Something to Piss Off My Fellow Canadians - This Needs to Change!

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  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    MrBrian wrote:
    talk about a knee jerk reaction.
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    I did'nt mean to offend you with what I said, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
    I do find the reason you are anti liberal to be fairly funny.

    Infact I don't even think the world liberal is correct on this matter to begin with.

    You're right, liberal's not really the right term. I apologized for overgeneralizing in my original post. I should have started with a 5 page thesis to clarify my points. The last thing I want is for people to see through my point and get hung up on words. Unfortunately, that happens a lot to me, I don't think clearly and certainly don't type clearly, I should stay away from this place, I just got bored at work today.

    However, if you think people wasting the money you worked hard for is fairly funny you either have too much of it or are missing the point.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    surferdude wrote:
    Not at all. We have enough home grown people who seemingly strive to provide cheap labor. Our immigration model is much more highly geared towards atttracting well educated immigrants with in demand skills.

    same with the us. but look at the bloody mess we've become. i hope you can get it sorted before your problems get to the state the us is in. we like canadians so our northern border is almost wide open. now our laxed policy is allowing immigrants to basically walk into canada.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    onelongsong wrote:
    i read an article that the mexican illegals are crossing into canada in incredable numbers. is this true?

    Why cross illegally when you can apply and get great benefits right off the start.....and as far as I know the answer is no...I know back in my home province of Saskatchewan there is a huge influx of legal Mexican workers coming to work seasonal jobs.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I honestly feel we should be taking a harder look on who is getting in this country.

    back in the 70's Canada would beg people to come in. almost anyone could come on over. they needed the growth. But I think it's at a point now where we have to (as you said) take a harder look.

    but....

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/canada_immigration_growth
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    MrBrian wrote:
    back in the 70's Canada would beg people to come in. almost anyone could come on over. they needed the growth. But I think it's at a point now where we have to (as you said) take a harder look.

    but....

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/canada_immigration_growth

    Well to me the article paints an inaccurate picture...judging from many people I hang out with, of all political horizons, the current hot topic is immigration....but who knows...the only people I know wanting even more lax rules are those in the labour industry....because we sure do a shitty job in attracting professionals from over-seas....
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    desandrews wrote:
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    However, if you think people wasting the money you worked hard for is fairly funny you either have too much of it or are missing the point.

    If you think that's what I mean, then you are the one missing the point my friend.

    But this can go on and on, so i think we are done here.
  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    MrBrian wrote:
    If you think that's what I mean, then you are the one missing the point my friend.

    But this can go on and on, so i think we are done here.

    I didn't realize we were going on and on. I thought you made an attempt to bridge the misunderstanding with your second post, I appreciated that and tried to do the same with my latest. I thought I clearly laid out my reasons for being "anti-liberal" as not liking people forcibly taking my money and wasting it, whether it's for a good cause or not. If that's not the point I got across, I apologize, because that is my reason for being "anti-liberal" (to continue using the shitty phrasing that I started.)
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    desandrews wrote:
    I didn't realize we were going on and on. I thought you made an attempt to bridge the misunderstanding with your second post, I appreciated that and tried to do the same with my latest. I thought I clearly laid out my reasons for being "anti-liberal" as not liking people forcibly taking my money and wasting it, whether it's for a good cause or not. If that's not the point I got across, I apologize, because that is my reason for being "anti-liberal" (to continue using the shitty phrasing that I started.)

    ah, fair enough.

    I'm sure not many canadians want the money they make/taxes whatever else to be wasted. I mean we have on one side the more conervative folk wasting money on defenses with the US then perhaps on the other side the more liberal folk wasting money on said issues?

    No real balance. this is the problem?
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  • desandrews
    desandrews Posts: 143
    MrBrian wrote:
    ah, fair enough.

    I'm sure not many canadians want the money they make/taxes whatever else to be wasted. I mean we have on one side the more conervative folk wasting money on defenses with the US then perhaps on the other side the more liberal folk wasting money on said issues?

    No real balance. this is the problem?
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    Yes, this is the problem. Waste, waste, waste. It's everywhere, both sides, I'm not arguing with that.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Why cross illegally when you can apply and get great benefits right off the start.....and as far as I know the answer is no...I know back in my home province of Saskatchewan there is a huge influx of legal Mexican workers coming to work seasonal jobs.

    you misunderstood. they're illegal in the us. there are advantages to being illegal though.
    1) if you're a criminal; nobody knows where you are.
    2) you don't pay taxes.
    3) as you can see by the us problem; they can still get social services.
  • not4u
    not4u Posts: 512
    lou dobbs rules.
    we don't want war, but we still want more?
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    MrBrian wrote:
    That is kinda high. what would be a better amount? I mean we can't just not give them anything.

    Why can't we, immigrants came to this country a 80 - 100 years ago with nothing more than the shirt on their back and contributed to building this country.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i would suspect that those payments would cease at some point relatively soon while pensions continue for the unforeseeable future ... also, as a canadian citizen there are other tax breaks that you get that are supposedly available so that you can have enough for when you retire ...

    i'm not saying the system is perfect but it isn't a simple case of one being greater than the other ...
  • Truthmonger
    Truthmonger Posts: 559
    3 things:

    1) there is a difference between a refugee and a regular immigrant. In Canada, refugees represent roughly 10% or so of overall immigrant numbers. Thats a fairly relatively small number. And these people have nothing, as they often come from war-torn countries and the like.

