What do these VP picks really tell us?

hailhailkc
hailhailkc Posts: 582
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
Obama rants about change and hope...and yet selects a VP candidate that has been in the system forever and whom supported the Iraq war.

McCain talks about Obama's lack of experience...and yet selects a VP candidate who hardly has any experience herself.

What this tells us is that both of these men are liars, crooks, thieves and...quite frankly...men of a political system which is, and has been, failing us for quite a long time.

I'm voting third party this time. Even Nader would be a better selection than either one of these douchebags.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    It tells us that Republican women are WAY hotter than Democrats...at least those with a chance at real power. ;)

    Calm down my friend, sure politics are involved, but no reason to throw the baby out with th bath water...

    He're the good thing...no matter which side wins, based on the ticket, some real changes shoudl occur...if they don't, it'll make for 1 hell of an election next time...it's a slow process for sure, but I'm actually encouraged to some degree here.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Even Nader would be a better selection than either one of these douchebags.


    By the way, that's total bullshit...and you know it...don't be brainwashed here.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    next week people will suddenly remember VP's are dont really matter in elections.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    MrSmith wrote:
    next week people will suddenly remember VP's are dont really matter in elections.


    Yep...can I get an Obama/Palin ticket though?
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    These picks remind us that politics are still a game.
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  • 88keys
    88keys Posts: 151
    MrSmith wrote:
    next week people will suddenly remember VP's are dont really matter in elections.

    Amen
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It tells us that Republican women are WAY hotter than Democrats...at least those with a chance at real power. ;)

    Calm down my friend, sure politics are involved, but no reason to throw the baby out with th bath water...

    He're the good thing...no matter which side wins, based on the ticket, some real changes shoudl occur...if they don't, it'll make for 1 hell of an election next time...it's a slow process for sure, but I'm actually encouraged to some degree here.



    well as an independent woman, i will simply choose to be insulted for dem women. ;)


    as to the rest...wow...i agree! well, sorta. i really don't see much change, well change for the BETTEr, anyway...with the mccain/palin ticket.


    i understand biden has been around a LONG time, but does that necessarily mean he cannot be pro-change? perhaps this is just the political climate to get change done? just askin'....


    and...

    cincybearcat wrote:
    Yep...can I get an Obama/Palin ticket though?


    i totally get your point. while they 'dont' matter' they actually DO. if obama chose palin as his running mate..i would fully agree he is a total sham, b/c she is SO opposite what he has spoken for and against.


    *late edit...and while the VP choice IS important for the 'what if' factor...if things go as planned, with ANY president...the VP will have very little, if any, influence/power...so it STILL comes down to who you want AS president. so whatever demographic the VP choices may represent, beyond the scary idea of the president dying while in office...it still is MOST important who the head enchilada is.....and i sure as shite don't want to see mccain there.
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    well I'm a Biden fan. blue collar, family man, catholic, tough, and not a Washington insider...he was also my Pres choice when this all started. Had the most to say during the debates, though he had so little time.

    Sarah being a women is irrelevant to Hillary supporters, but it will excite female republicans. She's right of the republican base, so no Hillary or Reagan democrats will vote for the McCain ticket, some may not vote, or change their vote to Obama though.

    How this plays out, and how the middle see's these choices will be interesting. Also, if the republicans come out negative all next week, will the middle bit yet again? I think this is a huge election, if the rovian tactics win out yet again over substance, I don't see much hope in a better America without us bottoming out beyond what most of us think is possible.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    beachdweller wrote:
    and not a Washington insider...


    You've bought in to that bullshit? He is in Washington for 10-12 hours a day since 1972!!!!

    My kid goes to daycare, just because she comes home everynight, does that mean I'm really still a stay at home dad?
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  • hailhailkc
    hailhailkc Posts: 582
    cincybearcat wrote:
    By the way, that's total bullshit...and you know it...don't be brainwashed here.

    True, I was pretty upset when I typed that. : )
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  • drew0
    drew0 Posts: 943
    cincybearcat wrote:
    You've bought in to that bullshit? He is in Washington for 10-12 hours a day since 1972!!!!

    My kid goes to daycare, just because she comes home everynight, does that mean I'm really still a stay at home dad?

