I can see your points but where I disagree is that I feel like anytime Wal-Mart gets punished it's a good thing. Secondly, taxing corporations is a good thing to, but again this is where we disagree.
That's cool. But the fact that you see this primarily as "punishment" should tell you everything you need to know about this law. It sets a very ugly precedent in this country, and the next time this happens it may not be on a target so attractive to you as Wal-Mart.
From an outside observer, it seems that all this law is doing is equalling the playing field. If businesses in Maryland are like businesses here in Ontario, I'm sure that most employers in Maryland offer some sort of health benefits to their employees. I'm just hypothesizing here, but maybe the average amount spent on health benefits among companies that give a shit about their employees is around 8% of the payroll of a typical Maryland business. Forcing Wal Mart to treat their employees as human beings is a good thing in my opinion. However, if the concensus of other businesses in Maryland is to not offer these benefits, then I would say that this law is unfair. I don't know enough about business practises in Maryland to say with conviction that this law is just or not. Wal Mart should be doing this on their own accord anyway. Respectable companies offer good benefits to their employees. They don't sell out the people who make them their money just so they can sell a 5 pound jar of pickels for 1.98.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
From an outside observer, it seems that all this law is doing is equalling the playing field.
How can a law the applies to only one business be equated to "equalling the playing field"????
If businesses in Maryland are like businesses here in Ontario, I'm sure that most employers in Maryland offer some sort of health benefits to their employees. I'm just hypothesizing here, but maybe the average amount spent on health benefits among companies that give a shit about their employees is around 8% of the payroll of a typical Maryland business. Forcing Wal Mart to treat their employees as human beings is a good thing in my opinion. However, if the concensus of other businesses in Maryland is to not offer these benefits, then I would say that this law is unfair. I don't know enough about business practises in Maryland to say with conviction that this law is just or not. Wal Mart should be doing this on their own accord anyway. Respectable companies offer good benefits to their employees. They don't sell out the people who make them their money just so they can sell a 5 pound jar of pickels for 1.98.
Most Maryland businesses do offer health benefits, but are free not to (except for Wal-Mart of course).
As a business owner, I can tell you that the 8% number is very low, even for the average business. My employees' health care packages cost about 30% of my payroll.
That seems strange since it wasn't the only thing on the list.
strange? i copied and pasted your whole list...didn't you read my entire post? granted i edited it...but i last edited a full 4 min before you replied to it
That said, you're correct. I'm not sympathetic. I don't base my political opinions off of pity or sympathy.
i think politics has a lot to do w/ it's citizens
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
That seems strange since it wasn't the only thing on the list.
That said, you're correct. I'm not sympathetic. I don't base my political opinions off of pity or sympathy.
What about empathy, or understanding of the near-caste system we have here in the United States. Yes a few poor can make it out, but our class system has never been so strong as it is today, and that's messed up.
strange? i copied and pasted your whole list...didn't you read my entire post? granted i edited it...but i last edited a full 4 min before you replied to it
You pasted the whole list, but then pretended that there was only one item on it in your statment.
i think politics has a lot to do w/ it's citizens
Politics has everything to do with it's citizens....all of them. Interesting that you would equate citizens with sympathy and pity.
What about empathy, or understanding of the near-caste system we have here in the United States. Yes a few poor can make it out, but our class system has never been so strong as it is today, and that's messed up.
the capitalist system guarantees that only a few can rise above or else it wouldn't work.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You seem to imply that the only thing standing between Wal-Mart employees and starvation is their job at Wal-Mart. Since we can't allow anyone to starve, let's just force Wal-Mart to employ everyone.
You seem to imply that the only thing standing between Wal-Mart employees and starvation is their job at Wal-Mart. Since we can't allow anyone to starve, let's just force Wal-Mart to employ everyone.
go ahead and pretend that there are so many options for these folks...i prefer to work with the reality of a situation. the reality is this system is failing far too many.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You seem to imply that the only thing standing between Wal-Mart employees and starvation is their job at Wal-Mart. Since we can't allow anyone to starve, let's just force Wal-Mart to employ everyone.
are you implying that we should let people starve? this goes back to my first question, do you not care about other human beings?
