I too believe it was shot down, what choice did they have? As said earlier maybe the passengers did fight back and they were shot down anyway. It's sad to think about it. One of the toughest decisions made that day, and one of the toughest missions the fighter pilot will ever have to do.
Stix and Stones may break my bones, but More than Words will never hurt me.
did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious
2 different lies. 1 has to do with peoples lives and the other has to do with somebody sleeping with someone. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT. So dont try to. No I didnt beleive him when he said he didnt have sex with her
did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious
I can answer this... "NO"
I have a hard time believing any administration, especially the Bush one which has lied and mis-represented the "facts" outright with no reguard or remorse. At least when Clinton blatenly got caught in a lie, he admitted to it. I have very little respect for lying politicians anyway, but I have a little more for ones that at least admit it when they get caught.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
its disgusting because people who hate bush want everyone to believe his government lied and covered it up.
yes, b/c the government <espcially key ppl in this administration> have never lied to us in the past, right?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious
no, it was obvious by the pause between 'that woman' and 'ms lewinski'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I have a hard time believing any administration, especially the Bush one which has lied and mis-represented the "facts" outright with no reguard or remorse. At least when Clinton blatenly got caught in a lie, he admitted to it. I have very little respect for lying politicians anyway, but I have a little more for ones that at least admit it when they get caught.
did you believe Clinton when he said he didnt have sexual relations with that woman? im just curious
No, and I am a big Clinton supporter. He shouldn't have lied. However, these lies are totally different. Like someone else said, this administration is so secretive and so dishonest that it is hard to literally believe anything they say.
So back to the main topic of this post...
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")
My answers
1- Yes
2- No, I wouldn't fault them at all. It's a tough decision to make, but the loss of life had that hit DC would have been too large to risk. I also believe that the passengers were going to fight the highjackers but didn't have enough time, I still don't know how it is to gain political gain though on the death of those citizens.
he's still a little mad b/c i shot him down in the 'we give medals for killing civilians??' thread
You didn't "shoot me down"...that comparison is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. Only in the eyes of a certifiable leftist or Islamist could that comparison ring true.
First and foremost, the mayor didn't "admit" that there was no plane found. The mayor (along with many others) simply said there was not much debris at the crash site. This is not unusual, particularly when a plane crashes at top speed into the ground. However, much debris was recovered from the imapct crater which would not likely exist in the first place if the plane was "shot down".
The problem with the "shot down" theory is that debris would have been found largely behind the plane's trajectory, rather than in front of it. That was not the case in this event.
Finally, while I can get on board with the concept that the overall "let's roll" story certainly could have been manufactured as a cover up of a shoot-down or some similar event, I completely reject the claims that the government would have had to cover up a shoot-down in the first place. Few people would have protested such an action following the events of that morning.
You didn't "shoot me down"...that comparison is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. Only in the eyes of a certifiable leftist or Islamist could that comparison ring true.
how so? your reply in it made no points, it took away nothing from the original post
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
2 different lies. 1 has to do with peoples lives and the other has to do with somebody sleeping with someone. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT. So dont try to. No I didnt beleive him when he said he didnt have sex with her
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
while i never voted for clinton he did spend more money pre9/11 on finding and killing bin laden...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
because we al know that you can't have a sex life and a job at the same time. :rolleyes:
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
I would rather have a President getting blow jobs while dealing with National Security, it will clear your head and allow you think clearer. I say all Presidents should get blow jobs when in office...get ready Laura
2 different lies. 1 has to do with peoples lives and the other has to do with somebody sleeping with someone. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT. So dont try to. No I didnt beleive him when he said he didnt have sex with her
relax it was just a question. like i said, i was just curious
because we al know that you can't have a sex life and a job at the same time. :rolleyes:
Well, when that sex life puts your administion at risk, it kind of makes the focus on keeping yourself in the White House, as opposed to focusing on national security needs.
Well, when that sex life puts your administion at risk, it kind of makes the focus on keeping yourself in the White House, as opposed to focusing on national security needs.
Obviously the Bush Administration was focusing on the security needs of this country when they didn't have any meetings with Richard Clarke even after the 8/6/01 memo came out stating that Bin Laden was determined to attack the US using airplanes.
No, and I am a big Clinton supporter. He shouldn't have lied. However, these lies are totally different. Like someone else said, this administration is so secretive and so dishonest that it is hard to literally believe anything they say.
So back to the main topic of this post...
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")
My answers
1- Yes
2- No, I wouldn't fault them at all. It's a tough decision to make, but the loss of life had that hit DC would have been too large to risk. I also believe that the passengers were going to fight the highjackers but didn't have enough time, I still don't know how it is to gain political gain though on the death of those citizens.
your answer to number 1 is totally based on opinon that the government lied. which is what you want to believe. there is no proof it was shot down. so be it.