    He isn't the corrupt, dirty, fake, hands-in-big-oil type of Washington insider that is ruining this country, however. His networth is under $350,000. He commutes home on Amtrak everynight to see his wife. He's a blue-collar, middle-class, down-to-earth, friendly, personable guy. He tells it like it is and doesn't try to have it both ways and please everyone while just catering to the lobbyist like the typical Senator does. You've bought into that bullshit that Biden can't bring change because he's a long-time Senator? If I had to pick one senator to bring change to Washington, it would be Joe Biden. Not Barack, Hillary, McCain, Dodd, or Hagel. It would be Joe Biden. Simply because he has been in the Senate for a long time doesn't mean he can't bring change to this country. He still fights for the average American, and I trust him more than any other person in Washington to put this country back on the right track.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    drew0 wrote:
    He isn't the corrupt, dirty, fake, hands-in-big-oil type of Washington insider that is ruining this country, however. His networth is under $350,000. He commutes home on Amtrak everynight to see his wife. He's a blue-collar, middle-class, down-to-earth, friendly, personable guy. He tells it like it is and doesn't try to have it both ways and please everyone while just catering to the lobbyist like the typical Senator does. You've bought into that bullshit that Biden can't bring change because he's a long-time Senator? If I had to pick one senator to bring change to Washington, it would be Joe Biden. Not Barack, Hillary, McCain, Dodd, or Hagel. It would be Joe Biden. Simply because he has been in the Senate for a long time doesn't mean he can't bring change to this country. He still fights for the average American, and I trust him more than any other person in Washington to put this country back on the right track.


    I never said he can't bring change...but it will certainly be harder for someone who has been doing the same thing with everyone else since 1972.

    The difference is, I wouldn't want to pick any current Senator to bring change...but I'd certainly wouldn't start with a 36 year vet of the Senate.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    hailhailkc wrote:
    True, I was pretty upset when I typed that. : )

    Haha...I've gotten upset many times myself, but it's always nice to get a reality check. ;)
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  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    It says for Obama he's really not about "CHANGE" by pullin in a good ole boy.
    McCain it says he took a HUGE political gamble and that he's bringing in change with him.
    Not to mention, he knows a MILF when he sees one. Nice touch;)
  • Delivered_Wings
    Delivered_Wings Posts: 123
    I have liked Biden for years and am completely offended by McCains VP choice. Check out there voting history (or lack there of...Palin) and stances:


    http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Delivered_Wings wrote:
    I have liked Biden for years and am completely offended by McCains VP choice. Check out there voting history (or lack there of...Palin) and stances:


    http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm


    WHy are you offended? Seriously, people get offended about all kinds of stupid shit nowadays.
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  • Delivered_Wings
    Delivered_Wings Posts: 123
    cincybearcat wrote:
    WHy are you offended? Seriously, people get offended about all kinds of stupid shit nowadays.

    I am offended that she was chosen and is being touted as representing "strong women."

    Here is more I found about her:

    http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Delivered_Wings wrote:
    I am offended that she was chosen and is being touted as representing "strong women."

    Here is more I found about her:

    http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm


    Why? She is a strong woman.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Delivered_Wings wrote:
    I am offended that she was chosen and is being touted as representing "strong women."

    Here is more I found about her:

    http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm


    By the way, I suggest you look into each one of those points further before you decide what you think...that site is bullshit.

    Anyhow, I can see disagreeing with her on the issues...but if you look closely enough at her, you should at least respect her I think.

    Maybe a strong woman is letting your husband screw around and jut taking it...yawn.
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  • drew0
    drew0 Posts: 943
    cincybearcat wrote:
    WHy are you offended? Seriously, people get offended about all kinds of stupid shit nowadays.

    (1) A good number of people believe that McCain choose a woman to sway the Hillary supporters. Many people see this as exploiting women and thinking that they're stupid enough to vote for a ticket simply because it has a woman on it. Sarah Palin is not Hillary Clinton. Having a vagina doesn't mean you'll stand up for the issues that are important to women and that Hillary Clinton was a champion of. Reality is, most women won't support a woman who is pro-life.

    (2) It's a pathetic and desperate attempt by John McCain. After spending the entire election claiming Obama does not have the experience to be president and is therefore unqualified, he turns around and chooses someone with even less experience than Obama. Why would he choose someone that, defined by his terms, is unqualified to lead this country? He has only met her once in his life before he started looking into choosing her - did she leave such a good impression that single time, or he trying to use her gender as political gain?

    I'm not saying this is true, but this is how most people are viewing this choice. If you ask me, John McCain just shot himself in the foot. The poll taken so far say that 31% of undecided voters are "more likely" to vote for Obama after Palin was selected. John McCain just nullified his entire strategy and gives him 0 credibility. But, hey, at least Alaska is close to Russia and therefore Sarah Palin has foreign policy credentials (according to Cindy McCain)! And who was it that said Michelle Obama said dumb things???
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