Power: Gore Mansion Uses 20x Average Household

NOCODE#1 · February 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

Gore is at best a fool, and at worst a fraud.

this has nothing to do with making a documentary film

please quit with your swiftboat attack of something irrelevant to an oscar winning film

farfromglorified · February 2007

NOCODE#1 wrote:

this has nothing to do with making a documentary film

please quit with your swiftboat attack of something irrelevant to an oscar winning film

Hehe....how is the "Oscar" relevant then??

Anyway, relax. I'm not trying to take anything away from the film. Certainly An Inconvenient Truth should be taken for what it's worth, Al Gore's electricity usage not withstanding.

I don't like Al Gore. Get used to it.

farfromglorified · February 2007

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

How come it hasn't been mentioned that Gore's bill is increased due to the optional use of green power?

It has been mentioned, at least somewhere here.

Signing up for TVA's "Green Power Switch" doesn't mean you're only using green power. The TVA has green power infrastructure that feeds into the grid and everyone uses that power. Paying the optional premium subsidizes the cost of that infrastructure and Al Gore should be applauded for doing that. However, if only 400 households used the same amount of electricity as Al Gore, the entire output of their "Green Power Switch" would be consumed. Al Gore's response wants to pretend that he's only using Green Power. The fact of the matter is that 60% of Al Gore's power usage comes from fossil fuels, just like everyone else on that grid.

baraka · February 2007

ffg, after catching up on this thread, it seems to me your problem is with Al Gore and not necessarily the issue at hand. I don't think anyone is giving Gore a free pass. It almost appears that you'd rather be wasteful, just to 'stick it to' Al Gore. Earlier, you attempted to make the case that all environmentalists were scare mongers & you posted a statement made by Gore to make your point. You summarized by saying that the environmentalists were 'anti-technology' and this was an attempt to take away your 'freedoms' thus your ability to survive. Now, if that isn't scare mongering, I don't know what is. Coming at the issue from that angle makes your argument seem disingenuous.

NOCODE#1 · February 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't like Al Gore. Get used to it.

its a good thing this thread was titled "do you like Al Gore?"

oh wait it wasnt

farfromglorified · February 2007

baraka wrote:

ffg, after catching up on this thread, it seems to me your problem is with Al Gore and not necessarily the issue at hand.

Yes. I've said that numerous times. My problem is with Al Gore. And the issue at hand is Al Gore's electricity usage, not An Inconvenient Truth.

I don't think anyone is giving Gore a free pass. It almost appears that you'd rather be wasteful, just to 'stick it to' Al Gore.

Hehe..."stick it to Al Gore"??? I don't think some posts on a message board can really qualify as sticking it to Al Gore, but ok.

And no, I rather not be wasteful.

Earlier, you attempted to make the case that all environmentalists were scare mongers & you posted a statement made by Gore to make your point.

Evironmentalists, in a generalized sense, are easily classified as scaremongers baraka. There's no way around that -- just look at their own language and statements. I certainly don't believe environmentalism is bad, or that it need be based on fear. But the tactics of many environmentalists and the overall "environmentalist movement" are primarily based on fear.

You summarized by saying that the environmentalists were 'anti-technology' and this was an attempt to take away your 'freedoms' thus your ability to survive. Now, if that isn't scare mongering, I don't know what is. Coming at the issue from that angle makes your argument seem disingenuous.

I'm certainly not trying to be disingenuous here, nor am I trying to send the message that people should fear environmentalists. People shouldn't fear environmentalists, and that's the point I'm making (or at least trying to make).

Look, there are people here everyday who say 'George Bush is a fearmonger'. And those people are correct. Are you going to accuse those people of also being fearmongers, just because they are trying to advise others not to give themselves over to the doomsday proclamations there?

The environmentalist movement has long fought against technology. I think that's the ultimate example of biting your nose to spite your face. And I think it's unwise. But it's not something to be approached fearfully. It's something to be approached rationally.

baraka · February 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

Yes. I've said that numerous times. My problem is with Al Gore. And the issue at hand is Al Gore's electricity usage, not An Inconvenient Truth.