What about empathy, or understanding of the near-caste system we have here in the United States.
Empathy I can get on board with. I certainly empathize with Wal-Mart workers. That's why I don't shop at Wal-Mart. That's why I deliberately sought two employees from there.
Yes a few poor can make it out, but our class system has never been so strong as it is today, and that's messed up.
This is certainly not true. Our class system is much less strong that it was 150 years ago and 100 years ago and 50 years ago. We have much work to do, but to pretend that 2006 is the strongest point of the American class system is silly. Furthermore, don't you understand that it's laws like this, targetting a subset of the whole, that extend from the logic of classes as castes???
go ahead and pretend that there are so many options for these folks...i prefer to work with the reality of a situation. the reality is this system is failing far too many.
the crazy thing is that this system is failing the poor everywhere...China, Japan, Argentina (twice), Chile, US, Canada, Germany, Great Britain
go ahead and pretend that there are so many options for these folks...i prefer to work with the reality of a situation. the reality is this system is failing far too many.
Go ahead and pretend this is a response to my statement and/or my question.
You pasted the whole list, but then pretended that there was only one item on it in your statment.
i...what? i posted them all but pretened there was only 1....? i didn't post them in the invisible font.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Empathy I can get on board with. I certainly empathize with Wal-Mart workers. That's why I don't shop at Wal-Mart. That's why I deliberately sought two employees from there.
This is certainly not true. Our class system is much less strong that it was 150 years ago and 100 years ago and 50 years ago. We have much work to do, but to pretend that 2006 is the strongest point of the American class system is silly. Furthermore, don't you understand that it's laws like this, targetting a subset of the whole, that extend from the logic of classes as castes???
I'm glad you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart, not everyone is that lucky.
The class system is certainly stronger now than it was 30 years ago...there is clear evidence of this (for numbers etc. see: Harvey, 2006; Grossberg, 2005; Giroux, 2005). Yes this law works from that logic, a logic that is in place today, but it at least works to break it down.
the crazy thing is that this system is failing the poor everywhere...China, Japan, Argentina (twice), Chile, US, Canada, Germany, Great Britain
privitization of a country's resources and utilities has failed in every single instance
we have grown accustomed to our lifestyle which is off the backs of the rest of the world. our consumption is mindblowing in comparison to other countries and that is unsustainable
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
And what you propose seems to allow no one to rise above.
it's not that no one can rise above, but i think there is a such thing as too much...ideally we'd all start as children at $0 and earn everything we get, and then our children would start at $0. This way schooling, standards of living, etc. would exactly be a result of what the individual did during their life.
I'm glad you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart, not everyone is that lucky.
I'm not lucky. I earned what I have.
The class system is certainly stronger now than it was 30 years ago...
Perhaps, though I think many African Americans and many women would certainly disagree with you.
there is clear evidence of this (for numbers etc. see: Harvey, 2006; Grossberg, 2005; Giroux, 2005). Yes this law works from that logic, a logic that is in place today, but it at least works to break it down.
You cannot break down something by resorting to its tactics. You can't make peace with bombs.
I'm glad you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart, not everyone is that lucky.
The class system is certainly stronger now than it was 30 years ago...there is clear evidence of this (for numbers etc. see: Harvey, 2006; Grossberg, 2005; Giroux, 2005). Yes this law works from that logic, a logic that is in place today, but it at least works to break it down.
Sorry but everyone can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart. My morals and principals are not for sale. Shopping at Wal-Mart only buys misery for others.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
it's not that no one can rise above, but i think there is a such thing as too much...ideally we'd all start as children at $0 and earn everything we get, and then our children would start at $0. This way schooling, standards of living, etc. would exactly be a result of what the individual did during their life.