I would rather have a President getting blow jobs while dealing with National Security, it will clear your head and allow you think clearer. I say all Presidents should get blow jobs when in office...get ready Laura
I can see your poor attempt at humor. but its not funny. Clinton spent too much time with meetings on damage control then dealing with the growing threat to the United States
Well, when that sex life puts your administion at risk, it kind of makes the focus on keeping yourself in the White House, as opposed to focusing on national security needs.
C'mon, you can't believe that... do you really think that Clinton, the NSA, CIA, FBI, defense department, etc. really cared about his sex life or his impeachment to the point where they weren't focused on national security. I would think that the only people that really spent much time worrying about it were the white house council that was spending thier time dealing with the Starr mess.
If Bush/Cheney can go to hundreds of fundraising events every year, and spend more time away from washington then the past few presidents combined, and still be so focused on national security like they claim, staying focused even if getting an occasional blow job isn't out of a question.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I can see your poor attempt at humor. but its not funny. Clinton spent too much time with meetings on damage control then dealing with the growing threat to the United States
And Bush didn't spend too much time on vacation to meet with Richard Clarke?
C'mon, you can't believe that... do you really think that Clinton, the NSA, CIA, FBI, defense department, etc. really cared about his sex life or his impeachment to the point where they weren't focused on national security. I would think that the only people that really spent much time worrying about it were the white house council that was spending thier time dealing with the Starr mess.
If Bush/Cheney can go to hundreds of fundraising events every year, and spend more time away from washington then the past few presidents combined, and still be so focused on national security like they claim, staying focused even if getting an occasional blow job isn't out of a question.
yes absoulutely. many people's jobs depend on if clinton stayed in office or not. this was definately a distraction.
Obviously the Bush Administration was focusing on the security needs of this country when they didn't have any meetings with Richard Clarke even after the 8/6/01 memo came out stating that Bin Laden was determined to attack the US using airplanes.
or when an FBI budget official told the Joint Inquiry that counterterrorism was not a priority for Attorney General Ashcroft before September 11, and the FBI faced pressure to make cuts in counterterrorism to satisfy his other priorities.
or when FBI officials sought to add hundreds more counterintelligence agents, they got shot down even as Ashcroft began, quietly, to take a privately chartered jet for his own security reasons.”
or the White House plan to sharply cut an emergency F.B.I. request for $1.5 billion in extra counterterrorism money after the attacks.
or in the months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly classified program called "Catcher's Mitt" to monitor Al Qaeda suspects in the United States
or official annual budget goals memo mentions 7 strategic goals, not one is related to anti terror efforts. The same document by Janet Reno the previous year was delivered a month earlier and put counter terrorism as one of two top priorities
or upon taking office, the 2002 Bush budget proposed to slash more than half a billion dollars out of funding for counterterrorism at the Justice Department. In preparing the 2003 budget, the New York Times reported that the Bush White House "did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators" and "proposed a $65 million cut for the program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants." Newsweek noted the Administration "vetoed a request to divert $800 million from missile defense into counterterrorism
or when the Bush Administration opposed Clinton Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center
or when Gen. Don Kerrick, who served in the Bush White House, sent a memo to the new Administration saying "We are going to be struck again" by al Qaeda, but he never heard back. He said terrorism was not "above the waterline. They were gambling nothing would happen
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Why the hell did Clinton get brought up in a thread debating a Flight 93 crash or it being shot down, and a possible cover-up?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
that memo you talk about a month before the attacks. there is no way for any administration to find and stop it that fast.
how about the stuff above this post i quoted?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, when that sex life puts your administion at risk, it kind of makes the focus on keeping yourself in the White House, as opposed to focusing on national security needs.
How the fuck can a blowjob put your administration at risk?
no one, even me, expected such an attack. and I think clinton and bush (upon taking office) under estimated the resolve of our enemys. you (not you personally) cant complain about how much we spend on defence and then bitch about making cuts in relative peaceful times.
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2 different lies. 1 has to do with peoples lives and the other has to do with somebody sleeping with someone. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT. So dont try to. No I didnt beleive him when he said he didnt have sex with her
I can answer this... "NO"
I have a hard time believing any administration, especially the Bush one which has lied and mis-represented the "facts" outright with no reguard or remorse. At least when Clinton blatenly got caught in a lie, he admitted to it. I have very little respect for lying politicians anyway, but I have a little more for ones that at least admit it when they get caught.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
yes, b/c the government <espcially key ppl in this administration> have never lied to us in the past, right?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, it was obvious by the pause between 'that woman' and 'ms lewinski'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I agree
No, and I am a big Clinton supporter. He shouldn't have lied. However, these lies are totally different. Like someone else said, this administration is so secretive and so dishonest that it is hard to literally believe anything they say.
So back to the main topic of this post...