Hehe..."stick it to Al Gore"??? I don't think some posts on a message board can really qualify as sticking it to Al Gore, but ok.

And no, I rather not be wasteful.

Evironmentalists, in a generalized sense, are easily classified as scaremongers baraka. There's no way around that -- just look at their own language and statements. I certainly don't believe environmentalism is bad, or that it need be based on fear. But the tactics of many environmentalists and the overall "environmentalist movement" are primarily based on fear.

I'm certainly not trying to be disingenuous here, nor am I trying to send the message that people should fear environmentalists. People shouldn't fear environmentalists, and that's the point I'm making (or at least trying to make).

Look, there are people here everyday who say 'George Bush is a fearmonger'. And those people are correct. Are you going to accuse those people of also being fearmongers, just because they are trying to advise others not to give themselves over to the doomsday proclamations there?

The environmentalist movement has long fought against technology. I think that's the ultimate example of biting your nose to spite your face. And I think it's unwise. But it's not something to be approached fearfully. It's something to be approached rationally.

Well then forget Al Gore...Do you think I was suprised to read about Gore's electricity usage? No, I wasn't. But I do feel that he is not the only celebrity that does not practice what he preaches. This is nothing new. Don't let your dislike of an individual ruin your ability to look at an issue objectively and certainly do not manifest the same behavior that you detest.

I know what you are saying about 'movements'. It sad, because most causes start off as a great thing, then they are poisoned by agendas and self-righteousness. This usually leads to people not taking the issue seriously, which is counter-productive.

farfromglorified · February 2007

baraka wrote:

Well then forget Al Gore...Do you think I was suprised to read about Gore's electricity usage? No, I wasn't. But I do feel that he is not the only celebrity that does not practice what he preaches. This is nothing new. Don't let your dislike of an individual ruin your ability to look at an issue objectively and certainly do not manifest the same behavior that you detest.

I completely agree. I certainly don't think this is surprising, new, or unique in any way. However, the hypocrisy of so-called leaders, visionaries and progressives is very much worthy of notice. It further demonstrates the severe lack of principle within the system, and the tragedy of witless morons sitting around waiting for saviors to problems they can solve for themselves, right now.

I know what you are saying about 'movements'. It sad, because most causes start off as a great thing, then they are poisoned by agendas and self-righteousness. This usually leads to people not taking the issue seriously, which is counter-productive.

Precisely. And that is sad because the issue isn't what should be called into question. But when Jesus robs the collection plate, you start to wonder what the church is all about to begin with.

baraka · February 2007

farfromglorified wrote:

I completely agree. I certainly don't think this is surprising, new, or unique in any way. However, the hypocrisy of so-called leaders, visionaries and progressives is very much worthy of notice. It further demonstrates the severe lack of principle within the system, and the tragedy of witless morons sitting around waiting for saviors to problems they can solve for themselves, right now.

Much more worthy of notice? Hardly.......I think it is a waste of time and energy to narrow your focus on something so insignificant. How about not letting the likes of Gore get to you and muddy what is important. Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want. I dislike Bill O'Reilly, but I applaud Jessica's law. I'm not going to stop my support just because O'Reilly is championing the cause.

Precisely. And that is sad because the issue isn't what should be called into question. But when Jesus robs the collection plate, you start to wonder what the church is all about to begin with.[/quote]

I don't think your analogy is very good, but I get what you're saying. See my response above.

farfromglorified · February 2007

baraka wrote:

Much more worthy of notice? Hardly.......I think it is a waste of time and energy to narrow your focus on something so insignificant. How about not letting the likes of Gore get to you and muddy what is important. Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want. I dislike Bill O'Reilly, but I applaud Jessica's law. I'm not going to stop my support just because O'Reilly is championing the cause.

This is good advice. I don't disagree. It cuts both ways though. To often the rejection or acceptance of issues include the personalities attached to it.

Power: Gore Mansion Uses 20x Average Household

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