Ok! Now, how does the state targeting a single corporation, a single set of consumers, a single set of employees fit into this picture where everything is earned???? What did the benefactors of this policy do to earn the right to rob Wal-Mart alone?
I disagree...more opportunies can equal more sucess.
Ah...more opportunities for employment you mean? How many companies do you think will beating down Maryland's door to get in with laws like this in place?
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That's cool. But the fact that you see this primarily as "punishment" should tell you everything you need to know about this law. It sets a very ugly precedent in this country, and the next time this happens it may not be on a target so attractive to you as Wal-Mart.
So why don't you pass a law that forces Wal-Mart to employ everyone?
That seems strange since it wasn't the only thing on the list.
That said, you're correct. I'm not sympathetic. I don't base my political opinions off of pity or sympathy.
How can a law the applies to only one business be equated to "equalling the playing field"????
Most Maryland businesses do offer health benefits, but are free not to (except for Wal-Mart of course).
As a business owner, I can tell you that the 8% number is very low, even for the average business. My employees' health care packages cost about 30% of my payroll.
strange? i copied and pasted your whole list...didn't you read my entire post? granted i edited it...but i last edited a full 4 min before you replied to it
i think politics has a lot to do w/ it's citizens
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
What about empathy, or understanding of the near-caste system we have here in the United States. Yes a few poor can make it out, but our class system has never been so strong as it is today, and that's messed up.
why would I do that?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You pasted the whole list, but then pretended that there was only one item on it in your statment.
Politics has everything to do with it's citizens....all of them. Interesting that you would equate citizens with sympathy and pity.
the capitalist system guarantees that only a few can rise above or else it wouldn't work.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You seem to imply that the only thing standing between Wal-Mart employees and starvation is their job at Wal-Mart. Since we can't allow anyone to starve, let's just force Wal-Mart to employ everyone.
no, that would be you....we call it justice
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
go ahead and pretend that there are so many options for these folks...i prefer to work with the reality of a situation. the reality is this system is failing far too many.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Empathy I can get on board with. I certainly empathize with Wal-Mart workers. That's why I don't shop at Wal-Mart. That's why I deliberately sought two employees from there.
This is certainly not true. Our class system is much less strong that it was 150 years ago and 100 years ago and 50 years ago. We have much work to do, but to pretend that 2006 is the strongest point of the American class system is silly. Furthermore, don't you understand that it's laws like this, targetting a subset of the whole, that extend from the logic of classes as castes???
No, I'm implying the exact opposite.
Go ahead and pretend this is a response to my statement and/or my question.
i...what? i posted them all but pretened there was only 1....? i didn't post them in the invisible font.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm glad you can afford to not shop at Wal-Mart, not everyone is that lucky.
The class system is certainly stronger now than it was 30 years ago...there is clear evidence of this (for numbers etc. see: Harvey, 2006; Grossberg, 2005; Giroux, 2005). Yes this law works from that logic, a logic that is in place today, but it at least works to break it down.
And what you propose seems to allow no one to rise above.
No. I said:
"I'm not sympathetic. I don't base my political opinions off of pity or sympathy"
to which your cohort said:
"i think politics has a lot to do w/ it's citizens"
Did I misunderstand?
You call what justice? Your feelings???
privitization of a country's resources and utilities has failed in every single instance
we have grown accustomed to our lifestyle which is off the backs of the rest of the world. our consumption is mindblowing in comparison to other countries and that is unsustainable
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm not lucky. I earned what I have.
Perhaps, though I think many African Americans and many women would certainly disagree with you.
You cannot break down something by resorting to its tactics. You can't make peace with bombs.
i'm not going to bother answering ridiculous questions.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I disagree...more opportunies can equal more sucess.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ok! Now, how does the state targeting a single corporation, a single set of consumers, a single set of employees fit into this picture where everything is earned???? What did the benefactors of this policy do to earn the right to rob Wal-Mart alone?
Ah...more opportunities for employment you mean? How many companies do you think will beating down Maryland's door to get in with laws like this in place?