Do you believe in fate?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I think it's more loosely associated with our daily thoughts and actions that can be directly realized. It is however present, and by design.

It exists, we just can't put our finger on it and say "look there it is...see I told you"

my 2c

Do you think it's that we can't say, "look there it is...see I told you" as it is happening? Because I would recognize it in the absence of other explanation after the fact, but while it's happening maybe not so much. Although there are times when as something is happening I would instantly go with fate. But I'm wondering if that's just my lazy brain.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I am a strong proponent of the mind body connection tied in with evolution. I believe we are not ultimately and immediately married to a fated disposition.

It's like swimming upstream. Life to me is like that from start to finish.

However that is a very subjective statement limited to my own personal experience. I by no means can speak for anyone but myself and my own roll of the dice so to speak. No two people are alike.

I would share that view I think Roland, that we are not ultimately and immediately married to a fated disposition. I believe that some things seem to be fate but I don't believe that my whole life from cradle to grave is fated.

Jeanie wrote:

I would share that view I think Roland, that we are not ultimately and immediately married to a fated disposition. I believe that some things seem to be fate but I don't believe that my whole life from cradle to grave is fated.

::::jeanie, I think that is called our destiny::::
“Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny!
I DON'T KNOW WHO quoteD THAT BUT IT MAKES SENCE TO ME !

Jeanie wrote:

So does this mean that we subscribe to free will or not?

I get so confused by all this talk!

i believe that at the present moment... the way we all see things, the way they are and what it has lead us to are things beyond us. like a hurricane that drives you out of your home, in that same sense there is like others would call "the laws of the universe" that lead us to the circumstances in which we are in, whatever it may be. but ultimately not everything is "fated" cause what the "universe" puts before our hands is ultimately up to us to decide what we can, should or will to do.

i understand that there are things that surpass our very own will.... but in the end it rests in our hands to do what is best in our interest, or for our benefit.

deadnothingbetter wrote:

i believe that at the present moment... the way we all see things, the way they are and what it has lead us to are things beyond us. like a hurricane that drives you out of your home, in that same sense there is like others would call "the laws of the universe" that lead us to the circumstances in which we are in, whatever it may be. but ultimately not everything is "fated" cause what the "universe" puts before our hands is ultimately up to us to decide what we can, should or will to do.

i understand that there are things that surpass our very own will.... but in the end it rests in our hands to do what is best in our interest, or for our benefit.

Ok well I believe that some of those things are beyond us, for instance the Boxing Day Tsunami, was beyond us, it was a force of nature. But there was another last week in Java and I have to wonder at the timing of it given that it was only a day or so after the Russians "testing" their new bomb. I often wonder at what is beyond us and what will actually have a cause that perhaps we are unaware of. For those people that were there for the Boxing Day Tsunami, yes, I think it was probably fate that led them to be there at the time and well beyond their control, however those that survived do have choices, to some degree, about how they live now. But I also agree with my interpretation of something that Ahnimus said, I'm not sure if it was on this thread or not, but the general gist of it, by my understanding, is that people do what they know at the time. So if you don't know, aren't privy to the mental acumen or the financial backing, you can only do what you know. Just as there are only so many responses and choices that a person can make about disease. So ultimately, yes we can make choices but sometimes they are not really choices. Only a choice about which of several bad options to take.