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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The information isn't publicly available. Apparently the information originated from NES. Whoever they are.

    Nintendo Entertainment System???

    Anyway, of course it's publicly available. Look up the sales record for the address. Determine if Al Gore is the primary owner. Look for active power lines coming from the TVA grid to his house. Get a telescope and read his meter. Do it again 30 days later. Multiply by 30.41. Viola.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The information isn't publicly available. Apparently the information originated from NES. Whoever they are.

    probably paparazzi...somebody's diving his garbage apparently
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Nintendo Entertainment System???

    Anyway, of course it's publicly available. Look up the sales record for the address. Determine if Al Gore is the primary owner. Look for active power lines coming from the TVA grid to his house. Get a telescope and read his meter. Do it again 30 days later. Multiply by 30.41. Viola.

    That doesn't answer any of my questions!

    I think NES is Nashville Energy Service
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://www.nespower.com/green_power_switch.aspx

    In fact, a green power investment of $8 per month on your electric bill is equivalent to not driving your car for four months.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I guess it really doesn't matter how much good one does in life...there will always be those who prefer to pick the peanuts out of your sh-t and try to grow them...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Funny shit

    Green power cost more because the technology used to capture these renewable resources is more expensive than traditional power generation methods.


    They actually use methane to produce the electricity, so they are actually preventing emissions by burning the methane. It's the same deal they use at landfills these days.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That doesn't answer any of my questions!

    You're looking for "hard documents". I don't have any. You'll have to find those for yourself if you need that information. So if you don't believe me until then, I'm very much ok with that. As I said earlier, I really don't care.

    Just a suggestion, but Al Gore's response to this didn't challenge any of the basic fact findings, just the implications.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You're looking for "hard documents". I don't have any. You'll have to find those for yourself if you need that information. So if you don't believe me until then, I'm very much ok with that. As I said earlier, I really don't care.

    Just a suggestion, but Al Gore's response to this didn't challenge any of the basic fact findings, just the implications.

    Dude, look, it does not matter how much he spends on it, his carbon emissions are low, a lot lower than your calculations.

    This is a smear campaign, or else they would have some real important facts to talk about, green energy costs more, but it is energy efficient.

    I think you just don't like Gore.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    A Far Too Convenient $mear
    http://www.algore.org/node/245
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, look, it does not matter how much he spends on it, his carbon emissions are low, a lot lower than your calculations.

    Ummm...I haven't even brought up how much he spends. My calculations are based on his alleged annual usage, 221,000 kwh / year.
    This is a smear campaign, or else they would have some real important facts to talk about, green energy costs more, but it is energy efficient.

    I think you just don't like Gore.

    Of course it's a smear campaign! But that doesn't make their facts incorrect. The Clinton impeachment was a smear campaign, but he did get oral sex from that woman and he did lie about it. Most anti-Bush posts here are smear campaigns, but that doesn't mean a lot of their facts are incorrect either.

    And no, I don't like Al Gore. I don't like Al Gore because he's yet another blowhard politician trying to scare people into serving him.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ummm...I haven't even brought up how much he spends. My calculations are based on his alleged annual usage, 221,000 kwh / year.

    Uh, so how much carbon is emitted from green energy? did you factor that in, or just go with conventional energy. I'd like to see proper formula.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uh, so how much carbon is emitted from green energy? did you factor that in, or just go with conventional energy. I'd like to see proper formula.

    The proper formula is:

    TOTAL ELECTRICITY USAGE (kwh) * .6 * .43 = kilograms of CO2 emissions.

    The .6 represents 60% -- the percentage of Tennesse's electricity that comes from fossil fuels. The other 40% comes from nuclear & hydroelectric & wind/solar.

    The .43 is the coversion factor of kwh of fossil fuels -> co2 emissions.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    The proper formula is:

    TOTAL ELECTRICITY USAGE (kwh) * .6 * .43 = kilograms of CO2 emissions.

    The .6 represents 60% -- the percentage of Tennesse's electricity that comes from fossil fuels. The other 40% comes from nuclear & hydroelectric & wind/solar.

    The .43 is the coversion factor of kwh of fossil fuels -> co2 emissions.

    That's bullshit, can you guess why?

    Green Power is produced from burning Methane, Solar Panels and Wind. That throws a wrench in your calculations because they don't produce as much CO2.

    Methane is important for electrical generation by burning it as a fuel in a gas turbine or steam boiler. Compared to other hydrocarbon fuels, burning methane produces less carbon dioxide for each unit of heat released. Also, methane's heat of combustion is about 802 kJ/mol, which is lower than any other hydrocarbon, but if a ratio is made with the atomic weight (16.0 g/mol) divided by the heat of combustion (802 kJ/mol) it is found that methane, being the simplest hydrocarbon, actually produces the most heat per unit mass than other complex hydrocarbons. In many cities, methane is piped into homes for domestic heating and cooking purposes. In this context it is usually known as natural gas. One standard cubic foot of methane will produce roughly 1,000 BTU (1.06 MJ = 293 W·hr) of energy.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Perhaps it should be .24 instead of .6
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

    1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

    2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

    What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's bullshit, can you guess why?

    Green Power is produced from burning Methane, Solar Panels and Wind. That throws a wrench in your calculations because they don't produce as much CO2.

    Dude, my calculations include zero emissions from renewables, nuclear, and hydroelectric. The fact remains that these technologies do produce some emissions, but I'm not even counting those. I'm only counting emissions from fossil fuel production. That's the 60%. In my formula, 40% of Gore's power is considered emissions-free.

    Seriously, if you don't want to believe me, don't.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Seriously, if you don't want to believe me, don't.

    Ok
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I think people often let their personal opinions outweigh the reality of the situation
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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