1- Do you believe Flight 93 was shot down?
2- Would you fault the government for shooting the plane down? (then covering it up and playing the political drum to the "let's roll")
My answers
1- Yes
2- No, I wouldn't fault them at all. It's a tough decision to make, but the loss of life had that hit DC would have been too large to risk. I also believe that the passengers were going to fight the highjackers but didn't have enough time, I still don't know how it is to gain political gain though on the death of those citizens.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
You didn't "shoot me down"...that comparison is so weak, it doesn't deserve a response. Only in the eyes of a certifiable leftist or Islamist could that comparison ring true.
These are photos from the response team:
CRATER 1, CRATER 2, ENGINE
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/slideshow?a=67b0de21b3221da42540&sid=2AZNWrNq0ZMXNw&auto=0&m=1&d=1158161844712
The problem with the "shot down" theory is that debris would have been found largely behind the plane's trajectory, rather than in front of it. That was not the case in this event.
Finally, while I can get on board with the concept that the overall "let's roll" story certainly could have been manufactured as a cover up of a shoot-down or some similar event, I completely reject the claims that the government would have had to cover up a shoot-down in the first place. Few people would have protested such an action following the events of that morning.
how so? your reply in it made no points, it took away nothing from the original post
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Perhaps if Clinton spent less time with Monica and more time on national security, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. So, Clinton's lie did have something to do with people's lives.
while i never voted for clinton he did spend more money pre9/11 on finding and killing bin laden...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
because we al know that you can't have a sex life and a job at the same time. :rolleyes:
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I would rather have a President getting blow jobs while dealing with National Security, it will clear your head and allow you think clearer. I say all Presidents should get blow jobs when in office...get ready Laura
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
relax it was just a question. like i said, i was just curious
Well, when that sex life puts your administion at risk, it kind of makes the focus on keeping yourself in the White House, as opposed to focusing on national security needs.
Obviously the Bush Administration was focusing on the security needs of this country when they didn't have any meetings with Richard Clarke even after the 8/6/01 memo came out stating that Bin Laden was determined to attack the US using airplanes.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
your answer to number 1 is totally based on opinon that the government lied. which is what you want to believe. there is no proof it was shot down. so be it.
me.
1. no.
2. no.
I can see your poor attempt at humor. but its not funny. Clinton spent too much time with meetings on damage control then dealing with the growing threat to the United States
C'mon, you can't believe that... do you really think that Clinton, the NSA, CIA, FBI, defense department, etc. really cared about his sex life or his impeachment to the point where they weren't focused on national security. I would think that the only people that really spent much time worrying about it were the white house council that was spending thier time dealing with the Starr mess.
If Bush/Cheney can go to hundreds of fundraising events every year, and spend more time away from washington then the past few presidents combined, and still be so focused on national security like they claim, staying focused even if getting an occasional blow job isn't out of a question.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
And Bush didn't spend too much time on vacation to meet with Richard Clarke?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
yes absoulutely. many people's jobs depend on if clinton stayed in office or not. this was definately a distraction.
or when an FBI budget official told the Joint Inquiry that counterterrorism was not a priority for Attorney General Ashcroft before September 11, and the FBI faced pressure to make cuts in counterterrorism to satisfy his other priorities.
or when FBI officials sought to add hundreds more counterintelligence agents, they got shot down even as Ashcroft began, quietly, to take a privately chartered jet for his own security reasons.”
or the White House plan to sharply cut an emergency F.B.I. request for $1.5 billion in extra counterterrorism money after the attacks.
or in the months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly classified program called "Catcher's Mitt" to monitor Al Qaeda suspects in the United States
or official annual budget goals memo mentions 7 strategic goals, not one is related to anti terror efforts. The same document by Janet Reno the previous year was delivered a month earlier and put counter terrorism as one of two top priorities
or upon taking office, the 2002 Bush budget proposed to slash more than half a billion dollars out of funding for counterterrorism at the Justice Department. In preparing the 2003 budget, the New York Times reported that the Bush White House "did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators" and "proposed a $65 million cut for the program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants." Newsweek noted the Administration "vetoed a request to divert $800 million from missile defense into counterterrorism
or when the Bush Administration opposed Clinton Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center
or when Gen. Don Kerrick, who served in the Bush White House, sent a memo to the new Administration saying "We are going to be struck again" by al Qaeda, but he never heard back. He said terrorism was not "above the waterline. They were gambling nothing would happen
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
that memo you talk about a month before the attacks. there is no way for any administration to find and stop it that fast.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
how about the stuff above this post i quoted?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
How the fuck can a blowjob put your administration at risk?
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no one, even me, expected such an attack. and I think clinton and bush (upon taking office) under estimated the resolve of our enemys. you (not you personally) cant complain about how much we spend on defence and then bitch about making cuts in relative peaceful times.