What do these VP picks really tell us?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

cincybearcat wrote:

WHy are you offended? Seriously, people get offended about all kinds of stupid shit nowadays.

heh, yeah. everybody is offended so easily nowadays. if you dont like her dont vote for them.

cincybearcat

drew0 wrote:

(1) A good number of people believe that McCain choose a woman to sway the Hillary supporters. Many people see this as exploiting women and thinking that they're stupid enough to vote for a ticket simply because it has a woman on it. Sarah Palin is not Hillary Clinton. Having a vagina doesn't mean you'll stand up for the issues that are important to women and that Hillary Clinton was a champion of. Reality is, most women won't support a woman who is pro-life.

(2) It's a pathetic and desperate attempt by John McCain. After spending the entire election claiming Obama does not have the experience to be president and is therefore unqualified, he turns around and chooses someone with even less experience than Obama. Why would he choose someone that, defined by his terms, is unqualified to lead this country? He has only met her once in his life before he started looking into choosing her - did she leave such a good impression that single time, or he trying to use her gender as political gain?

I'm not saying this is true, but this is how most people are viewing this choice. If you ask me, John McCain just shot himself in the foot. The poll taken so far say that 31% of undecided voters are "more likely" to vote for Obama after Palin was selected. John McCain just nullified his entire strategy and gives him 0 credibility. But, hey, at least Alaska is close to Russia and therefore Sarah Palin has foreign policy credentials (according to Cindy McCain)! And who was it that said Michelle Obama said dumb things???

1) I bet you wouldn't have voted for McCain anyhow.
2) So, this pick was not for you.
3) He met her 2 times.
4) If he was looking for someone who was a Washington outsider, it's not surprising that he hasn'r spent tons of time with her...that the point.

Anyhow, Hillary hardly holds the patent on "women's issues"...if she more represents your beliefs, that great for you, but it doesn't mean a repub. woman also represents women.

I won't even get into the abortion portion of your comment.

cincybearcat

On a side note...what makes a woman that gets screwed over by her husband and just takes it the role model for women in this country?

jhinkle1114

cincybearcat wrote:

Anyhow, Hillary hardly holds the patent on "women's issues"...if she more represents your beliefs, that great for you, but it doesn't mean a repub. woman also represents women.

The point is that women that share Palin's views--very conservative, pro life etc. were ALREADY VOTING FOR JOHN MCCAIN.

The female moderate swing voters, jilted Hillary supporters etc. are much more likely to have more centrist views, be pro choice etc.

Thus picking Palin really isn't going to get McCain many female votes that he wasn't already likely going to get.

DixieN

hailhailkc wrote:

Obama rants about change and hope...and yet selects a VP candidate that has been in the system forever and whom supported the Iraq war.

McCain talks about Obama's lack of experience...and yet selects a VP candidate who hardly has any experience herself.

What this tells us is that both of these men are liars, crooks, thieves and...quite frankly...men of a political system which is, and has been, failing us for quite a long time.

I'm voting third party this time. Even Nader would be a better selection than either one of these douchebags.

What they tell us is that candidates have to play politics. Obama had to pick a white person who had several characteristics. It didn't have to be a man, but in not picking Hillary, I think his hand was forced toward male or risk a riot from Democratic women. Since Catholics are a big swing block, his candidate almost had to be Catholic and had to appeal to the working class. Who is that candidate...well, Biden fits the bill. McCain hopes to mop up on women voters--some disaffected Hillary voters (but he won't pick up many) and some independent female voters for whom abortion is not a litmus issue. And he had to keep up with the Jones', to boot. He could let the Dems have all the change glory.

I don't find either selection very appealing myself...but, I think I'm a very narrow range of appeal and they're going for the broader spectrum.

Delivered_Wings

cincybearcat wrote:

On a side note...what makes a woman that gets screwed over by her husband and just takes it the role model for women in this country?

You are obviously assuming that I am a Hilary supporter. I have never been. My views have nothing to do with Hilary. I am appalled by Sarah Palin, because of her stance on issues and her lack of any experience. And yes I am offended.

I understand the reasoning behind both parties VP picks. Of course, Obama needed a white man...of course McCain needed a younger candidate and the choice of a woman was a good idea because of the Hilary factor. However, to pick a woman that is so staunchly right wing is just stupid. No Hilary supporter is going to flip for someone like her and if they do then they should be a Republican anyway.

Solat13

The VP picks tell me that Pennsylvania is very much in play for both parties and is a very high priority.

Biden is originally from Scranton and Obama is hoping his blue collar roots and the fact that he is Catholic can help voters identify with the ticket and help Obama regain many of the blue collar union and Catholic votes he lost to Hillary.

Palin is a former union member, staunchly anti-abortion and an NRA member. McCain is hoping that she will appeal to voters in the state that has the most NRA members (I was surprised to learn this too), a state where 71% of Catholic Dems who are for the most part pro-life voted for Hillary, and as a former union member hope that Palin can appeal to some unions.

cincybearcat

Solat13 wrote:

the state that has the most NRA members (I was surprised to learn this too),

Not too surprising...they do get First day deer/doe off of school..it's a holiday.

jhinkle1114

cincybearcat wrote:

Not too surprising...they do get First day deer/doe off of school..it's a holiday.

To be fair, if it's like West Virginia where I grew up, the first day of deer rifle season is the Monday the week of Thanksgiving so they just get the whole week off of school in the state (primary school and all the Universities).

Partly deer season perhaps, but they just treat it as a fall break for thanksgiving.

I did grad school in another state and hated that it wasn't that way since it sucked having classes Mon-Wed the week of Thanksgiving.

gimmesometruth27

i don't understand how her being a milf or being repulsive would affect this election in any way. if you wanted to vote for a pair of boobs you should have voted for anna nicole smith....but then again you did that when you voted for bush/cheney 04....

Kann

I didn't read the other thread on Palin but did anyone there consider that McCain being 72 and the american life expenctancy for a man is 74.5 years, there are significant chances Sarah Palin might be president of the usa during mccain's term? This is the reason I find it weird that he didn't choose someone with more experience, just in case.