    2) Canada, while it has roughly 10% of the population of the U.S., has only 1-2 % of America's illegal immigrants....Canada: 150,000-200,000. U.S.: 12-18 million.

    3) Lou Dobbs is a sanctimonious tool who likes to talk. Hey Lou, enough with the editorializing, you petulant fuck.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I wonder if some here would care to argue how Native's still deserve to pay no taxes, can bud in front of any line to any college in Canada, monthly cheques, and the list goes on.

    Another HUGE Canadian item that burns me, equal country my ass.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I wonder if some here would care to argue how Native's still deserve to pay no taxes, can bud in front of any line to any college in Canada, monthly cheques, and the list goes on.

    Another HUGE Canadian item that burns me, equal country my ass.

    also another issue that is not black and white ... what is fair is relative to all people ...
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    polaris wrote:
    also another issue that is not black and white ... what is fair is relative to all people ...

    Does it not seem to pose an issue dealing with equality?

    My fear is that we have created a generation of free-loaders (and for the love of something please everyone do not take the statement in the wrong way, I am friends with many many Natives that are creating careers with themseleves and even they are digusted by the actions of their cultural peers and I will not repeat their frustrations) and that continuing to give away money is not helping end the problem but instead increasing the problem.

    The whole basis comes back to agreements made over a century ago. tell me what postive thing has this accomplished. The USA does not give away money to African-Americans although they enslaved them, they do not give money to Native Americans though some of their ancestors slaughtered them. But we will give Native Americans money even after accepting some of them in their run from the USA.

    My whole belief is that we are creating more problems within the group. It's like raising a kid by giving him everything he wants when gets to grow up he will expect everything to come his way instead of learning a necessary trait, you have to earn your place, many people in this situation are far from earning their place.

    It bothers me because the many Native Americans I know and am friends with still face some prejudice from whites (due to the stereostypes) and heaven forbid from their cultural peers who deem them, in nice words, white wanna-be's.

    Give me a break this attitude needs to change, and free hand-outs are not helping.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    beemster wrote:
    Why can't we, immigrants came to this country a 80 - 100 years ago with nothing more than the shirt on their back and contributed to building this country.

    I understand your point 100%, My parents moved from south africa to canada with no money, when they got married they saved the rice that was thrown at them. Now they live a very good life. But in those darker times it would've helped them a bit if they had some more help.

    Like I said, perhaps the amount we give them these days is too high, but we don't pay the tab for years and years right? I dunno, that's just how I feel.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Does it not seem to pose an issue dealing with equality?

    My fear is that we have created a generation of free-loaders (and for the love of something please everyone do not take the statement in the wrong way, I am friends with many many Natives that are creating careers with themseleves and even they are digusted by the actions of their cultural peers and I will not repeat their frustrations) and that continuing to give away money is not helping end the problem but instead increasing the problem.

    The whole basis comes back to agreements made over a century ago. tell me what postive thing has this accomplished. The USA does not give away money to African-Americans although they enslaved them, they do not give money to Native Americans though some of their ancestors slaughtered them. But we will give Native Americans money even after accepting some of them in their run from the USA.

    My whole belief is that we are creating more problems within the group. It's like raising a kid by giving him everything he wants when gets to grow up he will expect everything to come his way instead of learning a necessary trait, you have to earn your place, many people in this situation are far from earning their place.

    It bothers me because the many Native Americans I know and am friends with still face some prejudice from whites (due to the stereostypes) and heaven forbid from their cultural peers who deem them, in nice words, white wanna-be's.

    Give me a break this attitude needs to change, and free hand-outs are not helping.

    neither i nor my family ever enslaved blacks. over 142 years ago some wealthy americans did own slaves. i; nor my family is not responsable for what people did 142 years ago and i'll thank you not to call me a slave owner.
    if we're going to split hairs; let's talk about the crown and the wars it started with america. and also the way it took canada. and when the french had balls; what they did too. if americans are to account for what ancestors did then you too must be accountable for what your ancestors did.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Does it not seem to pose an issue dealing with equality?

    My fear is that we have created a generation of free-loaders (and for the love of something please everyone do not take the statement in the wrong way, I am friends with many many Natives that are creating careers with themseleves and even they are digusted by the actions of their cultural peers and I will not repeat their frustrations) and that continuing to give away money is not helping end the problem but instead increasing the problem.

    The whole basis comes back to agreements made over a century ago. tell me what postive thing has this accomplished. The USA does not give away money to African-Americans although they enslaved them, they do not give money to Native Americans though some of their ancestors slaughtered them. But we will give Native Americans money even after accepting some of them in their run from the USA.

    My whole belief is that we are creating more problems within the group. It's like raising a kid by giving him everything he wants when gets to grow up he will expect everything to come his way instead of learning a necessary trait, you have to earn your place, many people in this situation are far from earning their place.

    It bothers me because the many Native Americans I know and am friends with still face some prejudice from whites (due to the stereostypes) and heaven forbid from their cultural peers who deem them, in nice words, white wanna-be's.

    Give me a break this attitude needs to change, and free hand-outs are not helping.

    well ... you infer to it in most of your post ... the issue goes well beyond a simple no to this and yes to that ...

    i don't have the answers to native issues but i do know that cutting all programs isn't going to work either ...

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