michael moore on larry king

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    onelongsong wrote:
    the movie made it seem like you can take a boat to the cuban harbour and get $60K surgery free. a couple of reasons america will never have free healthcare is america has too many layabouts. i refuse to pay for a dozen other peoples healthcare just because they either don't want to work or don't report their drug earnings. the next reason is crap like sicko is presented to the people and the sheep follow along. but they follow blindly because they believe the bs in the movie. with the masses filled with bs information they demand free healthcare based on the lies they were told. but they don't know what they're asking for. they're asking for their taxes to be doubled. they're asking for waits of hours to see a doctor and possably years waiting for surgeries or even MRIs.
    be careful what you ask for; you just may get it.

    I've got a copy of the movie. I suppose I should give it a viewing at some point. ;)
    Maybe this weekend.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    The usually left-minded Kurt Loder, of MTV news fame (and Rolling Stone magazine) gave it a piss down review. I almost wondered if it was intentionally fueling the fire of the debate it was so incendiary a write-up. If I didn't know Loder's "work" better...
    It was way too partisan a piece to take seriously.

    "Castro called in a specialist from Spain during his illness."

    Fuck you Loder.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Still, to his credit, at least Michael Moore gets people discussing this shit.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Still, to his credit, at least Michael Moore gets people discussing this shit.

    Yep.


    I think after F911, he found his voice was just as effective in the negative, maybe even moreso, than otherwise. He knows his niche, and uses it well.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    how's about this...i'm asking for my taxes to stop going towards blowing people to pieces and start going towards fixing what's wrong with people.

    is that ok?

    Sounds reasonable to me.
  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    how's about this...i'm asking for my taxes to stop going towards blowing people to pieces and start going towards fixing what's wrong with people.

    is that ok?


    that seems to make sense. :)
  • Derrick
    Derrick Posts: 475
    Keep in mind that, in Canada, we pay taxes that amount to about 50-55% of our income. In the US, you pay about 30% which is a significant difference. As far as I'm concerned, our healthcare system is very very good. Between sports injuries and other experiences I've had in Ontario hospitals, the service and care is terrific.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Derrick wrote:
    Keep in mind that, in Canada, we pay taxes that amount to about 50-55% of our income. In the US, you pay about 30% which is a significant difference. As far as I'm concerned, our healthcare system is very very good. Between sports injuries and other experiences I've had in Ontario hospitals, the service and care is terrific.

    nowhere near 50-55% ... i'm in the highest tax bracket (percentage wise) and i still don't pay that much ...

    but either way - there are two things to get out of this movie:

    1. american policy is all about greed and profiteering
    2. americans live in fear and are demoralized - thus not able to fight the exploitation that occurs
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    In regards to health care in the US, I think it boils down to:

    A) Americans are getting screwed
    B) Americans are getting screwed
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  • TheIndifferent
    TheIndifferent Posts: 8
    Michael Moore really really bothers me. I think it's the fact that a lot of times he asks questions that put the interviewee in a lose-lose situation. If they don't answer, they look like an asshole, but if they answer the question the way Moore set it up, they look like an asshole.
    Stunned by my own reflection
    It's looking back, sees me too clearly
    And I swore I'd never go there again
    Not unlike a friend that politely drags you down
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    My husband has a life threatening disease. We ran to the ER last March thinking it was going to be the end. Just as I was noticing that his blood pressure was over 200 (he takes medication to keep it low, and it's usually 110), and that he was most likely going to die soon, a nice lady approached me apologetically and asked for our insurance card and a copayment. She didn't deserve my fuck you, since she was just doing her job, but the system surely did.

    When we had a similar scare in Italy two years ago we spent the day in the ER, he had MRIs, CAT scans done, all sorts of tests and they didn't even ask for his name.

