Wal-Mart Fights Maryland Law Mandating Minimus Level of Health Benefit Spending

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  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    It will come down on the taxpayers. Walmart's wage and benefit packages are so low, the public welfare system gets stuck with providing basic essentials to many Walmart employees, such as food stamps, housing and health care.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    surferdude wrote:
    Sorry but everyone can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart. My morals and principals are not for sale. Shopping at Wal-Mart only buys misery for others.


    I agree, they can but so many aren't even aware of what walmart does and how they operate. I've surprised more people than I can count with facts about walmarts policy towards employees. that is real...these people didn't have a clue about it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    i'm not going to bother answering ridiculous questions.

    What's ridiculous about it?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    SundaySilence wrote:
    It will come down on the taxpayers. Walmart's wage and benefit packages are so low, the public welfare system gets stuck with providing basic essentials to many Walmart employees, such as food stamps, housing and health care.

    BINGO!!! We have a winner. That is the sole motivation behind this law, what it's made to prevent.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ah...more opportunities for employment you mean? How many companies do you think will beating down Maryland's door to get in with laws like this in place?

    the problem lies in the fact that these companies are allowed to get by with this shit elsewhere not in the fact that maryland is trying to help it's citizens out.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm not lucky. I earned what I have.



    Perhaps, though I think many African Americans and many women would certainly disagree with you.



    You cannot break down something by resorting to its tactics. You can't make peace with bombs.

    1. You're not at all lucky? Please consider your subject-position for one moment: are you male or female (having a penis gives you an advatage)/are you caucasian or not caucasian (in this country being white gives you an advantage)/where were you born (not living in the inner city and having to go to urban public schools gives you an advantage)/what class did you come from as a kid?/are you hetero- or homo- sexual (being straight and married certainly gives you advantages ... particularly in taxation, etc.)

    You may not have all advantages, but to imply that you earned everything you had only serves to overlook historical inequities that still take place in this country.

    2. African-Americans may disagree, but, then again, Mexican's and other illegal immigrants are taking there place...worse African-American's have turned their backs on the new poor.

    3. That's what we've been told our whole life, but has anything changed?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    the problem lies in the fact that these companies are allowed to get by with this shit elsewhere not in the fact that maryland is trying to help it's citizens out.

    Hahahaha......there it is. That's what I was waiting for. And then what happens when this becomes a federal law?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Maryland's unemployment has dropped to 4.2% from 5.2 in Jan.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    farfromglorified wrote:
    BINGO!!! We have a winner. That is the sole motivation behind this law, what it's made to prevent.


    so, by 'fuck this law' you mean to hold your gun to the maryland taxpayers heads to pay for health care instead of Wal-Mart, a multi-billion $ company (whose profit comes from their cheap labor costs)??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    You know what will really make me laugh. When Wal-Mart figures out that it can hit the 8% mark just by providing a very lavish plan to a select group of management employees.

    Wal-Mart wants to keep it's employees being it's customer base. Providing healthcare benefits only helps these employees shop elsewhere. Wal-Mart will find a way arond this. Wal-Mart will find a way to protect it's customer base. They are very good at playing on the edges of the rule and winning in business. I'm sure they'll succeed again, it's what they do.

    Wal-Mart is not the problem, only the symptom. Spending time and money attacking the symptom and not the problem is a waste of resources and neither time nor money well spent. But it does alleviate a lot of people's guilt by the sounds of this board.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    ryan198 wrote:
    1. You're not at all lucky? Please consider your subject-position for one moment: are you male or female (having a penis gives you an advatage)

    I do have a penis...thanks for asking. Can you tell me what my penis has done for me in this context?
    are you caucasian or not caucasian (in this country being white gives you an advantage)

    I am caucasion. Can you tell me what my whiteness has done for me in this context?
    where were you born (not living in the inner city and having to go to urban public schools gives you an advantage)

    I was born in a small town. I went to private school. The first is luck. The second was earned, but not by me.
    what class did you come from as a kid?

    Poor. Not abject poor, but poor. Single mother who worked her ass off.
    are you hetero- or homo- sexual (being straight and married certainly gives you advantages ... particularly in taxation, etc.)

    Hetero, unmarried.
    You may not have all advantages, but to imply that you earned everything you had only serves to overlook historical inequities that still take place in this country.

    And to imply that an average has any bearing on my direct singular experience is a little insulting, thanks.
    2. African-Americans may disagree, but, then again, Mexican's and other illegal immigrants are taking there place...worse African-American's have turned their backs on the new poor.

    That's fair.
    3. That's what we've been told our whole life, but has anything changed?

    Not as long as people keep supporting it, no.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    surferdude wrote:
    You know what will really make me laugh. When Wal-Mart figures out that it can hit the 8% mark just by providing a very lavish plan to a select group of management employees.

    Wal-Mart wants to keep it's employees being it's customer base. Providing healthcare benefits only helps these employees shop elsewhere. Wal-Mart will find a way arond this. Wal-Mart will find a way to protect it's customer base. They are very good at playing on the edges of the rule and winning in business. I'm sure they'll succeed again, it's what they do.

    Wal-Mart is not the problem, only the symptom. Spending time and money attacking the symptom and not the problem is a waste of resources and neither time nor money well spent. But it does alleviate a lot of people's guilt by the sounds of this board.

    it doesn't alleviate shit...it's just a step.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I agree, they can but so many aren't even aware of what walmart does and how they operate. I've surprised more people than I can count with facts about walmarts policy towards employees. that is real...these people didn't have a clue about it.
    And this law does nothing to educate the consumer. In fact it allows the taxpayer to feel no guilt in shopping at Wal-Mart in the future. It only makes the actual problem worse.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hahahaha......there it is. That's what I was waiting for. And then what happens when this becomes a federal law?


    when the citizens start becoming the first priority over corporations, I see a lot of good happening. you don't agree...I already know.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so, by 'fuck this law' you mean to hold your gun to the maryland taxpayers heads to pay for health care instead of Wal-Mart, a multi-billion $ company (whose profit comes from their cheap labor costs)??

    Certainly not. I just want the state of Maryland to admit that its "right to healthcare" doesn't in fact grow on trees, and they're very afraid to admit it.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    when the citizens start becoming the first priority over corporations, I see a lot of good happening. you don't agree...I already know.

    I do agree! Citizens are far more important than corporations.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    surferdude wrote:
    And this law does nothing to educate the consumer. In fact it allows the taxpayer to feel no guilt in shopping at Wal-Mart in the future. It only makes the actual problem worse.

    how do you suggest we go about educating people about walmart apart form what we are already doing? i mean something that will actually work on a large scale.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Maryland's unemployment has dropped to 4.2% from 5.2 in Jan.

    Ever hear of summer time?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I do agree! Citizens are far more important than corporations.

    cool beans!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ever hear of summer time?

    it's already a low stat.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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