Creation Museum Misrepresents Science

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Oh...now I get it...it was like a giant floating hotel, and all the animals had 24 hour womb service.... ahaa...teehee

    ba-dum-cha! i dig :)

    that was just what popped into my head. i'd like leo to expound though. i can't figure out if he's joking or something and if not im curious how noah got the feti out of their mothers and then how these feti were sustained en voyage.
  • ba-dum-cha! i dig :)

    that was just what popped into my head. i'd like leo to expound though. i can't figure out if he's joking or something and if not im curious how noah got the feti out of their mothers and then how these feti were sustained en voyage.

    I was wondering same. That's where harry potter comes in again I imagine.

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    which leads me to the question did god have a magic wand, or did he just wave his arms around in the air? lol...

    Oh man...for sure they would kick me out...I'd be saying these kinds of things out loud to the people I came with. It'd be a riot, I can only imagine the looks and comments I would get. I would have to film it and post it on youtube.
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  • i don't get it.

    i don't get the article and i don't get the people arguing against the article.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Religious or not, does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's ark is 100% accurate?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i don't get it.

    i don't get the article and i don't get the people arguing against the article.

    what's not to get? creationism= fairy tales for ignorant morons. creation museum= enterprise built on lies and misinformation that makes an already dangerously dumb american public even stupider.
  • i don't get it.

    i don't get the article and i don't get the people arguing against the article.

    haha very funny...
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  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    The Creation Museum misrepresents science?!? Whatter ya gonna tell me next? Water is wet?
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I saw one of those Darwin fishes just yesterday, and gave the driver a nod as I went by.

    Seriously though...I'm going to have to do this now at some point :D

    Everyone would be all quiet and serious...going ooo and ahhh...saying "oh my gosh!" The employee guide dudes would be giving their "this is how it really is folks" speeches (oh...I so hope they have that!), and I'd be busting out in tears in the background soaking up the "ambiance" lol

    Just thinking about it now...I can't wait! :D
    We should organize a field trip at some point .... the MT Goes To The Creation Museum! We'll all get dressed up in our Darwin fishes .... hey, wait a minute! I've got a PJ ape/man t-shirt around here somewhere, that would be just as good, wouldn't it? Oh, the fun we'd have! And with just a little bit of luck, we wouldn't wind up in custody anywhere.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Here's a little constructive criticism for the Christians out there...
    Faith.. is FAITH. There is no proof needed... there is no right or wrong. Faith belong to you... it is personal. Faith is a good thing to possess.
    Trying to come up with this really lame ass counter arguement to science with this... lack of a better term... moronic dinosaurs and Jesus thing... well, you end up losing points with that shit.
    If you believe in God... that Jesus is your own PERSONAL saviour... you don't need to prove it to anyone... or make counter claims to science. Science is not Faith and vice-versa.
    ...
    And remember... just because it works for you, doesn't mean it'll work for me. Let me have my faith... my belief... even if I believe in nothing. You may believe I need to be saved... I don't. Focus on saving yourself.
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder what kind of weapon would be needed to kill a T-Rex.

    Why the .577 Tyrannosaur of course! ;)

    http://www.accuratereloading.com/577tyr.html

    Check out the recoil!

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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Here's a little constructive criticism for the Christians out there...
    Faith.. is FAITH. There is no proof needed... there is no right or wrong. Faith belong to you... it is personal. Faith is a good thing to possess.
    Trying to come up with this really lame ass counter arguement to science with this... lack of a better term... moronic dinosaurs and Jesus thing... well, you end up losing points with that shit.
    If you believe in God... that Jesus is your own PERSONAL saviour... you don't need to prove it to anyone... or make counter claims to science. Science is not Faith and vice-versa.
    ...
    And remember... just because it works for you, doesn't mean it'll work for me. Let me have my faith... my belief... even if I believe in nothing. You may believe I need to be saved... I don't. Focus on saving yourself.

    By the sound of your theology, it seems you have Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Baptists visiting your door daily. I don't see why you're so opposed to hearing people's religious views.

    Around my atheist friends, I rarely broach religious topics because it's not my mission to convert them. I don't know who the hell you're hanging out with but maybe you need to find new friend that aren't hellbent on converting you.
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  • 69charger wrote:

    That last guy nailed it.

    That's a sick rifle...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    By the sound of your theology, it seems you have Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Baptists visiting your door daily. I don't see why you're so opposed to hearing people's religious views.