    After anedoctal evidence from 25 years living in Italy and 11 in the US there is nothing that will ever convince me that the US system is better.
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    TheIndifferent wrote:
    Michael Moore really really bothers me. I think it's the fact that a lot of times he asks questions that put the interviewee in a lose-lose situation. If they don't answer, they look like an asshole, but if they answer the question the way Moore set it up, they look like an asshole.

    Of course, many of the people he interviews simply ARE assholes.
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In Canada dental work is not covered. You need a plan at your work or to buy into one. However tooth extraction is like $60 a tooth or something like that. Approx the same for cleanings.

    I'm quite happy with the system in Canada. It's not super awesome, but it's certainly adequate, and it will keep your ass alive and healthy. I am looking at brain surgery in a few months btw... In reality, doctors can only do so much, the rest is mostly up to the individual.

    The main thing is to be persistent and knowledgeable about your symptoms, condition etc..and get an umpteenth opinion if you want/need to (free).

    There's always horror stories, but that rings true for everything that happens in life from going to the bathroom to sky diving.

    words are small, i know, but i hope for the best for you with the surgery. you will be on our minds and i'll be thinking positive thoughts for you.
  • TheIndifferent
    TheIndifferent Posts: 8
    meme wrote:
    Of course, many of the people he interviews simply ARE assholes.

    Heh... touche.
    Stunned by my own reflection
    It's looking back, sees me too clearly
    And I swore I'd never go there again
    Not unlike a friend that politely drags you down
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    TheIndifferent wrote:
    Michael Moore really really bothers me. I think it's the fact that a lot of times he asks questions that put the interviewee in a lose-lose situation. If they don't answer, they look like an asshole, but if they answer the question the way Moore set it up, they look like an asshole.

    maybe it's because they're assholes...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    24 out of 25 of the worlds most industrialized countries have socialized health care.

    Very interesting pattern to be noted here.

    Any guesses who the #25 country is?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • mookie blaylock 10
    mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    24 out of 25 of the worlds most industrialized countries have socialized health care.

    Very interesting pattern to be noted here.

    Any guesses who the #25 country is?

    U, S, and A ? :D
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Derrick wrote:
    Keep in mind that, in Canada, we pay taxes that amount to about 50-55% of our income. In the US, you pay about 30% which is a significant difference. As far as I'm concerned, our healthcare system is very very good. Between sports injuries and other experiences I've had in Ontario hospitals, the service and care is terrific.

    i pay more in taxes then most people make in a year yet the highest rate i've ever paid was 22%. where did you get this 30% figure? am i missing something?
  • Derrick
    Derrick Posts: 475
    polaris wrote:
    nowhere near 50-55% ... i'm in the highest tax bracket (percentage wise) and i still don't pay that much ...

    but either way - there are two things to get out of this movie:

    1. american policy is all about greed and profiteering
    2. americans live in fear and are demoralized - thus not able to fight the exploitation that occurs

    If you are in the top bracket, include your property tax with your income tax and you should easily be over 50%. Now, if you want to get even more disgusted, factor in your GST, as it also goes to the federal government. Wanna get picky? Add your provincial sales tax, and you will probably go over the 55% mark. Not kidding. And don't just say that canadian healthcare is a federal endeavour, because while it is run at the federal level, contributions are made at each level of government.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    how's about this...i'm asking for my taxes to stop going towards blowing people to pieces and start going towards fixing what's wrong with people.

    is that ok?

    sounds like a nice dream that will never happen. we've always had a military budget and always will. we have agreements with countries to protect them. when we're not using arms we're stocking up on them. the world is too volital (sp?) to slack off on our military. not too long ago north korea had IBMs with our name on them.

    if you read the post on i believe page 1; you'd see that these nations with socialized healthcare are trying to establish private healthcare because the socialized medicine isn't working. in canada; you can wait up to 1 year for approval for an MRI. do you want your taxes doubled to receive that kind of service. if canada legalizes private healthcare it will have the same system as the us. private healthcare and socialized healthcare for those that can't afford private healthcare. which is about the same as our medicare system. i have medicare and i can get an MRI the day the doctor orders it.

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