R.I.P Saddam Hussein

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    but if someone kills your family in front of you, would you be a murderer to kill them in self defense...

    In that situation, no. I wouldn't say that they were.
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm not sure I understand your logic. Bombs and wars have caused a lot more death and destruction than capital punishment ever has.

    Bombs and wars have solved more problems than capital punishment ever has.

    Nazism was stopped, for example, by bombs and wars.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Skitch Patterson wrote:
    i cant believe you actually edited to remove "the sheep nonsense".
    Telling someone they cant think for themselves is equally as childish as "saddam apologist"
    I'm not overly fond of the sheep part, either, however for the purposes of my point in this context, it did not echo my sentiments.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Your confusing someone defending themselves or their family with capital punishment. There is no comparison.

    I agree that those are two different things. If you go back and read my post, I was specifically responding to his 2nd sentence. He was very clear, and very black & white.

    Thanks for clarifying, Skitch.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Bombs and wars have solved more problems than capital punishment ever has.

    Nazism was stopped, for example, by bombs and wars.

    And Nazism was begun with the guns and bombs of the first world war, and so on, ad infintum.
    There seems to be something of a pattern to this war business doesn't there.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    How can we say Saddam is wrong for killing?

    so, he's should be allowed to kill?
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    It is wrong to kill him as punishment for killing.

    and if he's allowed to kill, we're not?
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Any capital punishment is wrong.

    Except when committed by Saddam? Because he grew up on the streets or something?

    bye bye bad man. hang in peace.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And Nazism was begun with the guns and bombs of the first world war, and so on, ad infintum.
    There seems to be something of a pattern to this war business doesn't there.

    If the U.S. decided to get rid of its military, war would not cease because of that.

    We need a military and sometimes we need to fight wars to maintain our liberty.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    If the U.S. decided to get rid of its military, war would not cease because of that.

    We need a military and sometimes we need to fight wars to maintain our liberty.

    That does seem to be the case.
    And i'd say that despite this, we also need people who oppose wars and corrupt Governments, in order to attempt to prevent the world from descending into chaos, and to reign in whatever atavistic tendencies are responsible for fueling these things.
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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Bombs and wars have solved more problems than capital punishment ever has.

    Nazism was stopped, for example, by bombs and wars.

    Bombs and wars to stop Nazism = a just cause.

    Bombs and wars to gain control of the world's third largest discovered oil reserve in the world to prevent Saddam from selling the oil to China = not such a just cause.
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    No way do I wish that Saddam rests in peace......I hope he rests in the pits of hell for all eternity.


    R.I.P. to saddam....what a joke!

    Saddam was a bad, bad, bad man. 1,000,000 times worse than our own President Bush. There are no mass graves or torture chambers in or around the White House.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aNiMaL wrote:
    No way do I wish that Saddam rests in peace......I hope he rests in the pits of hell for all eternity.


    R.I.P. to saddam....what a joke!

    Saddam was a bad, bad, bad man. 1,000,000 times worse than our own President Bush. There are no mass graves or torture chambers in or around the White House.

    He was a twisted fuck responsible for the deaths of thousands. I agree 100%.
    However, I am against the death penalty. Which means that I'm against it for everyone, not just some people.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Byrnzie wrote:
    He was a twisted fuck responsible for the deaths of thousands. I agree 100%.

    Bush is worse. He isn't a twisted fuck and he's responsible for the death of thousands. It is worse because Bush is just an idiot whose complete lack of responsibility and poor decision making has cost 3000 American (and significantly more Iraqi) lives in this made-up war. His ineptitude also cost many more lives after Hurricane Katrina. Handling a 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina somewhat respectably in one presidency could have made an average president one of the best ever. However, those events also showed that when a retard is president, it could start a downward spiral where Americans rejoice over the hanging of a dictator who was created by the same people that took him out.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    NMyTree wrote:
    I didn't say you were a mindless sheep or a bad person. Truth is there are just as many "mindless sheep" in the overly-Liberal/PC camp, as there are on any of the other sides.

    I'm asking what the difference is between Saddam's regime and his actions, and the actions of American leaders and the CIA ....in general terms. Not just this current Iraq war, but historically and through policies and actions, how are our American leaders better, different.....more justified?

    Has anyone on this board ever been killed for speaking out against their leaders? Do we elect our President every four years? Because of the answers to these two questions this is why our leaders are better and our policies are better. How can you possibly truly believe that historically our leaders have been the same as someone such as Saddam? I think you are letting your emotions cloud your thinking.
    And one more question. Have you ever seen a president pick out people who spoke against him during the process of being elected and then have them killed such as Saddam did?
    Our countries leaders and policies has made this the most powerful and relied upon country in the world. This is why our policies and actions are better and more justified.
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  • NMyTree
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    MakingWaves wrote:
    Has anyone on this board ever been killed for speaking out against their leaders? Do we elect our President every four years? Because of the answers to these two questions this is why our leaders are better and our policies are better.

    Okay, good points.

    But if you re-read my post you'll notice that I wasn't speaking of just George Bush Jr. specifically, I was speaking of the history of our leaders and it's operative divisions.

    Just because Americans aren't getting shot immediately on the spot for speaking out (although quite a few have been beaten during protests and rallies) that doesn't mean that our leaders have not commited very similar attrocities.

    Truth is, in the history of our country many have been silenced for many reasons. Just not always " in the direct, shoot them dead on the spot " manner.

    The CIA and many American Presidents, politicans and businessmen have been at the root of causing thousands upon thousand of deaths, for the purpose of furthering their agenda and protecting their investments.

    In case you haven't noticed, speaking out against this administration, over the last several years, is a risky thing to do.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MakingWaves wrote:
    Has anyone on this board ever been killed for speaking out against their leaders? Do we elect our President every four years?

    Firstly, people discussing issues on this board doesn't constitute anyone 'speaking out', to the point that it will have any bearing on those in power.
    Secondly, ticking a box once every 4 years and making a choice between two different shades of corporate shit doesn't constitute democracy.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Look at that guy who walked by and verbally cursed out Cheney, when Cheney was being interviewed out on the streets of New Orelans.

    The Secret Service grabbed him and forced him to give them his name and information. Later, they showed up at his house. And months later I read an article where the government was still harrassing that guy.

    Look at the people being thrown out of rallies because they wore a t-shirt that was not in support of Bush and his administration. You know what this kind of crap leads to? When tolerated and accepted by the masses, it leads to Saddam-like rule.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Songburst wrote:
    Bush is worse. He isn't a twisted fuck and he's responsible for the death of thousands. It is worse because Bush is just an idiot whose complete lack of responsibility and poor decision making has cost 3000 American (and significantly more Iraqi) lives in this made-up war. His ineptitude also cost many more lives after Hurricane Katrina. Handling a 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina somewhat respectably in one presidency could have made an average president one of the best ever. However, those events also showed that when a retard is president, it could start a downward spiral where Americans rejoice over the hanging of a dictator who was created by the same people that took him out.

    Well said.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Songburst wrote:
    Bush is worse. He isn't a twisted fuck and he's responsible for the death of thousands. It is worse because Bush is just an idiot whose complete lack of responsibility and poor decision making has cost 3000 American (and significantly more Iraqi) lives in this made-up war. His ineptitude also cost many more lives after Hurricane Katrina. Handling a 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina somewhat respectably in one presidency could have made an average president one of the best ever. However, those events also showed that when a retard is president, it could start a downward spiral where Americans rejoice over the hanging of a dictator who was created by the same people that took him out.
    I concur. Well stated.

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