Creation Museum Misrepresents Science

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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    gue_barium wrote:
    Want some?

    I prefer a little Yuengling on a Tuesday night.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It is incompatible, if you really understand what free-will is.

    Ok, then explain it to me. How can you violate the laws of physics with free-will?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    69charger wrote:
    Ok, then explain it to me. How can you violate the laws of physics with free-will?

    Because free-will by definition is; the ability of humans to choose independent of physical or divine determinants.

    "I don’t believe in the freedom of the will. Schopenhauer’s saying, that a human can very well do what he wants, but cannot will what he wants, accompanies me in all of life’s circumstances and reconciles me with the actions of humans, even when they are truly distressing. This knowledge of the non-freedom of the will protects me from losing my good humor and taking much too seriously myself and my fellow humans as acting and judging individuals." - Albert Einstein
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    This is the kind of liberal horseshit that I can't stand. Liberals assume that NO ONE has ever had the great thoughts they have and THAT'S why their ideas have never been put into action.

    To assume that you're the first person to put forth your view of God ignores 10,000 years of human history. You are not the first and your views came to you from somewhere.

    Belief in God does not exist in a vacuum. If you had been born in a society that had no belief in anything spiritual, you would not be aware of God. To say otherwise is to assume that you would be the first person in the world to have discovered God. That is incredibly arrogant.

    it does not say anything like that in the least. my ideas are of my own and came from my experiences and from friends. it was not a result of religion. it was a result of a personal, spiritual experience i had where i felt god in my life and formed an instantaneous and personal connection with it. i never claimed to have "invented" god. i simply said my conception of him was not influenced by any religions... it was influenced solely by the deeply personal experience i had. perhaps it is similar to other religious ideas other people have had, but i don't know what they are and still don't. perhaps if you dig up a religion that jives with the concept i have of god, ill join up.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Religion has informed your view that there is a God though. Despite the differences, if religion had never existed, chances are you wouldn't believe in any god.

    This is like the old slavery question: "if you lived in the south in the early 1800s would you have supported slavery?" Everyone wants to answer no but realistically they know that they would have supported slavery because of that society's acceptance of it.

    In the same way, you want to say that you've come to your own conclusions about God but realistically, you know that the society (heavily influenced by Christianity) around you informed you of His existence, not any individual action of your own.

    Essentially, whatever you believe is an offshoot religion of itself which attracts followers through your very words. Unwittingly, you attempt to recruit followers by talking about your perceptions of God. All you've really managed to do is take Judeo-Christian faith and make it what you want it to be - make it what fits your perceptions. That is the development of a new religion, not a lack of religion.

    not even close to true. i rejected god specifically becos of religious experiences. i only accepted god becos of a personal spiritual experience i had that would have occurred and inspired my faith regardless of whether i had been born in america, tanzania, or the dark side of the moon. and no, i was not on drugs ;)

    also, it is not religion, it is faith. i love how nutjobs like you cannot comprehend the one without the other. i have faith. but i have no clear concept of god, what he wants, what happens after we die, no organized form of worship, or anything else. religion by definition demands community and creed. i don't have any rituals and i don't have any comrades in worship. just me and god. that is not religion. it is faith. religion is the nonsensical hocus pocus that people surround themselves with to prove their faith.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    The connection is to your original description and my reply that your god sounds like an investment banker. Even you yourself said you prefer your god to blind to his own human creations. Just like a banker, as long as the money is roilling in, he doesn't care who or what it's coming from.

    you're not making a lick of sense dude.
  • Deni
    Deni Posts: 233
    hippiemom wrote:
    I really, really, really want to go to this place. The museum itself sounds great, and the people-watching has just gotta be top notch. I bet it's a riot :D

    You know I always said that if I ever had a kid that I would homeschool that kid, and one of the things I would love to do is go to this place with my child and loudly "teach" my child how wrong everything was and LAUGH at all the dirty looks I would get as I walked through the place.

    It would have to be in Kentucky? Wouldn't it? *sighs*
    "Ideas are bulletproof." --V

    Peace and Love
    Deni
    :)
  • Deni
    Deni Posts: 233
    Ahnimus wrote:
    God created man, then the animals, right? Why did he create dinosaurs? Reminds me of that scene from Star Wars with the Jabberwakee.


    According to the Bible, God created light, the heavens, the earth, water, land, fish, mammals, birds, and man--in that order.

    In a very convenient way... it sounds like how a person might explain evolution to, say... a five year old. *shrugs*
    "Ideas are bulletproof." --V

    Peace and Love
    Deni
    :)
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Because free-will by definition is; the ability of humans to choose independent of physical or divine determinants.

    You still aren't explaining how a person can, say, violate, either laws of therodynamics through free-will.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Deni wrote:
    You know I always said that if I ever had a kid that I would homeschool that kid, and one of the things I would love to do is go to this place with my child and loudly "teach" my child how wrong everything was and LAUGH at all the dirty looks I would get as I walked through the place.

    It would have to be in Kentucky? Wouldn't it? *sighs*

    And that means you have to videotape it when you get around to having a kid. So we can all share in the glory of...the Creation Museum Kingdom. I'll even pay for your tickets.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    69charger wrote:
    You still aren't explaining how a person can, say, violate, either laws of therodynamics through free-will.

    It's the law of causation

    "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"

    Take a look at a rock. A rock will just stay in one place on it's own. If kicked it will move in the direction opposite the force that is kicking it. A rock may be seen rolling downhill due to the force of gravity. I kick rocks when walking to and from work every day. The rounder the rock, the farther it travels, this is because of less friction. Though the rock seems to randomly bounce along the road after being kicked, if one looks closely - or remembers physics class - you will see that many things determine the path of the rock.

    If the rock were ever to spontaneously jump 3 feet in the air and spin around, or instantly become a banana. Then we would say it's violating the law of conservation mass-energy.

    The point is that humans are like rocks, we do not move unless we are 'kicked' so-to-speak. If our behaviors, thoughts and dispositions were not caused, then we would be in violation of the law of conservation of mass-energy. Determinant is semi-synonymous with cause. Often it takes many determinants to make a complete cause, such as the impact force, elasticity, shape, etc.. In order for a human will to be free, it must not be caused, it must be free from physical or divine determinants. So it's not even enough to say that God gave you free-will, because that would be a divine cause. In that case, God determines what you will.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    what's not to get? creationism= fairy tales for ignorant morons. creation museum= enterprise built on lies and misinformation that makes an already dangerously dumb american public even stupider.
    is that what is said? maybe i gotta read it again....

    i dont' know crap about creationism... just so you know... so i couldn't argue for it. i dunno, am i missing something?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    haha very funny...
    i was serious though.... ;)
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    this thread sucks!
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • Deni
    Deni Posts: 233
    gue_barium wrote:
    And that means you have to videotape it when you get around to having a kid. So we can all share in the glory of...the Creation Museum Kingdom. I'll even pay for your tickets.

    ha ha ha!! :D Will do!
    "Ideas are bulletproof." --V

    Peace and Love
    Deni
    :)
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    hippiemom wrote:
    We should organize a field trip at some point .... the MT Goes To The Creation Museum! We'll all get dressed up in our Darwin fishes .... hey, wait a minute! I've got a PJ ape/man t-shirt around here somewhere, that would be just as good, wouldn't it? Oh, the fun we'd have! And with just a little bit of luck, we wouldn't wind up in custody anywhere.

    I think I'd fly over just to go! Sounds awesome. :D:D

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