the origins of jesus, the end times, christianity and every other religion...

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    chopitdown wrote:
    that's fine, you can do what you want.
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    I'm with RigneyClan on this one.
    There is a reason WHY Christmas and Easter fall where they do. And the things associated with both holidays, too. Both are based around Pagean ritual celebrations that mark the seasons. Trees decorated with fertility balls and fruit... bunnies and eggs say more about fertility than Jesus.
    The young Christian Church used these celebrations to get the heathens to join in. Nothing wrong with that, I see it as a valid method to get people to listen in on your sermons and stuff.
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    But to pretend it was the other way around... isn't Truth a big part of your religion?
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Cosmo wrote:
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    I'm with RigneyClan on this one.
    There is a reason WHY Christmas and Easter fall where they do. And the things associated with both holidays, too. Both are based around Pagean ritual celebrations that mark the seasons. Trees decorated with fertility balls and fruit... bunnies and eggs say more about fertility than Jesus.
    The young Christian Church used these celebrations to get the heathens to join in. Nothing wrong with that, I see it as a valid method to get people to listen in on your sermons and stuff.
    ...
    But to pretend it was the other way around... isn't Truth a big part of your religion?

    fair points, i figured he was calling bullshit on something different.
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  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    Cosmo wrote:
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    I'm with RigneyClan on this one.
    There is a reason WHY Christmas and Easter fall where they do. And the things associated with both holidays, too. Both are based around Pagean ritual celebrations that mark the seasons. Trees decorated with fertility balls and fruit... bunnies and eggs say more about fertility than Jesus.
    The young Christian Church used these celebrations to get the heathens to join in. Nothing wrong with that, I see it as a valid method to get people to listen in on your sermons and stuff.
    ...
    But to pretend it was the other way around... isn't Truth a big part of your religion?

    That's exactly what I was getting at.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    it's funny what you think are givens. :)
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    chopitdown wrote:
    El... I did watch the video and their is interesting things in the video but again similarity does not imply causality...did you read the quote I posted? here it is again
    This fallacy occurs when someone argues that just because two things exist side by side, that one must be the cause of the other. As one theologian has written, the History of Religions School had the tendency "to convert parallels into influences and influences into sources."{5} Causal connection is much harder to prove than proximity.
    I'm not sure if they are copying off of christianity or, are they naturally occurring themes that are revealed in nature. Again, all of this is retrospective and with retrospective theories come bias.


    ok, but what about the moses/mises/other variations of the name who had pretty much the exact same life? was it just a coincidence? where those religions who existed BEFORE christianity...were they just seeing the future when moses came?
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    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
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    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    El_Kabong wrote:
    ok, but what about the moses/mises/other variations of the name who had pretty much the exact same life? was it just a coincidence? where those religions who existed BEFORE christianity...were they just seeing the future when moses came?


    bump
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    El_Kabong wrote:
    bump

    that i don't know. I was recommended a good resource re: New testament and pagan thought "Ronald H. Nash, The Gospel and the Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought?" I figured since you were asking some of the questions, you'd like to read a response from the other side of your view.
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  • lukin321
    lukin321 Charlotte, NC Posts: 865
    Has anyone watched the full movie? I've had a very slow day at work and took a couple hours to check it out. Crazy stuff.
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  • Corporate Seance
    Corporate Seance Posts: 1
    I came across this video yesterday, and I must say - it's quite enlightening in regards to the astrotheological origins of many of the messianic myths.
    "Spheres of Influence..."
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Cosmo wrote:
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    If David Blaine and/or Criss Angel were around 2000 years ago... doing the magic tricks they do in New York and Vegas... except they did these same tricks in Jerusalem or Damacus... do you think they might have a Religion based upon them today?
    Wait, so Sarah Silverman has been right all along?

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