact. the flight recorder was found 25 ft below the ground. many other fragments were found according to the 9/11 commission.
the phrase "lets roll" is recorded on tape and is a proven fact that the people on board that flight prevented the flight from hitting its target0 -
blackredyellow wrote:I do think that Flight 93 was shot down... and while it is scary that our military shot down a civilian plane, it was justified in my opinion. There was debris found 8 miles away, and there are several accounts of an explosion-type sound before the plane crashed.
Maybe the Let's Roll story is true, and it just happend around the same time as the plane was shot down... i would like to think that if the passengers knew about the other crashes that they would attempt to do something.
Anyway, if the plane was shot down, I don't fault the government for doing it, or covering it up... at that moment, when three targets were already hit, and there were still un-accounted for aircraft, the fear of this and several other planes taking out other targets would justify the action. Also, they could NEVER admit that they did this...
Thanks for answering the question man, I agree with you 100%. You cannot fault the government if they had shot the plane down. The fact that a plane was trailing it and around the crash site with in a minute of it's crash makes you think it was shot down. I too would like to believe the "let's roll". I would like to think that our government wouldn't try to capitalize on it.
Great response though man, thanks0 -
I feel the plane was shoot down. They would never tell us if they did. Why would tell us? They would want us to know that they killed a bunch of people. Just another lie from our loyal, faithful govenerment.I'll be back0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpRGLrkIsw
That is what happens when a plane crashes nose-first (or almost nose-first) into something solid like the Pentagon reenforced concrete walls or the earth. Most plane crashes we see are the result of the people flying the planes trying to make some kind of landing at a low speed, which is why those crashes end up with large peices everywhere.0 -
Nothingman54 wrote:I feel the plane was shoot down. They would never tell us if they did. Why would tell us? They would want us to know that they killed a bunch of people. Just another lie from our loyal, faithful govenerment.
Leftist lunacy at its best. If the US government did shoot the plane down (which there is no evidence of whatsoever), you would blame the deaths of the people on board on the government, not the terrorist assholes who were trying to crash the plane into the White House.
Disgusting.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:its hard to reason with someone who hates america.
the plane was never found becuase of the speed it hit the ground. the plane was travelling at 580mph. most of the plane was reduced to very tiny metal fragments buried in the dirt. anything else vaporized by the speed and heat of the impact. the flight recorder was found 25 ft below the ground. many other fragments were found according to the 9/11 commission.
the phrase "lets roll" is recorded on tape and is a proven fact that the people on board that flight prevented the flight from hitting its target
Jesus Christ man, did you just say I hate America? I love and believe in the freedoms this country has to offer more than any of you could possibly know. That is why when something looks screwy I look into it, but I hate America? I devote my time to countless committees to better my community, am well respected in the Central Illinois area for my work with the Democratic party and have had the pleasure to help some of the best our government has to offer. Durbin, Obama, Rep. Evans. To say that I hate America is way out of line.0 -
jsand wrote:Leftist lunacy at its best. If the US government did shoot the plane down (which there is no evidence of whatsoever), you would blame the deaths of the people on board on the government, not the terrorist assholes who were trying to crash the plane into the White House.
Disgusting.
So far all I have read is that people wouldn't mind had the government shot it down. I think, sadly, that it is better to lose the 45+ on board than the hundred that could have died were they allowed to hit their target.
If it was shot down, they would never admit to it, and I understand that.0 -
jsand wrote:Remember, I'm Dick Cheney.
The only reason I said you were Dick Cheney is they way you resorted to personal attacks, I'm sure your heart isn't black like his. You do seem to have a hard head, but that could come in handy too0 -
jsand wrote:Leftist lunacy at its best. If the US government did shoot the plane down (which there is no evidence of whatsoever), you would blame the deaths of the people on board on the government, not the terrorist assholes who were trying to crash the plane into the White House.
Disgusting.
I know there is no evidence its just MY OPINION. Its the terrorist fault all the way. But if the government did or was to shoot down a plane do you think its justified? Maybe you should ask more questions about peoples views before you make comments like "disgusting".I'll be back0
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