    Around my atheist friends, I rarely broach religious topics because it's not my mission to convert them. I don't know who the hell you're hanging out with but maybe you need to find new friend that aren't hellbent on converting you.
    ...
    Oh, I don't mind hearing other people's religious views... I just don't feel that their religion is for me. Especially when they bring up the arguments that their religion is the right religion... thus, nullifying the others.
    As for my theology... it's a belief in God... not religion. I love the teaching of Christ... although, I'm not so sure on a of that resurrection stuff and Him coming back to kick our asses. My theology says that God loves us all... whatever we believe in... whatever Man authored Holy Scriptures Man abides by. My theology tells me God ain't so petty to choose which ones of us He loves most, based upon our claims that we worship Him the best.
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  • hippiemom wrote:
    We should organize a field trip at some point .... the MT Goes To The Creation Museum! We'll all get dressed up in our Darwin fishes .... hey, wait a minute! I've got a PJ ape/man t-shirt around here somewhere, that would be just as good, wouldn't it? Oh, the fun we'd have! And with just a little bit of luck, we wouldn't wind up in custody anywhere.

    lol I can see it now. We would raise a lot of eyebrows from staff and get a lot of leery stares, but we'd all hang in there until the glorious end, cheeks all rosy and sore...eyes misty....stomachs clenched to the poinf of exhaustion ( a little literary leeway was due here :D ) It would slip out that the Pearl Jam crowd had made a mockery of the whacknut house, and a representative of said whacknut house would sign up here just to flame us and lodge a formal complaint against all us Godless Pearl Jam heathens... lol...

    Man...it's just keeps getting better any way I look at it. :D
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    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Religion and certain scientific foundations are in direct conflict. I know some say that they are compatible, but let me state my case.

    The law of conservation mass-energy.
    Though I'm not a physicist, it appears to me that this law is violated by the philosophy of Christianity. By this law, matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be converted or changed. This is an important law because things like rollercoasters and everything else depend on it being true.

    The implication is that matter/energy cannot be acausal or contra-causal or anything but causal. It can't pop in and out of existence or spontaneously morph into something else.

    Consciousness
    The nature of consciousness as studied through the methods of science suggests a different perspective than an authorship. It seems to me that various parts of the brain are responsible for different coding and decoding of information and specific parts are responsible for a conscious experience. Whether they project to an executive region in the frontal lobe is not known (while some certainly do). But damage to them does cause a loss of consciousness based on the specific purpose of the region. For example, damaging your visual cortex will cause a loss of visual consciousness. Like-wise; hearing, taste, smell, touch and cognitive processes can be compromised in specific areas of the brain. Other conditions like phantom limbs, blindsight, synesthesia, aphasia and autism suggest that nothing in our consciousness or brain violates the law of conservation mass-energy.

    Christianity suggests that the law of science is violated many times. Mostly by God. But then there is human free-will, the staple of the entire doctrine. In order for God to hold a person morally responsible and decide their fate, they need to have the freedom to choose their destiny. Or at least that is the premise. Free-will is incompatible with science and ergo Christianity is as well. In order to have a free-will, we'd need to break the law.

    But, nobody ever powered a city by rubbing the pages of the Bible together.... so I'm siding with science.
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Free-will is incompatible with science and ergo Christianity is as well. In order to have a free-will, we'd need to break the law.

    I agree with your post except for this line. You cannot break the fundamental laws of nature with free-will. I can't undo gravitational forces by simply ignoring them. I can, however, ignore God's law.
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Christianity suggests that the law of science is violated many times. Mostly by God.

    Well he is God, so technically he can do whatever he wants (including dividing by 0).
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Free-will is incompatible with science and ergo Christianity is as well. In order to have a free-will, we'd need to break the law.

    If this was true, there would be no believing scientist.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why aren't there Kangaroo's in Israel?

    cause the indigenous australians went on a hunting trip to the middle east one day long long ago and rounded them all up and bought them home to terra australis before the level of the seas rose. together with every other animal that is now considered uniquely australian, including the only two egg laying mammals in the world. ;):)
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  • Kann wrote:
    If this was true, there would be no believing scientist.

    Easily explained...it's like white guys who pretend they are black gangsta hoodies
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Easily explained...it's like white guys who pretend they are black gangsta hoodies

    So the reciprocal of the "Wigger" would be Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air?

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I don't mind hearing other people's religious views... I just don't feel that their religion is for me. Especially when they bring up the arguments that their religion is the right religion... thus, nullifying the others.
    As for my theology... it's a belief in God... not religion. I love the teaching of Christ... although, I'm not so sure on a of that resurrection stuff and Him coming back to kick our asses. My theology says that God loves us all... whatever we believe in... whatever Man authored Holy Scriptures Man abides by. My theology tells me God ain't so petty to choose which ones of us He loves most, based upon our claims that we worship Him the best.

    Sounds like God is an International Banker.

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  • The dinosaurs were all tiny...like wee little mice. I suppose Noah could run around snapping up spare dino eggies...but what the heck did everyone else do to keep T-rex at bay the rest of the time? Amazing how they could just live out in the open like that like a big ol happy Jurassic park and not bother to mention it anywhere in the new or old testament.

    A 6 ton 40 foot tall lizard with a mouthful of 9 inch fangs chasing you around all day bears no mention...seems normal....pretty casual in reality I suppose. I imagine everyones thatch roofs must have been a lot stronger then...all those simple clay and mud huts with grass roofs...astonishing how they kept out all the dinosaurs so perfectly as to not even be worth mentioning.

    http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/dinosark.html
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    The dinosaurs were all tiny...like wee little mice. I suppose Noah could run around snapping up spare dino eggies...but what the heck did everyone else do to keep T-rex at bay the rest of the time? Amazing how they could just live out in the open like that like a big ol happy Jurassic park and not bother to mention it anywhere in the new or old testament.

    A 6 ton 40 foot tall lizard with a mouthful of 9 inch fangs chasing you around all day bears no mention...seems normal....pretty casual in reality I suppose. I imagine everyones thatch roofs must have been a lot stronger then...all those simple clay and mud huts with grass roofs...astonishing how they kept out all the dinosaurs so perfectly as to not even be worth mentioning.

    http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/dinosark.html

    I kid you not. I asked a 'creationist' about dinosaur fossils and she said, "How do you know they aren't just huge dog bones?". That's when I stopped arguing with her.
  • Cosmo wrote:
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    Oh, I don't mind hearing other people's religious views... I just don't feel that their religion is for me. Especially when they bring up the arguments that their religion is the right religion... thus, nullifying the others.
    As for my theology... it's a belief in God... not religion. I love the teaching of Christ... although, I'm not so sure on a of that resurrection stuff and Him coming back to kick our asses. My theology says that God loves us all... whatever we believe in... whatever Man authored Holy Scriptures Man abides by. My theology tells me God ain't so petty to choose which ones of us He loves most, based upon our claims that we worship Him the best.

    You're still drawing from religious traditions in your beliefs. Belief in the type of God you are talking about is still very traditional even if you don't buy all of Christianity.

    You owe much to religion if you sincerely believe in God because religion passed that teaching on to you. It's not like you came up with it one day in a moment of illumination. "Oh, huh, you know? I bet you there's this powerful, mystical force that created the universe and it might even have an effect on our daily lives too." Belief in God has been developed over time.

    So yes, you do owe something to the religions that passed belief in God along to you, whether you agree with those religions or not. Picking and choosing from the religious buffet is no less religious than buying into just one of them.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Ahnimus wrote:
    But then there is human free-will, the staple of the entire doctrine. In order for God to hold a person morally responsible and decide their fate, they need to have the freedom to choose their destiny. Or at least that is the premise. Free-will is incompatible with science and ergo Christianity is as well. In order to have a free-will, we'd need to break the law.

    there are some in Christianity who dont' believe in free will, a 5 point calvinist does not believe in free will and they do not choose their fate, rather it is chosen for them. And if you're looking for consensus amongst all christians on the topic of free will you will never get it.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    You're still drawing from religious traditions in your beliefs. Belief in the type of God you are talking about is still very traditional even if you don't buy all of Christianity.

    You owe much to religion if you sincerely believe in God because religion passed that teaching on to you. It's not like you came up with it one day in a moment of illumination. "Oh, huh, you know? I bet you there's this powerful, mystical force that created the universe and it might even have an effect on our daily lives too." Belief in God has been developed over time.

    So yes, you do owe something to the religions that passed belief in God along to you, whether you agree with those religions or not. Picking and choosing from the religious buffet is no less religious than buying into just one of them.

    actually i did just come up with something similar to that one day in a moment of illumination. and i have never picked or chosen anything from any religion with respect to my beliefs in god.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    ba-dum-cha! i dig :)

    that was just what popped into my head. i'd like leo to expound though. i can't figure out if he's joking or something and if not im curious how noah got the feti out of their mothers and then how these feti were sustained en voyage.

    Pure joking.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    69charger wrote:

    Gun control killed the dinosaurs. If the dinos had been allowed guns, they'd have been able to fire back and save their species.
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  • and i have never picked or chosen anything from any religion with respect to my beliefs in god.

    This is the kind of liberal horseshit that I can't stand. Liberals assume that NO ONE has ever had the great thoughts they have and THAT'S why their ideas have never been put into action.

    To assume that you're the first person to put forth your view of God ignores 10,000 years of human history. You are not the first and your views came to you from somewhere.

    Belief in God does not exist in a vacuum. If you had been born in a society that had no belief in anything spiritual, you would not be aware of God. To say otherwise is to assume that you would be the first person in the world to have discovered God. That is incredibly arrogant.
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